base talk Harvard prof claims Taylor is successful partly because she's white, tall and blonde

[atemyheartinc]

And also because she's an amazing lyricist, a wise businesswoman, and truly committed to her work.

[Bewitched]

Water is wet 

[Odette Violet]

Well those are certainly part of the reasons but while we also have other white blonde pop girls it's important to note that they are too polarising, too edgy, too sexy etc.

 

 

Miss Swift are none of that, she appeals to common white suburban christian  demographic 

[cuteboyzay]

If Trump can win an election being the worst MFing human being on this planet. Taylor can be extremely successful because of her YT privelege.

 

BUT, I feel half of it is her talent. And the other half is her consistency. If she wasn't so consistent with her work she wouldn't be as successful as she is.

 

Regardless though, a huge reason why she's so successful is because of her skin color and she knows that lmao! She plays into it given how much she tries to portray the "All-American girl/girl next door" image.

[Sabrina Carpenter]

thank god my fave is short, white, and blonde 

[GraceRandolph]

Did we need a Harvard professor to reveal this information to us? Seems like people have been saying this for years. 

[Peroxide]

4 hours ago, SupremeGoddess said:

Taylor isn't really that great of a songwriter when you compare her to actual songwriters like Joni Mitchell or Carole King or Patti Smith, even more pop oriented artists like Madonna have written much better material

Taylor could never write a The Magdalene Laundries or a Mer Girl to save her life

 

What she does do well enough is craft a narrative storytelling-like effect in her lyrics but it's usually all very basic and above the surface. She's just lucky most people (a majority of her stans included) aren't very cultured or clever so they all think her music is some sort of holy ground (reference intended) 

This post is so incredibly condescending

 

As someone who's very familiar with Madonna's music… Taylor walks circles around her when it comes to writing.

[Cruel Summer]

It's so weird for people to try to turn the valid commentary and analysis at the heart of this statement into the most reductive, banal, boring shade ever. Literally shameful. We could have a productive discussion about how those factors contributed to her success, but because people stay absolutely ******* seething about Taylor Swift 24/7, they sprint in here to type-scream that she's the blandest and safest thing ever to exist in the history of the universe and will never compare to this, that, or the other artist. Like, congrats, but you've definitely said that already, some of you literally thousands of times. Meanwhile, the actual point that was being made in the source material was part of constructive analysis that you're basically just shitting on?

 

Literally just see here:

 

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"White privilege and pretty privilege is part of her success, and she knows it, and seeing that doesn't, I hope, take away from the tremendous talent that she has shown and the way she's known how to use it, but it is a disservice to the study of culture and to her listeners and to the truth if you don't acknowledge that."

[Slap]

I'm sure it does have an effect but it would be ridiculous to reduce her achievements just to that. I think they come at it from a rational and balanced perspective, perhaps it makes some people uncomfortable but it is true. 

[Bubble Tea]

5 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

It's so weird for people to try to turn the valid commentary and analysis at the heart of this statement into the most reductive, banal, boring shade ever. Literally shameful. We could have a productive discussion about how those factors contributed to her success, but because people stay absolutely ******* seething about Taylor Swift 24/7, they sprint in here to type-scream that she's the blandest and safest thing ever to exist in the history of the universe and will never compare to this, that, or the other artist. Like, congrats, but you've definitely said that already, some of you literally thousands of times. Meanwhile, the actual point that was being made in the source material was part of constructive analysis that you're basically just shitting on?

 

Literally just see here:

 

This whole thread is annoying because the professor is pointing out that Taylor's looks are a part of her success which is of course they are for every successful female pop star, so it barely registers as the most salient point.

 

Of course the headline of this thread was set up to disproportionately center on this particular element of the claims and cue generic comments.  I don't think Taylor is that incredible but it's not like she's the only white, blonde pop star. It was cool during those Victoria Secret shows when she truly held her own with the models though.

