Virgos Groove Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 8 minutes ago, VeniceBeach said: They fought for their independence since they were illegally occupied by the USSR in 1940. That's… one way of putting it. Here's another: Quote Ramanauskas remains a controversial figure due to his collaboration with the Nazis during the Holocaust, and his memorials have been protested against by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the World Jewish Congress, and the Jewish Agency. Quote Controversy exists regarding Lukša's role during the Nazi occupation of Lithuania. According to multiple witnesses, Lukša was a participant in the 1941 Lietukis garage massacres in Kaunas, and allegedly took part in the murder and decapitation of Rabbi Zalman Osovsky. Quote On 5 February 1944, [Misiūnas] volunteered for the Lithuanian Territorial Defense Force, a Nazi-sponsored military unit commanded by general Povilas Plechavičius. On 16 February he started studying at the military courses organized by the Territorial Defence Force in Marijampolė. The force was disbanded in May and Misiūnas went into hiding. Just some wholesome freedom fighters, it seems! The crimes of the Soviet Union, as bad as they were (and yes, they were bad), will NEVER get close to what Nazi Germany and the collaborationist governments of the Baltics, Bandera's Ukraine and Croatia did. This is the widely accepted historical view everywhere outside of a few Eastern European countries that are still reckoning with their collaborationist part. Yes, deporting thousands of Lithuanians is bad (though, in some cases, deportation is precisely what saved some Lithuanian Jews from being killed). Killing 95% of your Jewish population is much, much worse. "Okay, we did a Holocaust, but the commies!!1!!" is not the hill you wanna die on.
VeniceBeach Posted October 12 Posted October 12 6 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: That's… one way of putting it. Here's another: Just some wholesome freedom fighters, it seems! The crimes of the Soviet Union, as bad as they were (and yes, they were bad), will NEVER get close to what Nazi Germany and the collaborationist governments of the Baltics, Bandera's Ukraine and Croatia did. This is the widely accepted historical view everywhere outside of a few Eastern European countries that are still reckoning with their collaborationist part. Yes, deporting thousands of Lithuanians is bad (though, in some cases, deportation is precisely what saved some Lithuanian Jews from being killed). Killing 95% of your Jewish population is much, much worse. "Okay, we did a Holocaust, but the commies!!1!!" is not the hill you wanna die on. And again ignoring the other talking points, how are the tankies so similar? You clearly don't know about Lithuanian resistance against the Soviets in 1944-1953, and it shows since you quickly changed the subject to Lithuanian collaborators in 1941-1944. They were, but they were only a few, Lithuania at that time was a 2.3 million occupied country without its government that would control the territory and the decisions that were made on it. I literally provided a link to a page that says most Lithuanians opposed any Nazi command, which is why there were no Waffen-SS units. Lithuanian partisans fought for the freedom of their country that existed before the war even started for 15 years, and you will not make them a neo-fascist militia because a few collaborators do not represent Lithuania or the Lithuanian people. Also, you forgot to mention the victims of deportations, so shut up Spoiler Due to poor living conditions, demanding physical labor, lack of food and medical care, the mortality rates were high, especially among the young and the elderly. Based on the incomplete and inaccurate records kept by MVD and MGB, Arvydas Anušauskas estimated that some 16,500 and 3,500 Lithuanians died in 1945–1952 and 1953–1958 respectively; this number does not include 8,000 deaths among the deportees of 1941 Thus total Lithuanian deaths could be around 28,000. Children accounted for about a quarter of the total casualties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Lithuania
Virgos Groove Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 7 minutes ago, NewStanner said: Anyone who appreciates the man responsible for millions of deaths should be banned asap. Stalin was not "just a human", he was a monster in human flesh. Like, I get liking communism as a theory (even if it hasn't worked in practice), since underprivileged people deserve to get help and billionaires should not exist, but to praise Stalin in any sort of way is literally disgusting I'm not praising Stalin. (Hell, I'm not even a communist, but more of a Corbynista democratic socialist. I don't believe we're ever getting revolution in the West. ) I'm saying he is appreciated by communists, which is a fact. Plenty of communist parties apply his theories (Marxism-Leninism) even if they reject his personal homophobia. The Communist Party of China, with over 90M members, upholds Stalin as a theorist. You can agree or disagree with that, but you can't deny it happens. 1
loliza Posted October 13 Posted October 13 East europeans have gone to defend nazis, their openion on the matter should not be held in consideration 1 1
Tcharm Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Victims of Capitalism memorials should be made in Burkina Faso, India, Haiti, Philippines, Iran, Brazil and other 3rd world countries to commemorate victims of the transatlantic slave trade, indentured servitude, colonialism, cold war interventions, coup de tats staged by the west post WWII, climate change, and more. This fascist memorial is simply a propaganda piece made to obfuscate the previous and current barbaric realities global capitalism created. China, Cuba, Vietnam and other socialist republics (cause communist countries literally do not exist) may not be perfect but at least they've all initiated poverty reduction initiatives that have significantly eliminated the existence of abject poverty in their countries. 5 1
Virgos Groove Posted October 14 Author Posted October 14 2 hours ago, Tcharm said: communist countries literally do not exist Russia is a communist country. It had a socialist state that withered away.
Thesedays Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) On 10/11/2024 at 7:07 AM, Rosenda said: Gay marriage is legal in Mexico, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Argentina, Costa Rica, Cuba and Uruguay. Peru, Panama, Nicaragua and Guatemala are subject to the Inter American Court of Human Rights. Now compare that to Eastern Europe, Russia, Middle East, Asia or Africa. Take into account that less developed countries are usually far behind in LGBT rights and progressive policies and you'll see they are not HoMopHobIC aS fUCc!!!! These countries are homophobic as ****. Gay marriage is legal in these countries due to the tireless work of LGBTQ+ activists. Not for the reason your racist ass attributed to it: the Hispanic colonization. Shameful as **** but does prove the point that anti-communists usually have quite a lot of fascism instilled in them. Edited October 14 by Thesedays
Tcharm Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) 11 hours ago, Virgos Groove said: Russia is a communist country. It had a socialist state that withered away. Current day Russia is a communist country...? lol. mmk. Sure. Btw Communist Country is an oxymoron, since communism is inherently stateless. Most of the "communist countries" we've heard of are actually socialist republics that have a Communist party running it with the ultimate goal of transitioning to communism, with an estimated 100 years timeframe. No socialist republic has ever survived that long to successfully transition to communism. Edited October 14 by Tcharm 3
Virgos Groove Posted October 14 Author Posted October 14 13 minutes ago, Tcharm said: Current day Russia is a communist country...? lol. mmk. Sure. Btw Communist Country is an oxymoron, since communism is inherently stateless. Most of the "communist countries" we've heard of are actually socialist republics that have a Communist party running it with the ultimate goal of transitioning to communism, with an estimated 100 years timeframe. No socialist republic has ever survived that long to successfully transition to communism. Sis, I know. I don't actually think Russia is communist, it was a Gorbachev joke. 1
Tcharm Posted October 14 Posted October 14 1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said: Sis, I know. I don't actually think Russia is communist, it was a Gorbachev joke. Im sorry Im on edge someone went through my entire comment history on ATRL from this thread and reacted to over 55 threads 1 1
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