JonginBey Posted July 16 Posted July 16 1 hour ago, wastedpotential said: If I stopped talking to people who voted for Trump I'd have one cousin and like four colleagues left So? 3
wastedpotential Posted July 16 Posted July 16 8 minutes ago, JonginBey said: So? I mean, if I stopped interacting with my boss because of his political views, I'd be fired, and if I stopped talking to my parents I'd probably be written out of their will I don't know what it's like to have the privilege to not be forced to deal with dozens of Trump voters on a daily basis in every facet of life 1
byzantium Posted July 16 Posted July 16 Some of you really need to get out more. I feel like many of y'alls unwillingness to see the humanity in others is why so many people (particularly on the coasts) do not seem to actually understand why Trump won in 2016. 4 1
YourHonesty Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 hour ago, byzantium said: Some of you really need to get out more. I feel like many of y'alls unwillingness to see the humanity in others is why so many people (particularly on the coasts) do not seem to actually understand why Trump won in 2016. We need to see the humanity in people who align themselves with a movement that dehumanizes everyone except straight, white, wealthy men? And more people voted against Trump than for him in 2016 and 2020. What is there to understand? 2
Archetype Posted July 17 Posted July 17 5 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said: Also, this may be a bit too merciful, but not every Trump supporter is a bigot. A lot of them are truly stupid enough to just like Trump because he's not a traditional politician. Not that stupidity should be applauded but I like to see the good in some of them instead of immediately assuming the worst. Politics are too divisional, I don't like to contribute to that because it's how the bureaucrats retain their power — by keeping the working class fighting amongst themselves. We don't excuse stupidity when it comes at the cost of potentially having a Christian nationalist government. Yes people are stupid and easily mislead, but that was also engineered by their own existing conservative state governments. It's one thing to have no choice but to associate with Trump supporters, as in, be nice and friendly to your conservative aunt who is 85 years old, or your non-political brother-in-law's Trump loving parents, and another to willingly hang out with someone who supports Trump. It represents a complete 180 in values and the way you view people and the world at large.
byzantium Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 hour ago, YourHonesty said: We need to see the humanity in people who align themselves with a movement that dehumanizes everyone except straight, white, wealthy men? And more people voted against Trump than for him in 2016 and 2020. What is there to understand? Nuance is a virtue and we can be adults and hold multiple ideas at once. 2
Bussea Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) Taylor has always been liberal. She's voiced her support for Obama in 2008, voiced her support for Biden, voiced her support for Hilary and even publicly denounced Trump. Can we please stop being stupid just because we hate a pop star? The thots always drag swifties for being delulu but yall genuinely just live in an alternate reality with alternative facts as a way to cope with your obsession with her. I never seen an artist create discourse of the dumbest of things Edited July 17 by BussC,XOXO 1
Titanbaddie Posted July 17 Posted July 17 12 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Tbh unpopular opinion, but guilt by association gets taken too far out of context nowadays. You can be friends with someone who has other political beliefs than you. Not when those beliefs are that people of color, women and queer people should have less rights than cishet rich white men. That's not just a belief one should be indifferent about. It says a lot about what you yourself believe.
Mr.X Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Of course, she is a republican/white nationalist at heart, no matter how 'cute' and 'progressive' she wants to be seen by her rabid fans. ******* vile
Outlaws Posted July 17 Posted July 17 13 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Tbh unpopular opinion, but guilt by association gets taken too far out of context nowadays. You can be friends with someone who has other political beliefs than you. I wonder why you'd say this. 1
YourHonesty Posted July 17 Posted July 17 10 hours ago, byzantium said: Nuance is a virtue and we can be adults and hold multiple ideas at once. Please point me to the "nuance" in Project 2025 sis
Sannie Posted July 17 Posted July 17 15 hours ago, wastedpotential said: I mean, if I stopped interacting with my boss because of his political views, I'd be fired, and if I stopped talking to my parents I'd probably be written out of their will I don't know what it's like to have the privilege to not be forced to deal with dozens of Trump voters on a daily basis in every facet of life Now sis, there is a huge difference between employers and family members over friends you CHOOSE to be around lol. But I'm right there with you. The company I work for's CEO is a far-right lunatic.
wastedpotential Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Now sis, there is a huge difference between employers and family members over friends you CHOOSE to be around lol. But I'm right there with you. The company I work for's CEO is a far-right lunatic. ddd I guess that's fair. Of my friends, there aren't any Trump supporters I'm aware of, but everything outside of my immediate social circle is very 50/50. I'm going to drinks with some friends on Friday and I'm pretty sure at least three or four other people going will be Trump supporters. It's just a facet of life in Texas, and I'll be damned if I get preached at by someone in San Francisco or New York about the morality of association when they only meet Trump supporters inside gas stations on road trips 1
PoisonedIvy Posted July 17 Posted July 17 the "average" republican is nothing like what you see online. Every day people do not make politics their personality nor do they let it affect their personal and professional relationships. Y'all's aversion to republican ideology comes from the extremists you see online (and yes, the incompetence of our legislators.) In real life, the majority of the population has the same ideals: safety and freedom for themselves, their loved ones, and their country. I do not agree with Republican ideologies at all but I'm not about to demonize every single person that doesn't identify as a liberal/left wing/democrat. 1 1
PoisonedIvy Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) 34 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: It's just a facet of life in Texas, and I'll be damned if I get preached at by someone in San Francisco or New York about the morality of association when they only meet Trump supporters inside gas stations on road trips Wait I guess this explains it, we literally have been exposed to the right for so long here in Texas we kind of got FORCED into coexistence. But honestly I prefer it this way, being angry at 40% of the population all the time seems mentally taxing. (And yes that applies to both liberals AND conservatives and their never ending war with each other.) Edited July 17 by PoisonedIvy 1
YourHonesty Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 hour ago, PoisonedIvy said: the "average" republican is nothing like what you see online. Every day people do not make politics their personality nor do they let it affect their personal and professional relationships. Y'all's aversion to republican ideology comes from the extremists you see online (and yes, the incompetence of our legislators.) In real life, the majority of the population has the same ideals: safety and freedom for themselves, their loved ones, and their country. I do not agree with Republican ideologies at all but I'm not about to demonize every single person that doesn't identify as a liberal/left wing/democrat. But the problem is many of those legislators are extremists themselves. And the "average republicans" you speak of continue to vote for them. Regardless of what they personally believe, those people need to accept responsibility for the negative impact their votes have had (and will continue to have) on marginalized communities. You don't get to vote for someone like Ron DeSantis and then talk about how much you love the LGBT people in your life. Unfortunately most people aren't educated or engaged enough to accept that responsibility. And I don't think choosing to associate with them is bad per se. But if we don't call it out then we'll never do better. It's a small price to pay imo. 1
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted July 17 Posted July 17 It's been well documented that the company Taylor keeps is awful. She had no issue hanging out with the Mahomes family even though it's well known that Jackson sexually assaulted a woman and Brittany told people to stop talking about it.
PoisonedIvy Posted July 18 Posted July 18 5 hours ago, YourHonesty said: But the problem is many of those legislators are extremists themselves. And the "average republicans" you speak of continue to vote for them. Regardless of what they personally believe, those people need to accept responsibility for the negative impact their votes have had (and will continue to have) on marginalized communities. You don't get to vote for someone like Ron DeSantis and then talk about how much you love the LGBT people in your life. Unfortunately most people aren't educated or engaged enough to accept that responsibility. And I don't think choosing to associate with them is bad per se. But if we don't call it out then we'll never do better. It's a small price to pay imo. This is a fair rebuttal and I don't disagree with anything you said at all. 1
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