Maxxxine Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Must every thread be merged? Whats the point? Now the notes app rant part 2 isn't even in the OP it's lost in like the 15th page. 6
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 57 minutes ago, TrashMagiq said: Her doubling down for a second time and making it clear that she's not interested in people's opinions on it is making me really like her bsjdfj go off! Her going on a TikTok rant then going on to justify it on Instagram and then justifying it for a THIRD time is very much her being very interested in people's opinion lol 4
period sis Posted August 24 Posted August 24 No one seems to be understanding what shes saying which is probably why she feels like she needs to constantly double down about it. All she wants is respect and boundaries and people read that as "she hates her fans" "shes so evil for telling us not to bother her in public" Ill always have empathy for this girl. This time last year she was the most regular person ever still working at her hometown summer camp and the biggest thing of her life was her opening for Olivia. Never could she have predicted this level of fame and attention, especially when it happens overnight and you have no time to adjust your life. 6 3
Troll Idle Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: Pursuing music as a profession does not mean one choose fame. Playing at Lollapalooza and Coachella, booking the VMAs, appearing on magazine covers, having high-profile accounts on social media and showing up as a special guest on Oliva Rodrigo means you choose fame. That's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. Chappell chose fame. She isn't famous "for her work". There are hundreds of thousands of people who work in music who ARE NOT famous. She is famous because she CHOSE to be, WORKED HARD for IT, SUCCEEDED and now wants to reap the benefits of it without having to deal with the downsides. Well said 2
Dula Peep Posted August 24 Posted August 24 She should do a parody of Gaga's Paparazzi performance at the VMAs
CottageHore Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Ok I love her but no more, wrap it up, queen! People are going to get so sick of her saying this, no matter how valid it all is, it's gonna backfire. She's set the boundary and now she's gotta reinforce it with top of the line security personnel and a good attorney. They'll learn! 1
Shelter Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Most celebs don't want that fan side of things but you don't get to choose. She could've been in the biz but behind the scenes, she chose to be a public figure. If she thinks an instagram or TikTok is going to help or reach the people she is complaining about, she is delusional. Personally can't stand celebs moaning. I don't even know who this is, only see her mentioned on here. 1
YourHonesty Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: Pursuing music as a profession does not mean one choose fame. Playing at Lollapalooza and Coachella, booking the VMAs, appearing on magazine covers, having high-profile accounts on social media and showing up as a special guest on Oliva Rodrigo means you choose fame. That's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. Chappell chose fame. She isn't famous "for her work". There are hundreds of thousands of people who work in music who ARE NOT famous. She is famous because she CHOSE to be, WORKED HARD for IT, SUCCEEDED and now wants to reap the benefits of it without having to deal with the downsides. Her point is that we, as fans and consumers, need to change how we interface with fame. It's possible to admire and support someone without objectifying and dehumanizing them. 1 1
emile20 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 I cannot stand her, please if you are not suited for this career go retire and be an indie act. Taylor would never. 1 1 4
holyground13 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 18 minutes ago, CottageHore said: Ok I love her but no more, wrap it up, queen! People are going to get so sick of her saying this, no matter how valid it all is, it's gonna backfire. She's set the boundary and now she's gotta reinforce it with top of the line security personnel and a good attorney. They'll learn! All of this. I agree with her but it could backfire. She's said it and if people didn't get it by now they'll have to get the message another way. It's brave of her to be so outspoken and clear and to the point - major Madonna vibes. I love how she's not afraid to surprise people. And I have empathy for Chappell because first off: it's not as if she isn't grateful for her success - she is and she's made that clear - but also that this happened real quick. I mean, yes, she did open on a very popular arena tour, but other than that she did become very popular very quickly in a way that is unparalleled. 3 1
TrashMagiq Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: Her going on a TikTok rant then going on to justify it on Instagram and then justifying it for a THIRD time is very much her being very interested in people's opinion lol there's a difference between people's opinions impacting her and her being interested in knowing people's opinions
BrokenMachine Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Her feelings are valid and there's no denying in that, I get her point, BUUUT... she would have better worked it out in therapy or with her team first, because this is bad from a PR point of view. Still, her first controversy. One step closer to become a MPG 2
BrokenMachine Posted August 24 Posted August 24 On 8/19/2024 at 2:34 PM, Sheep said: This isn't it sorry. Love her but she's not cut out for fame. Like yes not being able to exist as a private person in public is traumatizing and celebrity as a construct is destructive. She has the power to pull the plug on her career and go get a job in finance or something but is still raking in the checks and bookings from her album. The people who think they know her are the ones paying her bills. I wouldn't personally run up to Gaga or Beyonce and demand their time and attention in public but I wouldn't throw hands at the others going up to them. It's no secret that the only real solution in these scenarios is to remove yourself from public spaces, which is obviously hard as somebody who's not even fully established yet but it really, REALLY, REALLY comes with the territory. Making and posting this video in itself is inserting her into a public space. You don't get heaps of praise and adoration and money just for existing and then give up nothing except some studio sessions and live performances in return, there ARE trade-offs, it's a JOB. There's a reason all of our favs try to make themselves scarce and unknowable outside of working hours. Yeah, it's hard to get away from it, but it works sometimes. For example Fiona Apple knew how to stand her ground and get away from all of that even by her first era. Then, Lana comes to mind too, she gets away from the spotlight whenever she wants and only comes back whenever she feels like it 2
