celeb news Jay-Z's lawyer calls for case dismissal after accuser has many story inconsistencies

[Kristie Kuwa]

15 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Funny. Taylor hugged Britney Mahoney (or something like that) and the Hive turned it into a 20 thread page scandal....... I'm not commenting on this bey/jay case but I just find it funny how you guys are treating this whole thing. 

Ur fanbase has gone completely BATSHIT these last couple of weeks regarding Bey, dont even try to get sympathy from the Hive.

[Monster Queen]

19 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Ur fanbase has gone completely BATSHIT these last couple of weeks regarding Bey, dont even try to get sympathy from the Hive.

Sure, you should keep your sympathy for that 13 years old girl

Edited Tuesday at 03:29 PM by Monster Queen

[Badgalbriel]

26 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Ur fanbase has gone completely BATSHIT these last couple of weeks regarding Bey, dont even try to get sympathy from the Hive.

why would anyone want sympathy from the hive?

[PoisonPill]

On 12/9/2024 at 2:13 AM, Kool_Aid_King said:

Y'all really need to learn how to wait and observe. Those jumping to bash Jay (and Bey for some reason) are pathetic. We don't know any details. He has denied it, viciously. There's no proof or facts we've seen yet aside from an allegation-- something anyone could make. 

Does literally anyone believe that the Hive would offer this graciousness and benefit of the doubt to anyone else

[Vermillion]

 

[Vermillion]

The hive's going to want him to be given the benefit of the doubt once cleared in a civil and criminal trial by the general public that he won't regardless, for reasons going beyond that he's a black man.

 

He's rich, and beyond anything to do with drugs, beat a fan in the face on tape and continued associating with R.Kelly way past his initial charges in the early 2000s.

 

Whether he deserves that grace is besides the point because it's not going to happen and with his money he'll be fine.

 

Whether out of hubris or fear, Bey's given the signal she's staying put despite the ongoing red flags. How she manages her rock era outside of her die-hard Hive through this will speak volumes.

 

The only one I feel complete sympathy for through all of this is Blue.

 

Given his past actions beyond the time of this alleged crime, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt here and I don't think this is a money grab at all given the new legal developments.

 

Buzbee's associations with Trump pre-birther movement are a red herring.

[ShouldersSideways]

19 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

 

 

He's rich, and beyond anything to do with drugs, beat a fan in the face on tape and continued associating with R.Kelly way past his initial charges in the early 2000s.

 

I see this come up a lot, but unless I'm mistaken the video you're referring to is backstage footage with one of his childhood best friends, Chaka Pilgrim.  She is still at Roc Nation to this day. 

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jay-z-filmed-punching-12-year-old-female-fan/

 

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Now "Backstage" director Chris Fiore is corroborating that the hand-to-face smoosh was "playful."

What's more, Fiore admits to us, he left out footage where "they both laughed and hugged" immediately afterward.

"The shot in question was taken out of context by me, and was used in the film to create a sense of heightened tension at the end of the tour," Fiore says. Pilgrim, who works for Jay's Rocawear company, confirms they're still pals and that "we were just playing around."

I'm not defending Jay Z when it comes to these new charges, but him hitting a fan in the face isn't true.

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 hour ago, Monster Queen said:

Sure, you should keep your sympathy for that 13 years old girl

Why would I assume sth happened when there's 0 evidence? Why jump onto conclusion?

 

Ah right, theres this thing with WANTING someone to be guilty of sth disregarding anything

[Vermillion]

3 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

I see this come up a lot, but unless I'm mistaken the video you're referring to is backstage footage with one of his childhood best friends, Chaka Pilgrim.  She is still at Roc Nation to this day. 

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jay-z-filmed-punching-12-year-old-female-fan/

 

I'm not defending Jay Z when it comes to these new charges, but him hitting a fan in the face isn't true.

Point taken, but if that's how he treats friends, god help his enemies.  

[SeeingStars1515]

On 12/8/2024 at 6:44 PM, Vermillion said:

I was going to include this in a bumped post to the Diddy lawsuit thread but this deserved its own before the forum's wiped  

 

I also distinctly remember posting a thread on Beyoncé cutting Cowboy Carter promotion short right around the time this all started and there were a lot of people that doubted any connection.

 

I'm not a hater, but just saying.  

Im a huge Bey fan (obviously) but I also would not be surprised - even if I dont quite understand the link - that the lack of promotion was interesting timing. Even Renaissance received more singles treatment (albeit barely lol0

[ShouldersSideways]

1 minute ago, Vermillion said:

Point taken, but if that's how he treats friends, god help his enemies.  

Maybe, but I just saw it as playing around.  She was doing the same to him and jokingly taunting him, then he responded in kind, and they laughed and hugged afterward.  The director admits to cutting around it to give the sense the tour was taking a toll on everyone, but he left out the context. 

 

Like I said, I'm not saying this in defense of the recent charges.  I just don't think there's any correlation between the two, personally. 

[on the line]

2 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Funny. Taylor hugged Britney Mahoney (or something like that) and the Hive turned it into a 20 thread page scandal....... I'm not commenting on this bey/jay case but I just find it funny how you guys are treating this whole thing. 

Bingo. I've almost posted this numerous times (along with copious other exmaples), but they just bury their heads and ignore their hypocrisy.

