base talk Are non-American artists in a disadvantaged position?

[AvadaKedavra]

With the years i been noticing how The American Machine-Industry is always prioritizing their own born-artists
Theyre always pushing them and they have larger chances of havin longevity
They have the biggest money machine in the planet behind them. Their own country



 






But international artists have it so much harder to smash in the States and keep their longevity cause theyre not born there
To be succcesful in the States is everything for your career cause they have control of everything
So many of these international artists get tossed to the side and then theyre dropped.
Americans like them for one era or two and then they go back to their faves from their own country. Charli should be careful
The American industry is evil with them.
So, they have to look for that european-global fanbase to keep smashing

 



 
 



As a Non-American do you feel angry about this?
Should we look for reparations? 

[Robert]

I think there's a lot of Canadian and British artists who do equally well. US is the largest Anglophone country so it's natural more of the biggest artists will be from there. 

[Radical Pessimism]

sry i know its off topic but the way these pics arent the same size is bothering me

[lonnie]

It really depends, the only international acts that have broken into the U.S. consistently (and not even them not so much) are the British. I think only Rih was the major international act of the 2010s in the U.S. which is kind of insane. Dua and Harry kind of broke through in the early 2020s, but going by numbers it doesn't seem all that easy for international acts.

[sugarysunflower]

Celine Dion? 
The Beatles?

Bob Marley?

Rihanna? 
Adele? 
One Direction? 
Oasis?

Queen?

Led Zeppelin?

Elton John?

Pink Floyd? 
ABBA?

Enya?
The Weeknd

Carly Rae Jepsen?

Justin Bieber?

Bee Gees?

Shania Twain?

B'Z?

Drake?

 

it's not impossible to not be from America but still achieve great success!

[deGonzz]

What about Justin Bieber, Rihanna, Drake, Shania Twain, Adele, Jungkook..

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, sugarysunflower said:

Celine Dion? 
The Beatles?

Bob Marley?

Rihanna? 
Adele? 
One Direction? 
Oasis?

Queen?

Led Zeppelin?

Elton John?

Pink Floyd? 
ABBA?

Enya?
The Weeknd

Carly Rae Jepsen?

Justin Bieber?

Bee Gees?

Shania Twain?

B'Z?

Drake?

 

it's not impossible to not be from America but still achieve great success!

Who is B'Z? Kind of forgot Drake isn't American

Yeah there's certainly lots more of them but it seems harder for female artists than it does male artists. Because since 2000 the major international acts to break into the market are Adele, Avril, Rihanna, probably Dua, and that's it.

[JO1s]

Non english language artists*

[AvadaKedavra]

5 minutes ago, lonnie said:

It really depends, the only international acts that have broken into the U.S. consistently (and not even them not so much) are the British. I think only Rih was the major international act of the 2010s in the U.S. which is kind of insane. Dua and Harry kind of broke through in the early 2020s, but going by numbers it doesn't seem all that easy for international acts.

Tea was served in your message 

Definitely is easier to have success if youre american 
Then a bit harder if youre Anglo from Caribbean-UK-Ireland-Aus or Canada

Then Non-Anglo Europeans (Italy-France-Germany-Balkans....) / Latinoamerican and African / Asian artists
For them is really hard to be global superstars cause they need to crossover to the USA


Im southamerican so im very angry and upset.  Give me those reparations

Edited 9 hours ago by AvadaKedavra

[JO1s]

Just now, lonnie said:

Who is B'Z? Kind of forgot Drake isn't American

Yeah there's certainly lots more of them but it seems harder for female artists than it does male artists. Because since 2000 the major international acts to break into the market are Adele, Avril, Rihanna, probably Dua, and that's it.

B'Z is a Japanese rock act from the 80s that sold like 80 million records 

[Trent W]

It depends

 

Rihanna, Blackpink and Shakira are way bigger WW than everyone in the Op except Taylor and Bey

 

Making it in the US is only important in The Us

The American centric media makes you think that you have to make it big here to be really big

 

But when you travel around the world you see a different picture 

[Popboi.]

