celeb news Jay-Z's lawyer calls for case dismissal after accuser has many story inconsistencies

[Arrogant]

1 minute ago, swissman said:

this.

 

and in general, it seems people are confusing fans defending their fave no matter what with people who happen to be fans questioning a lawsuit that is now questionable beyond even anything Jay-Z has said to counter it. Like, he could have said nothing so far and this interview would still raise questions.

 

If we all believe she is 100% telling the truth, what does it mean when she goes on TV ahead of court proceedings to say things that are 100% confirmed to be untrue? Can we not say the odds are now at least 99% that she's not telling the truth? Especially when she's also said she might have misidentified people?!

 

Obviously it's fair that after 24 years people can misremember details, but if you're bringing up misremembered stuff it's not going to help your case, and you'd think stuff like the details of the night would have come up in any meeting with lawyers who would then, in the best interests of winning their suit, seek confirmation of these facts. A lot of research goes on in practicing law so it's just odd that certain details people are talking about now either weren't corrected before she ever went on TV, or weren't mentioned or prepared for when the client accepted an interview.

 

Either way, more real evidence needs to be put forward and if it's clear Jay is to blame, I and many, many Hive will not be on his side at all.

Exactly. If more evidence comes out to the contrary, I will follow the evidence, because above all I hate misinformation and I always want to know the truth. But what we've seen so far is damning, and I don't see how it can be explained away. The most damning is making up a conversation with a celebrity who was verifiably in another city. People are still trying to give her the benefit of the doubt because they don't want people to think they're "calling a victim a liar", but how can this be anything but a lie? At best you can say this wasn't malicious, that she's just confused or delusional. But that still means she's an unreliable witness. "She lied about this celebrity, but she's telling the truth about this celebrity" is an irrational position to take.

[on the line]

13 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

The victim here are JayZ and Beyonce, so if u care about victims, how about u redirect ur passion (but we all know that wont happen because ur a hater who is deeply jealous that Bey is as successful as she is and has her life together)

The scariest part of your reply is that you actually believe this.

[BnPac]

^ No, the scariest is that, what he says pertaining to your feelings is in fact true. 

[PoisonPill]

That interview the accuser gave to NBC was rough... Just too many inconsistencies and details that are provably false. It also is suspicious that all of these accuser lawsuits are coming from the same fame-seeking attorney in Texas. It seems like this accusation is going to fall apart pretty quickly.

[Giorgoc]

3 hours ago, BnPac said:

Jay-Z is the one who went public with this. He sued the lawyer and released a statement explaining he was asked for a private settlement for raping a 13 year old boy and girl and he doesn't want to settle, he doesn't want it to be kept private, he wants and asked the lawyer to file instead.

Wait, then how come people just assume he's guilty? If anything this makes it much more obvious that he's innocent.

[Lovett]

48 minutes ago, on the line said:

I'm not reading the rest of your paragraph when you start is out with completely false information.

Girl, we all know you read the full post. You just can't actually dispute any of it, because the whole story has fallen apart. You've been desperately wanting Beyoncé's demise for years and this isn't it, so stfu and move on. It's embarrassing.

[on the line]

8 minutes ago, BnPac said:

^ No, the scariest is that, what he says pertaining to your feelings is in fact true. 

If you're resorting to false personal attacks then you've already lost. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

 

 

[Arrogant]

15 minutes ago, on the line said:

The scariest part of your reply is that you actually believe this.

 

[on the line]

Just now, Lovett said:

Girl, we all know you read the full post. You just can't actually dispute any of it, because the whole story has fallen apart. You've been desperately wanting Beyoncé's demise for years and this isn't it, so stfu and move on. It's embarrassing.

What's embarrassing are the 15 notifications I got from you downvoting every comment I've made in the last 24 hours on this forum. Give my notifications a rest, sis!

[Arrogant]

Found this on the Music sub on Reddit:

 

Quote

I was a teenager who attended the VMAs in 2000, among other years.

The way the VMAs worked with regard to logistics was, there were bleachers set up outside radio city music hall on the avenue for the red carpet and preshow. The step and repeat/red carpet was set up so that the cars dropped off the celeb closer to the side street than the avenue.

The car then had to drive past and park so as to not hold up the rest of the arrivals. Puff's car most likely had a spot in the garage that's underneath Radio City and Rockefeller Center, which means it's completely shielded from fans and the drivers do not have to come back out into the preshow crowd.

Especially since that year MTV kept that area shut down for longer than usual because Eminem began his performance outside then made his way into Radio City. The camera blocking and prep etc meant MTV was restricting access outside and in the venue lobby. The driver wouldn't have been able to move freely. Preshow attendees and outside fans were mostly in "pens" ie barricaded sections, if they weren't on bleachers. If she was in those areas (if she even attended) then she wouldn't have been able to exit and hang around closely enough to interact with drivers.

Preshow attendees/red carpet fans directly on the venue block were all wristbanded and on lists. If you didn't have a wristband you had to be out there for hours beforehand, and were placed at least across the street if you were allowed to stick around at all. Coming up from the east side, MTV shut down sidewalk/pedestrian access for anyone without a pass, ticket or wristband the block before the venue.

It isn't impossible, but it's highly unlikely that everything aligned for this woman to not only make it past the security checkpoints, but to then interact with a driver who most likely had underground parking and could avoid the screaming NSYNC fans (the VMAs were overrun that year, it was the year they did the medley performance with the tv screens).

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Arrogant

[Lovett]

Just now, on the line said:

What's embarrassing are the 15 notifications I got from you downvoting every comment I've made in the last 24 hours on this forum. Give my notifications a rest, sis!

It was easy enough, considering they're all in this damn thread, trolling.  You don't want to be downvoted? Stop posting idiotic trolling comments in here then, it's pretty simple. It would save us both the time.

