base talk Billboard's Greatest Pop Stars of the 21st Century | #3 Rihanna

[dumbsparce]

You guys seem to forget that Taylor's debut came out a year before B'day. She definitely checks the longevity requirement just as much as Beyonce does. It'll come down as to whether BB values facts more than arbitary claims.

[Feanor]

We could already find out later today who Billboard picked as #1, when they upload another episode of their podcast. So far they've always teased who'd be next on the list at the end of the podcast.

[ScorpiosGroove]

2 minutes ago, Feanor said:

We could already find out later today who Billboard picked as #1, when they upload another episode of their podcast. So far they've always teased who'd be next on the list at the end of the podcast.

can you post the podcast later ? 

[fa77ot]

Ava Max

[Feanor]

2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

can you post the podcast later ? 

I will. 

[itsnickcray]

41 minutes ago, Wicked said:

Y'all be stuck in bubbles if you genuinely believe this. Where on gods earth is Justin Bieber more impactful than Drake, or Gaga more than Taylor Swift? Kanye West is the most impactful and influential musician of the 21st century and you got him at #5  

 

Anyways, can't take the crying about this list seriously when it's clear there's other metrics at play. It's just a Billboard list. Some of the meltdowns over this

If it was just musically/artistically, my list would be different of course. And Taylor Swift wouldn't be in my top 15. It's just a list I made in seconds so it's not that deep but I tried to count the public and industry impact as well. After JB and Gaga, every label wanted to have another one of them.

[ScorpiosGroove]

15 minutes ago, Feanor said:

I will. 

thank you 

[Jay07]

It's Billboard. They count sales. It will be Taylor. It's not a list of talent and influence like earlier posts claim.

 

Also, trying to ascribe the success of Sabrina and Chappell to Taylor when their sexy, colorful music is the polar opposite to the joyless vanilla Taylor serves up? Oh Swifties, never stop reaching to create some imaginary impact.

[Kristie Kuwa]

7 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

It's Billboard. They count sales. It will be Taylor. It's not a list of talent and influence like earlier posts claim.

 

Also, trying to ascribe the success of Sabrina and Chappell to Taylor when their sexy, colorful music is the polar opposite to the joyless vanilla Taylor serves up? Oh Swifties, never stop reaching to create some imaginary impact.

Sabrina at least makes sense because Taylor put Sabrina on the map by letting her join her tour. Chappel on the other hand doesnt have anything to do with Taylor 

[kellebrity98]

4 hours ago, sasashite said:

According to Billboard's own Greatest Pop Stars of each year:

 

Taylor:

Honorable Mention in 2008

Honorable Mention in 2009

Honorable Mention in 2012

Greatest Pop Star of 2015

Honorable Mention in 2017

Honorable Mention in 2020

Greatest Pop Star of 2021

#3 Pop Star of 2022

Greatest Pop Star of 2023

 

Beyoncé:

Honorable Mention in 2001 (as Destiny's Child)

Greatest Pop Star of 2003

Honorable Mention in 2006

Honorable Mention in 2009

Greatest Pop Star of 2014

Honorable Mention in 2016

#4 Pop Star of 2022

#3 Pop Star of 2023

tbf Beyoncé doesn't release albums every year

[kellebrity98]

31 minutes ago, fa77ot said:

Ava Max

YES Greatest Pop Star of The Decade in Micronesia 

[Arrows]

Hit singles: Both

Albums: Taylor

Tours: Taylor

Streams: Taylor

Sales: Taylor

Acclaim: Beyoncé

Artistic impact: Beyoncé

Grammys: Both

Awards and accolades: Taylor

Celebrity, tabloids and headlines: Taylor

Power: Taylor

Iconography: Both

 

They're close, but Taylor edges out imo

 

 

[John Slayne]

the fumes if Beyonce ends up snatching the top spot  Billboard should do it just for the kiis

[Jay07]

27 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Sabrina at least makes sense because Taylor put Sabrina on the map by letting her join her tour. Chappel on the other hand doesnt have anything to do with Taylor 

Their music and image is literally nothing alike and they desperately keep trying to lump them together. Can you imagine Taylor trying to pull off the pinup image and Bed Chem? Lmao.

