news How terrorists Hamas use brutality to maintain power

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Capris Groove said:

This A vs B false dichotomy that ATRL has on this issue is the exact tribal mentality that ensures war continues

Really? Feels pretty simple that Palestinians are being genocided because Israel is an ethno-state founded on a form of Jewish nationalism that calls for Jewish supremacy. 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, 4th Time Around said:

Both of which are true, Hamas does not care about preventing the death of civilians

 

 

Again, I must ask... ?

 

 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, 4th Time Around said:

There have been ceasefire proposals from Israel

So you agree - Israel is rejecting the ceasefire that is agreed upon by Hamas, the US, and the entire UN security council by now denying the agreed to proposal and demanding nonsense addendums to sabotage it because they have no desire to stop committing genocide. 

[Communion]

7 minutes ago, 4th Time Around said:

now that they are getting the **** kicked out of them

Also this is an insane thing to say about an estimated 400k direct and indirect Palestinians dead at the hands of Israel. Permaban worthy. Your children will be ashamed to carry your name like the offspring of nazis felt. 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, 4th Time Around said:

but I also realize that Hamas won't meet Israels more harsh terms

Israel's rejection of the ceasefire deal that is agreed upon by - again - Hamas, the US, and the entire UN security council is because it calls for a lliteral ceasing of military fire. 

 

It is good that Hamas not agree to Israel's demand to continue to genocide Palestinians. 

[Sazare]

Whatever you think of Hamas there are very few things you can accuse them of that you can't also apply to Israel tenfold

 

Especially when you consider that Hamas is exactly who Israel put in power to begin with

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, 4th Time Around said:

hostages before a ceasefire can be agreed. The US and UN is pushing Israel to accept the deal proposed by Hamas

Odd. Here is Biden saying the deal in question was Israel's proposal. Wouldn't be shocked to see a fascist Zionist like yourself lie on Biden and also be a Trump supporter:

I think everyone reading should question why Zionists like yourself and Trump supporters are indistinguishable from one another. 

 

 

[Capris Groove]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Really? Feels pretty simple that Palestinians are being genocided because Israel is an ethno-state founded on a form of Jewish nationalism that calls for Jewish supremacy. 

And what's also true is that Hamas are a terrorist organization, managed by wealthy people that live in Qatar, that don't hold elections (read: fascism), and couldn't care less how many Palestinians die for them.

 

See how both can be true? That was sort of my point in the post you partially quoted.

 

Edited September 14 by Capris Groove

[Communion]

26 minutes ago, Capris Groove said:

that don't hold elections (read: fascism

Can you share with the audience who isn't allowing elections in Palestine to be held? Polling shows Hamas would again win re-election if elections were held and Fatah would likely even be defeated by Hamas in the West Bank, in addition to Hamas holding their support in Gaza. So obviously Hamas being who is blocking elections would not make sense. 

 

Who is blocking elections in Gaza by not allowing the Palestinian Authority to recognize that Hamas is a democratically-elected political party with a majority of support from Palestinians and thus would have to participate in elections?

Edited September 14 by Communion

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, 4th Time Around said:

refused to hold elections afterwards

Again, I'll repeat myself:

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

Can you share with the audience who isn't allowing elections in Palestine to be held? Polling shows Hamas would again win re-election if elections were held and Fatah would likely even be defeated by Hamas in the West Bank, in addition to Hamas holding their support in Gaza. So obviously Hamas being who is blocking elections would not make sense. 

 

Who is blocking elections in Gaza by not allowing the Palestinian Authority to recognize that Hamas is a democratically-elected political party with a majority of support from Palestinians and thus would have to participate in elections?

Why did Israel launch some of its deadliest assaults on Palestine in 2014 in reaction to Hamas and Fatah signing a unity government agreement to hold elections?

 

 

Surely you understand why the premise that a political party who sees the below kind of support is only in power through barbarism & violence is incoherent to what is seen, no?

 

 

[welham]

4 hours ago, Capris Groove said:

This A vs B false dichotomy that ATRL has on this issue is the exact tribal mentality that ensures war continues to be as essential to the human condition as water.

 

It floors me that we've advanced in so many ways but we have the exact primitive mindset to war as we did 4000 years ago.

 

The IDF and Hamas are both terrible. A thread stating that one is terrible doesn't need to be down voted because it doesn't mean the other side isn't also terrible. Stop with the black and white thinking.