 

Could you imagine if this was about Travis? The essays. The rants. The "you racists". The "you sick fucks". The "you support this!". Instead we get, "so nice he supports his daughter at a kids movie premiere!"

 

*every single eye shift gif*

[Itz_Dani!]

On 12/9/2024 at 2:13 AM, Kool_Aid_King said:

Y'all really need to learn how to wait and observe. Those jumping to bash Jay (and Bey for some reason) are pathetic. We don't know any details. He has denied it, viciously. There's no proof or facts we've seen yet aside from an allegation-- something anyone could make. 

 

On the flip side, I don't think we should run to shout for his innocence. 

Oh but the hive would be the first ones to jump on any other artists necks if it weren't jayZ or Bey facing this scandal. 
 

Sorry but no. If this is true (which most likely it is), JayZ is a vile monster, as well as Bey for knowing (she's his wife, of course she knows) and enabling/not doing anything about it. 

[Braz]

It's "believe the victims" unless it's the fave's husband then it's too soon to make any accusations. Especially someone that kept a close relationship with R Kelly and P Diddy for decades. 

[SeeingStars1515]

6 minutes ago, Braz said:

It's "believe the victims" unless it's the fave's husband then it's too soon to make any accusations. Especially someone that kept a close relationship with R Kelly and P Diddy for decades. 

As I always say, never assume these people are anything more than what you see on TV - whether it's Bey, Lana, etc lol

Bey was 16 when she met Jay - and I would not be surprised if she had been forced to endure navigating a very complex world that no adolescent would survive in

 

[Kool_Aid_King]

1 hour ago, PoisonPill said:

Does literally anyone believe that the Hive would offer this graciousness and benefit of the doubt to anyone else

Find any post of MINE where I don't offer this level of graciousness to an allegation? I can't speak for the Hive, the last sentence of my post was specifically for the Hive to not rush to defend him as I seen on Twitter.

 

2 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Funny. Taylor hugged Britney Mahoney (or something like that) and the Hive turned it into a 20 thread page scandal....... I'm not commenting on this bey/jay case but I just find it funny how you guys are treating this whole thing. 

Very different scenarios, also Taylor MAGA jokes have been a running thing on this forum since 2015. You are comparing a very serious criminal rape allegation to Taylor hugging & kiikiing with a MAGA supporter. If I did make a comment in that thread, it was just me trolling/baiting cause it's not serious. If it was a Travis Kelce allegation thread, I would've been consistent. My values are the same even if it was someone I disliked like Nicki Minaj.

 

32 minutes ago, Itz_Dani! said:

Oh but the hive would be the first ones to jump on any other artists necks if it weren't jayZ or Bey facing this scandal. 
 

Sorry but no. If this is true (which most likely it is), JayZ is a vile monster, as well as Bey for knowing (she's his wife, of course she knows) and enabling/not doing anything about it. 

I can only speak for myself & I would not jump on anyone's neck. Obviously the Hive is doing the most, which is what my last sentence meant. We should not rush to innocence and not rush to guilty either without evidence. Saying it's "most likely true" is incredibly ridiculous. You don't know these people and nothing Jay-Z has said or done implied he would rape a 13 year old. I'm not saying he did it, but it would be incredibly shocking & unlike his character (as someone who actually has followed his career).

[Margaux]

it's honestly sick that the hives are on the defense mode. mind u they're the ones who constantly bring up gaga collabing with r kelly. all the while bey is married to a rapist pedo

[TipToe]

2 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

why would anyone want sympathy from the hive?

You were the one crying about the Hive being unfair with Taylor in the first place so you obviously care and is trying to justify your fan base painting B as a criminal comparing to that silly thing

Edited Tuesday at 05:46 PM by TipToe

[TipToe]

51 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

Point taken, but if that's how he treats friends, god help his enemies.  

None of your business and your take is irrelevant to the matter, do u work for Buzbee or what?  

[TipToe]

12 minutes ago, Margaux said:

it's honestly sick that the hives are on the defense mode. mind u they're the ones who constantly bring up gaga collabing with r kelly. all the while bey is married to a rapist pedo

1) he's not convicted 2) Beyoncé isn't out there mocking victims of sexual abuse ala DWUW.

[Calvin]

Hives defending that disgusting creep. YIKES 

[Vermillion]

 

[Lorelei]

This is heinous, not only because he will come out of it unscathed, like most of them do but also because Beyonce will be the main focus of a hate train instead of the actual perpetrator, if proven guilty. 

[ScorpiosGroove]

49 minutes ago, Margaux said:

it's honestly sick that the hives are on the defense mode. mind u they're the ones who constantly bring up gaga collabing with r kelly. all the while bey is married to a rapist pedo

they're in defense mode bc, as expected, you people are making this all about beyoncé. hell most of us don't even like that man to begin with.

 

also little monsters and barbz should be the absolute last fandoms to gleefully join conversations about others sticking with rapists and child abusers 

[19SLAYty9]

He obviously did it. There's been rumors/ stories/ blinditems of him doing things like this since the 90s. There are rappers who were associated with jay who have said it. Theres jokes about it in other songs. There was a woman who had a son at 15 when jay was in his 30s who looks just like jay. Jay has been stalling that dna test for a decade  

 

im not saying Beyonce should be punished for it, but cmon, she obviously would know too 

Edited Tuesday at 06:43 PM by 19SLAYty9