[Kristie Kuwa]

11 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Their music and image is literally nothing alike and they desperately keep trying to lump them together. Can you imagine Taylor trying to pull off the pinup image and Bed Chem? Lmao.

Musically you are absolutely right.

There is sth to be said of the rise of Sabrina after joining Taylor's tour tho, so I get the attachment

[BnPac]

2 hours ago, Wicked said:

The list is kinda ridiculous so does it really matter. lol. 

!!! 

 

It will be Taylor. I hope that will give Swifties some peace of mind. 

[berga]

I think that Beyonce should be at #1, and I'm saying it not being a stan

 

Let's not forget that her self titled album is the reason why music is now globally released on Friday, and Billboard itself has been involved in the negotiation to change the date

 

And this goes on top of the fact that Beyonce is the only artist on that list which has been musically relevant since day one of year 2000 (as the leader of DC) up to now

[BnPac]

1 minute ago, berga said:

I think that Beyonce should be at #1, and I'm saying it not being a stan

 

Let's not forget that her self titled album is the reason why music is now globally released on Friday, and Billboard itself has been involved in the negotiation to change the date

 

And this goes on top of the fact that Beyonce is the only artist on that list which has been musically relevant since day one of year 2000 (as the leader of DC) up to now

Who cares about that? Creating such a sizable switch that you change for more than a decade how   artists release and present their albums is peanuts? Change the album's release date? Introduce rap-singing that every pop girls nowadays uses? That's only "feels" and "claims". It's PR, she will buy it.

 

Let's hope it's Taylor because some Swifties might just combust if not. 

 

 

[istan4badgalriri]

3 hours ago, John Slayne said:

the fumes if Beyonce ends up snatching the top spot  Billboard should do it just for the kiis

She deserves tbh 

[redsbae]

If Beyonce is #1 I will scream. I do think it's an easy win for Taylor tho. 

[LOTF]

Yeah it's gonna be Tay and Bey, right?

[Feanor]

The Billboard podcast about the 2nd place announcement next week: "some very tough decisions to be made, maybe some hearts to be broken, who knows?"

Sounds pretty much like Taylor.

[Feanor]

9 hours ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

can you post the podcast later ? 

 

In the very last ~2 minutes here:

1 minute ago, Feanor said:

The Billboard podcast about the 2nd place announcement next week: "some very tough decisions to be made, maybe some hearts to be broken, who knows?"

Sounds pretty much like Taylor.

[ScorpiosGroove]

9 minutes ago, Feanor said:

 

In the very last ~2 minutes here:

way too vague to know honestly 

[kimberly]

9 hours ago, Jay07 said:

It's Billboard. They count sales. It will be Taylor. It's not a list of talent and influence like earlier posts claim.

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And we must also issue our obligatory reminder that unlike with our Year-End Charts, these Greatest Pop Stars are NOT mathematically determined by stats like chart position, streams or sales numbers. Those play a big part in our final rankings, of course — you can't be one of the greatest pop stars of the century without great pop hits and great pop albums — but so do things like music videos, live performances and social media presence, and more intangible factors like cultural importance, industry influence and overall omnipresence. (And we're measuring this over all 25 years of this century so far, so if you were only heard from at the beginning or the end of that period — or only had one or two big songs, albums or eras — that's gonna significantly hinder your ranking here as well.)

based on their criteria, it is a mix of both.

 

I still think it'll be Taylor at #1, mainly due to recency bias. While her "debut" might be in 2006, Taylor Swift's pop iconography only kicked in at the beginning of Red era, in 2012.

 

Whereas Beyoncé has been a dominant force the entire time. It's difficult to ignore that but I'm not surprised by the mental gymnastics done here to minimize that massive gap.