[TipToe]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Lol. I 100% thought of townhouses as mansions when I lived in NYC. What a weird thing to use as proof that someone is lying. 

 

But also, Taylor hugged a republican and the Hive lost their little beehive minds and went on ragers about how Taylor is a republican so let's stop w/ the "those atrlers" act. Nobody's buying it.

OMG are u really comparing people suggesting Taylor is a Trumpster to people calling someone a pdf and a rapist and not being ashamed to say they were always *certain* that was the case? Your fanbase is the most entitled, butthurt of ALL times. Get a grip.

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, Lovett said:

It was easy enough, considering they're all in this damn thread, trolling.  You don't want to be downvoted? Stop posting idiotic trolling comments in here then, it's pretty simple. It would save us both the time.

15 notifications in 2 minutes? You read that quickly? Yelling trolling multiple times doesn't mean it's true. I haven't even mentioned Beyonce once (until just now).

 

Maybe, just maybe, there are reasons someone might believe a victim. 

[BnPac]

5 minutes ago, Giorgoc said:

Wait, then how come people just assume he's guilty? If anything this makes it much more obvious that he's innocent.

Because of the way the information was presented and frankly because people had already decided he was guilty way before this even happened. On this very form, the maker of this thread or the title suggested the victim came forward publicly with this and he was just responding. 

[Trent W]

The way some members want this to be true so bad is scary af

 

I get being angry at the first few pages

 

But right now, still pushing the idea is sick

[Starshine]

Just now, Trent W said:

The way some members want this to be true so bad is scary af

 

I get being angry at the first few pages

 

But right now, still pushing the idea is sick

They're truly sick in the head  

[Lovett]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

15 notifications in 2 minutes? You read that quickly? Yelling trolling multiple times doesn't mean it's true. I haven't even mentioned Beyonce once (until just now).

 

Maybe, just maybe, there are reasons someone might believe a victim. 

You know my reactions are visible on my account, right?  So we can all see I haven't reacted to 15 of your comments in 2 minutes, which would surely be a sign that you are massively trolling in this thread.

 

You believe the alleged victim, because you want to use it to take down Beyoncé. You don't actually care about the victim and that's painfully obvious from your comments which are nothing more than attempts to incite fan wars. Her story has fallen apart and has gaping holes in it yet you refuse to acknowledge even a tiny bit of uncertainty. Which is very telling.

[Rigalo]

Sooooo this ended up being a big ol nothing burger? 
 

embarrassing for the Stanbases who so desperately wanted this horrible situation to be true 

Edited 2 hours ago by Rigalo

[WildHeart]

59 minutes ago, BnPac said:

No Hive member here defended rape. Actually a lot Hive members (in the base at least) initially started calling him a rapist and ask for a divorce while some remain reserved and decided to wait for the trials decision. 

Right above you post, a user called the victim liar... 

 

1 hour ago, Arrogant said:

Now OBHs trying to defend lying about rape 

 

So please stop projecting the disgusting behaviour coming out of your fanbase onto me... 

 

[family.guy123]

8 hours ago, StayFrosty said:

THIS YOU?

 

Not serving a full blown conspiracy then telling me to get a hobby for discussing a celeb on here??? Girl are you OK??

"When they act this way, I know I got em" 

 

deflect, deflect, deflect, Creep. Hopefully they've already taken away your access to children cause chile 

 

like I already know I'm the biggest, alcoholic, loser there is. What else you gonna tell me bout myself? 

[Lovett]

Just now, WildHeart said:

Right above you post, a user called the victim liar... 

The one who just went on TV and blew her own story apart and now has her lawyer scrambling to admit he hadn't actually vetted the story before making it public? 

[Arrogant]

2 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

Right above you post, a user called the victim liar... 

 

 

So please stop projecting the disgusting behaviour coming out of your fanbase onto me... 

 

Sorry, the facts don't care about your feelings. If you look at evidence and ignore it so you can soothe yourself and stay in your delulu world, that doesn't make you a person we can take seriously.

[BnPac]

8 minutes ago, Trent W said:

The way some members want this to be true so bad is scary af

 

I get being angry at the first few pages

 

But right now, still pushing the idea is sick

Like wouldn't it be better if this woman was never hurt that violently?

[on the line]

5 minutes ago, Lovett said:

You know my reactions are visible on my account, right?  So we can all see I haven't reacted to 15 of your comments in 2 minutes, which would surely be a sign that you are massively trolling in this thread.

 

You believe the alleged victim, because you want to use it to take down Beyoncé. You don't actually care about the victim and that's painfully obvious from your comments which are nothing more than attempts to incite fan wars. Her story has fallen apart and has gaping holes in it yet you refuse to acknowledge even a tiny bit of uncertainty. Which is very telling.

I was walking my dog, and, okay, it was about 4 minutes later that I opened ATRL to another 23 notifications, and all the top ones were yours. Reviewing, I see @TipToe has joined in on the fun and added many of those too. My bad.

 

I, a gay who spends their time hiking and camping and avoiding poison oak all over California, have no power "to take down Beyonce" - I have fun on ATRL just like the rest of you do.

 

Again, perhaps, there is a reason I side with a victim who says they were raped by someone in power that isn't because I'm "jealous of Beyonce" - lmao, please.

 

 

[WildHeart]

6 minutes ago, Lovett said:

The one who just went on TV and blew her own story apart and now has her lawyer scrambling to admit he hadn't actually vetted the story before making it public? 

God forbid if a victim doesn't remember every detail of what happened 24 years ago as a 13 years old child, must be a liar... 

 

Do you all realize how y'all sound

 

3 minutes ago, Arrogant said:

Sorry, the facts don't care about your feelings. 

Did the court rule out? I must have missed