[AvadaKedavra]

There are many reasons for her success, and this is certainly one of them. It's obvious! However, the main reason is her intelligence. This is what separates her from the rest. The same applies to Madonna; they're crazily-witty smart! Taylor is exceptionally intelligent and mentally very tough (so many pop girls lack this too)  


That said, we cannot ignore that there's something special about her beauty compared to many white pop girls today. She has a fairytale-like appearance that carries a unique appeal. Her charming vibe connects well with everyone. She is the epitome of PRETTY! 
The rest of white pop girls are really beautiful but i think their beauty is less conventional and more exotic like Gaga, Billie, Kesha, Fergie, Gwen....
Another popstar giving me this type of Pretty princess vibe is Katy Perry but a bit more Classic American
Then we have someone like Chappel. I dont know why but her face gives me Museum-Art Painting vibes

Edited November 13 by AvadaKedavra

[SupremeGoddess]

3 hours ago, Kern said:

I'm sorry but this is such a weird take. Joni, Caroline King and Patti Smith were never making pop music and Madonna was always making dance pop music. Taylor Swift does typical guitar singer-songwriter type of pop and she just happens to be very good at making her lyrics appeal to masses and that is not a bad thing - that actually requires wit and is also literally the point of pop music.  

and I'm not really a Taylor fan but calling her fans not cultured or clever and assuming they don't listen to Joni Mitchell or Madonna's deeper cuts and are not capable of appreciating their lyricism is giving „I'm so special because I know old niche artists like Joni Mitchell or little known songs like Mer Girl unlike Taylor Swift fans who are basic" lol 

but I am so special because I know old niche artists like Joni Mitchell or little known songs like Mer Girl unlike Taylor Swift fans who are basic  

 

[Gladiator]

All you need to do is read a few of these replies to begin to understand why so many people here seemingly resort to talking to AI to formulate their newly posted discussions. Critical thinking and reading comprehension are lacking. Open up the schools!

[SupremeGoddess]

1 hour ago, Peroxide said:

This post is so incredibly condescending

 

As someone who's very familiar with Madonna's music… Taylor walks circles around her when it comes to writing.

As if Taylor would ever have the audacity to record something like Erotica title track, Justify My Love, Human Nature, Oh Father, Inside of Me, Easy Ride, Drowned World, Till Death do Us Part, Bad Girl, Secret, Waiting, Has to Be, To Have Not to Hold etc 

 

even Incredible has more gravitas than most of Taylor's work overall 

Edited November 13 by SupremeGoddess

[iamanearthling]

23 hours ago, SupremeGoddess said:

but I am so special because I know old niche artists like Joni Mitchell or little known songs like Mer Girl unlike Taylor Swift fans who are basic  

 

You think knowing Joni makes you special? . Lmao.

Trust me many swifties listen to Joni. You're not that special. 

Time to get off your high horse. 

 

Edited November 14 by iamanearthling

[WildHeart]

15 hours ago, SupremeGoddess said:

Are those records your prime example of great songwriting? Swifties try listening to music released before 2012 challenge

 

Go listen your yada yada yada bum bum kaka music and leave real songwriting alone 

[penguintim]

10 hours ago, SupremeGoddess said:

As if Taylor would ever have the audacity to record something like Erotica title track, Justify My Love, Human Nature, Oh Father, Inside of Me, Easy Ride, Drowned World, Till Death do Us Part, Bad Girl, Secret, Waiting, Has to Be, To Have Not to Hold etc 

Message in a Bottle clears.all.of these with ease ijbol

[TipToe]

21 hours ago, TayDuaStan said:

Lol this strawman ain't slick. It's not only about being white, it's not only the appearance that is just too simplistic. You can be a white female singer and be the total opposite of Taylor. Having a certain image helps, being relatable to a certain demographic is important, yadda yadda, no rocket science. What counts is how she uses these things in her advantage and she found a very effective way of bonding with her target audience based on the narrative she built and express thru her music and artistic persona - and yeah, being white is a big factor in all that.

[Illyboy]

 

[Namie-Knowles]

White gays using Christina Aguilera as a "White Privilege and White Supremacy via Eurocentric beauty standards doesn't exist" is a ******* kii.

[awesomepossum]

On 11/12/2024 at 3:45 PM, piotrert said:

Thanks for this revelation. Now we know why Gaga is a flop, because she is short. 

five foot two

[Margaux]

same case with billie. she doesn't even have anything new to the table. she was heavily carried by finneas songwriting. she can't even sing for starters. 

[Kern]

1 hour ago, Margaux said:

same case with billie. she doesn't even have anything new to the table. she was heavily carried by finneas songwriting. she can't even sing for starters. 

you gotta be kidding me

 

[Outlaws]

Duh

[Gojira]

Not a Taylor fan but her saying that is meaningless. There are a million tall white blond women. Why is Taylor the one who became so popular? Something about her in particular is appealing to a lot of people.