music news The Sun: Katy Perry to release electro banger with Kim Petras on KP6

July 8

yikes

July 8

Collab with Kim Petras is now asking for a hit? :ahh: Kim has like one hit and it's a Sam Smith song lbffr it's not like she got Ariana or Blackpink for a hit

July 8

Y'all hate everything, omg go suck a dick.

Excited for this, Kim has some good club songs and with Katy they could give us a gay bop. :duca:

July 8

I don't understand this rollout at all :skull: It's like Katy is doing everything in her power to make sure she flops.

July 8

Not the essays are already here once again :biblio:

July 8

31 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Why do you keep disregarding-

I'm disregarding your whataboutism because this man is a white sex-pest who predatorily sought out young women of color to wield power over in his bid to become a a celebrity producer after continually budding heads with his veteran white female peers of his own age:

If you care about black women and other WOC, or even just care about Doja Cat, you too would take issue with him trying to both exploit women of color and use them as stepping stones to re-normalize himself in an industry after being blacklisted by the biggest names of pop for committing sexual violence against women.

Again, you cannot defend Katy by trying to suggest innuendo over the reality that Katy has a bigger legacy in pop than Doja as a rapper does, and thus Katy's co-sign on Luke's return means more than others', let alone in an attempt to defend a man like Luke who continually undermines Doja via actions like discrediting her work and demanding publishing on work she has said she's the sole writer or producer on.

If you want to talk about Doja Cat, I think we should talk about why Luke seemingly largely only signs nearly underage women to record deals.

Why did he seek out Kesha at barely 18-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Doja at 17-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Becky G at 16-years-old to sign a record deal?

Even now, Snow Wife signed her record deal with Amigo Records at 18-years-old.

Why is a white male producer - largely out-casted by the white female superstars of his industry for being a misogynist at best and rapist at worst - preying on young WOC? And why is this the kind of person Katy Perry is willing to bet everything her career has stood for up until now on?

Edited July 8 by Communion

July 8

Oh the smash hit is coming :hippo:

July 8

2 hours ago, $ebert said:

I mean it's sad you have to talk about Kesha in a Katy thread, I guess she doesn't have nothing to offer so you have to deflect the attention.

To be fair I was the one that brought up Kesha

July 8

YIKES!

July 8

1 hour ago, BlackoutZone said:

Perhaps the worst song of the year

It was SO obvious :ahh:

July 8

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm disregarding your whataboutism because this man is a white sex-pest who predatorily sought out young women of color to wield power over in his bid to become a a celebrity producer after continually budding heads with his veteran white female peers of his own age:

If you care about black women and other WOC, or even just care about Doja Cat, you too would take issue with him trying to both exploit women of color and use them as stepping stones to re-normalize himself in an industry after being blacklisted by the biggest names of pop for committing sexual violence against women.

Again, you cannot defend Katy by trying to suggest innuendo over the reality that Katy has a bigger legacy in pop than Doja as a rapper does, and thus Katy's co-sign on Luke's return means more than others', let alone in an attempt to defend a man like Luke who continually undermines Doja via actions like discrediting her work and demanding publishing on work she has said she's the sole writer or producer on.

If you want to talk about Doja Cat, I think we should talk about why Luke seemingly largely only signs nearly underage women to record deals.

Why did he seek out Kesha at barely 18-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Doja at 17-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Becky G at 16-years-old to sign a record deal?

Even now, Snow Wife signed her record deal with Amigo Records as 18-years-old.

Why is a white male producer - largely out-casted by the white female superstars of his industry for being a misogynist at best and rapist at worst - preying on young WOC? And why is this the kind of person Katy Perry is willing to bet everything her career has stood for up until now on?

I'm so tired of this ****. Why do you keep acting like I AM a Dr. Luke stan simply because he is associated with Katy now? I have little knowledge over his history with female artists. Why do you assume that I know these things solely because of the fact I like Katy Perry? Do you know all the ins and outs of the producers of your favorite artist???

I don't ******* stan Dr. Luke so have this discussion with someone who actually does actively support HIM as a person and his actions. My stance on Dr. Luke has been clear for months now. I don't think it's fair to blame the artists he works with for his alleged actions/behavior. Yes theres certainly room to criticize them for choosing to work with him but you and a few others keep taking it out of proportion every single day with these outlandish posts. I don't actually condone his actions. I just like Katy Perry. I don't see what's so difficult about understanding that. Go talk this **** with Alfred or his dupes ff

July 8

24 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm disregarding your whataboutism because this man is a white sex-pest who predatorily sought out young women of color to wield power over in his bid to become a a celebrity producer after continually budding heads with his veteran white female peers of his own age:

If you care about black women and other WOC, or even just care about Doja Cat, you too would take issue with him trying to both exploit women of color and use them as stepping stones to re-normalize himself in an industry after being blacklisted by the biggest names of pop for committing sexual violence against women.

Again, you cannot defend Katy by trying to suggest innuendo over the reality that Katy has a bigger legacy in pop than Doja as a rapper does, and thus Katy's co-sign on Luke's return means more than others', let alone in an attempt to defend a man like Luke who continually undermines Doja via actions like discrediting her work and demanding publishing on work she has said she's the sole writer or producer on.

If you want to talk about Doja Cat, I think we should talk about why Luke seemingly largely only signs nearly underage women to record deals.

Why did he seek out Kesha at barely 18-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Doja at 17-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Becky G at 16-years-old to sign a record deal?

Even now, Snow Wife signed her record deal with Amigo Records at 18-years-old.

Why is a white male producer - largely out-casted by the white female superstars of his industry for being a misogynist at best and rapist at worst - preying on young WOC? And why is this the kind of person Katy Perry is willing to bet everything her career has stood for up until now on?