By default yes, unless they're willing to spend most of their time promoting and basically living in US. Promoting there once in a full moon like Kylie does/did isn't enough to grab the average American attention.

[lonnie]

3 minutes ago, JO1s said:

B'Z is a Japanese rock act from the 80s that sold like 80 million records 

Yeah they seem pretty huge in Japan but did they break into the American music market?

[tost1]

10 minutes ago, sugarysunflower said:

Celine Dion? 
The Beatles?

Bob Marley?

Rihanna? 
Adele? 
One Direction? 
Oasis?

Queen?

Led Zeppelin?

Elton John?

Pink Floyd? 
ABBA?

Enya?
The Weeknd

Carly Rae Jepsen?

Justin Bieber?

Bee Gees?

Shania Twain?

B'Z?

Drake?

 

it's not impossible to not be from America but still achieve great success!

Who is B'Z?

[JO1s]

Just now, lonnie said:

Yeah they seem pretty huge in Japan but did they break into the American music market?

No, they've only charted in Japan. Though a lot of their peak was before Japanese pop culture was as global as it is now.

[lonnie]

Just now, JO1s said:

No, they've only charted in Japan. Though a lot of their peak was before Japanese pop culture was as global as it is now.

Yeah their stats seem kind of insane in Japan but they didn't break out outside that market unfortunately. That they sold that much off of one market is hella impressive though. It was near impossible for non-English speaking acts to make it in the U.S.

 

8 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Tea was served in your message 

Definitely is easier to have success if youre american 
Then a bit harder if youre Anglo from Caribbean-UK-Ireland-Aus or Canada

Then Non-Anglo Europeans (Italy-France-Germany-Balkans....) / Latinoamerican and African / Asian artists
For them is really hard to be global superstars cause they need to crossover to the USA


Im southamerican so im very angry and upset.  Give me those reparations

I think the U.K. has the most breakout acts of international artists: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Bee Gees, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Pink Floyd, Adele, Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, George Michael, Eurythmics, Oasis, Spice Girls.

Canada has: Celine, Justin Bieber, Avril Lavigne, The Weeknd, Drake

The Caribbean: Bob Marley, Rihanna

South America: Shakira only?

Oceania: Lorde at some point?

Africa: Not a single African based artist had great breakout success although Makeba and some Afro-beat singers, as well as Tyla have had hits.

 

So you're right, it's near impossible if you're not from the U.K/Canada  

[AvadaKedavra]

5 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Yeah their stats seem kind of insane in Japan but they didn't break out outside that market unfortunately. That they sold that much off of one market is hella impressive though. It was near impossible for non-English speaking acts to make it in the U.S.

 

I think the U.K. has the most breakout acts of international artists: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Bee Gees, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Pink Floyd, Adele, Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, George Michael, Eurythmics, Oasis, Spice Girls.

Canada has: Celine, Justin Bieber, Avril Lavigne, The Weeknd, Drake

The Caribbean: Bob Marley, Rihanna

South America: Shakira only?

Oceania: Lorde at some point?

Africa: Not a single African based artist had great breakout success although Makeba and some Afro-beat singers, as well as Tyla have had hits.

 

So you're right, it's near impossible if you're not from the U.K/Canada  

This is one of the reasons why Shakira crossover is such an impressive feat. Same as Blackpink-Jungkook-BTS...........smashin in the USA
From distant nations with a total different language   


And this is one of the reasons why for Tyla its gonna be real challengin to turn into an American Superstar like we all want
I visit tons of forums and so many dont wanna give her a chance cause she's african   and her amapiano-afrobeats thing is seen as too "exotic" "strange"



This is makin me real angry again. I wanna speak to the american ceos. To the whole industry
Hope theyre ready for my complains. 