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 hour ago, YourHonesty said: Her point is that we, as fans and consumers, need to change how we interface with fame. It's possible to admire and support someone without objectifying and dehumanizing them. No, it's not. I have no clue why people here are so obsessed with fooling themselves. Celebrity culture is about selling out stadiums and arena. Making a lot of money over overpirced tickets. Getting people to buy your album and merch. Getting people excited and their hearts racing. The only reason anyone will spend a fortune on concert tickets, spend their money buying stuff from someone who doesn't even know they exist and get happy at their achievments is due to PARASSOCIAL BEHAVIOR. That's it. Without parassocial behavior the concept of celebrity and of a mainstream popstar cease to exist. 1 1 2
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 51 minutes ago, TrashMagiq said: there's a difference between people's opinions impacting her and her being interested in knowing people's opinions Considering she's on her third straight meltdown, it's clear people's opinions on her rant affecting her. Otherwise, she wouldn't be trying to justify it for a third straight time. 1 2
BrokenMachine Posted August 24 Posted August 24 On 8/19/2024 at 3:33 PM, Solaria said: She's absolutely right and she should say it. Taylor normalized this type of behavior by making cult fanbases the norm and it infested a generation. The dislikes, as if they didn't brag the whole time how Taylor capitalizes the most off her obsessed stans while calling it 'impact' 1 1
YourHonesty Posted August 25 Posted August 25 3 hours ago, Thesedays said: No, it's not. I have no clue why people here are so obsessed with fooling themselves. Celebrity culture is about selling out stadiums and arena. Making a lot of money over overpirced tickets. Getting people to buy your album and merch. Getting people excited and their hearts racing. The only reason anyone will spend a fortune on concert tickets, spend their money buying stuff from someone who doesn't even know they exist and get happy at their achievments is due to PARASSOCIAL BEHAVIOR. That's it. Without parassocial behavior the concept of celebrity and of a mainstream popstar cease to exist. You're soooo close to grasping the point If you can't enjoy and support an artist without forming a parasocial relationship with them (and furthermore, feeling enticed to stalk and touch them) then sis…
UnusualBoy Posted August 25 Posted August 25 There was no need of the 3rd rant. Just leave at it and go on.
dumbsparce Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Why is this thread so huge? What's hard to understand with a midwest princess expressing her frustration when dozens of twinks and blue haired girls scream in her face telling her to adopt them? 6
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted August 25 Posted August 25 5 hours ago, period sis said: Ill always have empathy for this girl. This time last year she was the most regular person ever still working at her hometown summer camp and the biggest thing of her life was her opening for Olivia. Never could she have predicted this level of fame and attention, especially when it happens overnight and you have no time to adjust your life. I agree with you because I can't imagine living a semi-normal life making barely above minimum wage living in a small town and a few months later millions of people know who you are and your face and voice is everywhere. I would find it so daunting and I'm surprised that she's stayed calm and stable throughout it all, especially since she has been candid about her bipolar diagnosis. I really hope she has a good support system because I genuinely wonder how she's going to handle this level of fame if she gets any bigger. I just can't imagine going from being a broke twenty something from the midwest and now you can't even walk into Target without getting hounded and harassed by fans.
Thesedays Posted August 25 Posted August 25 26 minutes ago, YourHonesty said: You're soooo close to grasping the point If you can't enjoy and support an artist without forming a parasocial relationship with them (and furthermore, feeling enticed to stalk and touch them) then sis… Lmao, I am kind of in shock of how self-centered people are to the point they don't understand this isn't about me or you. Also, seems like the point went straight over your head. It's definitely not me not "grasping the point". I grasped your point and you are wrong. Not a matter of opinion, you are the one who doesn't seem to understand what celebrity culture entails. 2
brazil Posted August 25 Posted August 25 She has a point, parasocial relationships are not healthy and boundaries are important. But don't act like people asking you for a picture is harassment lol, yes celebrities should be allowed to say no if they don't want to take a picture, but being asked comes with being famous 3
AvadaKedavra Posted August 25 Posted August 25 (edited) I see three possible paths-roads for her 1. Chappell will learn to handle fame-stardom and, with the support of her pop peers, will manage it effectively. Just give her some time.....she's just gettin accustomed to it. 2. Once she becomes a big Worldwide-American Superstar, she may regret entering the mainstream, but it will be too late. Once is Done is Done. She might experience significant meltdowns-breakdowns,depressive moments and we will all feel sorry for her and worry about her. Her worst fears will turn true. She will live in an expensive golden cage like taylor swift-lady gaga. 3. Chappell may choose to slow down, take breaks for years, and eventually lose her momentum and stay more like a carly rae jepsen-lorde type of artist and thats totally ok. That level of fame is nice. Unfortunately, the fans won't stop. The truth is............. people often lack empathy and are primarily self-centered. Welcome to our world-planet, where about 70% of people are focused on themselves—Me, Me, and Me. But she very brave for standing up against the creepy fans Edited August 25 by AvadaKedavra
dinorhino Posted August 25 Posted August 25 3 hours ago, brazil said: She has a point, parasocial relationships are not healthy and boundaries are important. But don't act like people asking you for a picture is harassment lol, yes celebrities should be allowed to say no if they don't want to take a picture, but being asked comes with being famous I know in the first post she said something to the extent of fans asking for photos, she declines, and then they get mad. So I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt now and think maybe she's being very specific about fans who feel entitled rather than fans who interact with her at all in public
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