No diva. When one of the terrible sides has killed tens of thousands so far, destroyed ever semblance of civilian infrastructure, and is clearly preparing for military occupation at best and complete ethnic cleansing to prepare for Judeo-supremacist settlements; the choice to go "but what about KHAMAS!!1!" at this stage shows us exactly who you are. It's a lazy attempt at derailing the conversation about Israel's actions, and we're not falling that ****. Not today satan.

[A.R.L]

The gays in here downvoting you in favor of hamas 

[Princess Aurora]

8 hours ago, 50thStateofMind said:

Hamas is EVIL and so is Netanyahu.

This 100%  Netanyahu funded them a few years ago too.

[Headlock]

6 hours ago, Communion said:

Again, I'll repeat myself:

Why did Israel launch some of its deadliest assaults on Palestine in 2014 in reaction to Hamas and Fatah signing a unity government agreement to hold elections?

 

 

Surely you understand why the premise that a political party who sees the below kind of support is only in power through barbarism & violence is incoherent to what is seen, no?

 

 

The way that user just deletes all of their comments after they get their ass handed to them, beyond cowardice 

[Communion]

8 hours ago, A.R.L said:

The gays in here downvoting you in favor of hamas 

"I can't believe people would not join me in demanding the Palestinian people don't have the right to self-determination"

 

If right wing militaristic political parties weren't allowed to run for office and states shouldn't be recognized for being led by such, every Eastern European user on this site (and increasingly central Europe) would instantly become politically stateless. 

 

The average conservative European ATRLer decides to vote for nazis at the sight of a kebab shop popping up in their village. You're not going to meaningfully convince people Gazans deserve to be mass raped and slaughtered as Israel is currently doing to them because they routinely support and pick Hamas as their leaders in the face of such genocide. 

Edited September 14 by Communion

[Headlock]

And then we have Zionist accounts like @Koons (who has not posted since 2019) downvoting comments in here, but previously posted such gems as this:

 

 

Do y'all really think anybody is buying your nonsense 

[SmittenCake]

10 hours ago, A.R.L said:

The gays in here downvoting you in favor of hamas 

The IDF is just as pro gay as hamas 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[A.R.L]

On 9/14/2024 at 6:29 PM, Communion said:

You're not going to meaningfully convince people Gazans deserve to be mass raped and slaughtered as Israel is currently doing to them because they routinely support and pick Hamas as their leaders in the face of such genocide. 

This is not what I said. 

[A.R.L]

On 9/14/2024 at 7:58 PM, SmittenCake said:

The IDF is just as pro gay as hamas 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sis, regardless of the ethical side of any military operation during an ongoing war, you cannot deny that there are homosexuals in the IDF who are open about their sexual orientation, someone in hamas would't even dare to think about saying that publicly because he would be in trouble by hamas themselves and then those who manifest in favor of hamas around the world.

[SmittenCake]

5 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

Sis, regardless of the ethical side of any military operation during an ongoing war, you cannot deny that there are homosexuals in the IDF who are open about their sexual orientation, someone in hamas would't even dare to think about saying that publicly because he would be in trouble by hamas themselves and then those who manifest in favor of hamas around the world.

I do not think Hezbollah or Hamas are good people. I recall Hezbollah leader being annoyed about LGBT progress in Lebanon because lawyers, politicians, people in such fields are becoming more and more pro gay because they're part of the younger generation. The IDF is already known to purposely out Queer Palestinians and blackmail them therefor I don't if they're pro gay all while partaking in this genocide. I don't like pink-washing. 

[Communion]

Just now, A.R.L said:

This is not what I said. 

Then you are unaware of what Israel believes and does when you co-sign their claim that Hamas should be "decimated and exterminated".

 

Israel is mass-raping and slaughtering Gazans under the threat that this will not stop until Hamas no longer exists (something that is not possible).

To co-sign Israel's claims is to co-sign what they do under the guise of that claim: mass rape and slaughter. 

 

What does gay liberation in Israel look like? Societal acceptance for a gay IDF soldier if he rapes a male Palestinian almost to death as torture, as already is happening?

[MP3]

Both sides are terrorists tbh 

[A.R.L]

23 minutes ago, Communion said:

What does gay liberation in Israel look like? Societal acceptance for a gay IDF soldier if he rapes a male Palestinian almost to death as torture, as already is happening?

Much better than any other country in the region.
 

Although that doesn't change the fact that many red lines have been crossed in Gaza during this war.

Edited September 16 by A.R.L