  

Thank u all for supportin my controversial thread.
Sending love to you all today. Xoxo babies.
Im goin to the mall




  

[poki]

24 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Yeah their stats seem kind of insane in Japan but they didn't break out outside that market unfortunately. That they sold that much off of one market is hella impressive though. It was near impossible for non-English speaking acts to make it in the U.S.

 

I think the U.K. has the most breakout acts of international artists: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Bee Gees, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Pink Floyd, Adele, Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, George Michael, Eurythmics, Oasis, Spice Girls.

Canada has: Celine, Justin Bieber, Avril Lavigne, The Weeknd, Drake

The Caribbean: Bob Marley, Rihanna

South America: Shakira only?

Oceania: Lorde at some point?

Africa: Not a single African based artist had great breakout success although Makeba and some Afro-beat singers, as well as Tyla have had hits.

 

So you're right, it's near impossible if you're not from the U.K/Canada  

I would also like to point out that the vast majority of UK stars are from London / London's metro area. Back in the 90s it was apparently a huge deal that Melanie C was from the Liverpool area. 

[John Slayne]

i think being from a rich Anglophone country is the real privilege, but the US is the biggest and richest of them so yeah they do have an advantage. however, there are a lot of Australian and British artists who made it big WW (think Pink, Sia, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Adele, etc. and that's just this century)

 

France and Germany are both relatively big countries (with many more speakers of their respective languages outside of their countries) and big music markets yet failed to produce as many WW stars as the UK or even Canada... same goes for Japan, it's the second biggest music market but Japanese artists rarely (if ever) break into Europe or North America. 

 

the only exception to this I can think of is K-Pop 

Edited 8 hours ago by John Slayne

[NoOneDiesFromLove]

You mean artists born in non English speaking countries 

[unclefloprry]

Yep, for them it's harder to break into the US. But for some strange reason, they always end being bigger WW.

 

I mean, compare the international stats of Shakira, Dua, Adele or Rihanna with 90% of the list above

 

[shakeyourbombom]

If we are straight on this, Shakira is probably the ONLY real big superstar with zero background from Anglosphere (US, UK, Canada, Australia & NZ).

But BTS, Blackpink (Rosé, Lisa) are doing a good job too. It takes time to see whether they can solidify their status in Anglo countries.

Edited 8 hours ago by shakeyourbombom

[Azulito]

1 hour ago, John Slayne said:

i think being from a rich Anglophone country is the real privilege, but the US is the biggest and richest of them so yeah they do have an advantage. however, there are a lot of Australian and British artists who made it big WW (think Pink, Sia, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Adele, etc. and that's just this century)

 

France and Germany are both relatively big countries (with many more speakers of their respective languages outside of their countries) and big music markets yet failed to produce as many WW stars as the UK or even Canada... same goes for Japan, it's the second biggest music market but Japanese artists rarely (if ever) break into Europe or North America. 

 

the only exception to this I can think of is K-Pop 

Pink is American.

[John Slayne]

2 minutes ago, Azulito said:

Pink is American.

wait you're right, idk why i always thought she was from Australia lol 

 

maybe because she's so successful there 

[Vermouth]

1 hour ago, poki said:

I would also like to point out that the vast majority of UK stars are from London / London's metro area. Back in the 90s it was apparently a huge deal that Melanie C was from the Liverpool area. 

Hmm..

London and surrounds- Elton, Rolling Stones, Adele, George Michael, Dua, the Who,

 

Beatles - Liverpool, One Direction -All not from London, Led Zeppelin - at least half including lead singer from near Birmingham, Pink Floyd- mostly Cambridge, Freddie Mercury was from Zanzibar originally ( ie off the east coast of Africa) but was educated in the U.K.

Bee Gees- Isle of Man, Coldplay - Devon, Ed Sheeran - Suffolk , Eurythmics - Aberdeen/Sunderland, 

 

Spice Girls - two from the North three near London