I think you've invented scenarios in your head that no one can actually prove... like I can easily spin this as him working with and developing young minority talent and giving them a shot at a record deal. Record companies look for young talent every single day to develop or sign, it's not him "preying on young WOC" it's him doing his job and trying to be more equitable in the process unlike some of the bigger labels. I'm not trying to compliment him here, his allegations with Kesha were serious and that can't be disregarded, but it's much more complicated than "he potentially did something really bad therefore every business decision he's made before and after are equally as bad"... that's not how things work.

As you probably already know, since you appear to be obsessed with this man, he gave Kim Petras a shot when no one else would in the industry, and used his own money to develop and produce for her while expecting nothing back. Ask her if she thinks he was "preying" on her. People keep working with this man because they... shocker... LIKE working with him. People who have zero affiliation to his label *want* to work with him and continue to do so even despite the allegations. Why do you think that is? There are plenty of great pop producers to go to, and he's not cheap, so why him?

Edited July 8 by Archetype

July 8

27 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm disregarding your whataboutism because this man is a white sex-pest who predatorily sought out young women of color to wield power over in his bid to become a a celebrity producer after continually budding heads with his veteran white female peers of his own age:

If you care about black women and other WOC, or even just care about Doja Cat, you too would take issue with him trying to both exploit women of color and use them as stepping stones to re-normalize himself in an industry after being blacklisted by the biggest names of pop for committing sexual violence against women.

Again, you cannot defend Katy by trying to suggest innuendo over the reality that Katy has a bigger legacy in pop than Doja as a rapper does, and thus Katy's co-sign on Luke's return means more than others', let alone in an attempt to defend a man like Luke who continually undermines Doja via actions like discrediting her work and demanding publishing on work she has said she's the sole writer or producer on.

If you want to talk about Doja Cat, I think we should talk about why Luke seemingly largely only signs nearly underage women to record deals.

Why did he seek out Kesha at barely 18-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Doja at 17-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Becky G at 16-years-old to sign a record deal?

Even now, Snow Wife signed her record deal with Amigo Records at 18-years-old.

Why is a white male producer - largely out-casted by the white female superstars of his industry for being a misogynist at best and rapist at worst - preying on young WOC? And why is this the kind of person Katy Perry is willing to bet everything her career has stood for up until now on?

You literally shake your fist at the sky and yell out Dr Luke every time it rains sis

July 8

Let's just all say we hate Katy Perry together and wrap it up

July 8

31 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm disregarding your whataboutism because this man is a white sex-pest who predatorily sought out young women of color to wield power over in his bid to become a a celebrity producer after continually budding heads with his veteran white female peers of his own age:

If you care about black women and other WOC, or even just care about Doja Cat, you too would take issue with him trying to both exploit women of color and use them as stepping stones to re-normalize himself in an industry after being blacklisted by the biggest names of pop for committing sexual violence against women.

Again, you cannot defend Katy by trying to suggest innuendo over the reality that Katy has a bigger legacy in pop than Doja as a rapper does, and thus Katy's co-sign on Luke's return means more than others', let alone in an attempt to defend a man like Luke who continually undermines Doja via actions like discrediting her work and demanding publishing on work she has said she's the sole writer or producer on.

If you want to talk about Doja Cat, I think we should talk about why Luke seemingly largely only signs nearly underage women to record deals.

Why did he seek out Kesha at barely 18-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Doja at 17-years-old to sign a record deal?

Why did he seek out Becky G at 16-years-old to sign a record deal?

Even now, Snow Wife signed her record deal with Amigo Records at 18-years-old.

Why is a white male producer - largely out-casted by the white female superstars of his industry for being a misogynist at best and rapist at worst - preying on young WOC? And why is this the kind of person Katy Perry is willing to bet everything her career has stood for up until now on?

And for the record. I solely talked about your poor analysis and disregard of black people in pop. That is not a defense of Dr. Luke. Literally read back my posts. Cause this whole entire post is so misplaced as a response towards me. As I don't even support Dr. Luke's actions. Reading comprehension.

July 8

29 minutes ago, Archetype said:

like I can easily spin this as him working with and developing young minority talent and giving them a shot at a record deal.

I mean, you could try to "spin" it this way, but then the fact that Doja Cat has spoken out against him for taking publishing for songs he did not work on and that Becky G literally sued him for stealing money from her would run counter-intuitive to that narrative. This is why this contrarian argument style doesn't work.

"Oh, you think Dr. Luke is a bad person? Well what if I turned around and said I think he's a good person!?!?".

Well, one argument has evidence and the other does not.

Please go through and answer each of the below:

Is Kesha a liar?
Is Kelly Clarkson a liar?
Is P!nk a liar?
Is Doja a liar?
Is Becky G a liar?
Is J Kash a liar?
Is Ammo a liar?

29 minutes ago, Archetype said:

People keep working with this man because they... shocker... LIKE working with him

I mea, yes, that's the core argument of this issue. People who like and support rapists are enabling rapists. If you wanna cap for a rapist, own being pro-rapist? :michael:

"Maybe people like working with him???" I mean, the people who work with him are also literally those mocking the woman he raped:

Also, for someone who is seemingly trying to gotcha someone, I think you might need to do a bit more research:

29 minutes ago, Archetype said:

he gave Kim Petras a shot when no one else would in the industry

Edited July 8 by Communion

July 8

Was nobody ever slightly worried this was part of the deal.

July 8

17 minutes ago, Stunnah said:

You literally shake your fist at the sky and yell out Dr Luke every time it rains sis

Yes, someone who is believed to have raped a woman should be ostracized. You're going to have to live with most people holding this view no matter how much you like him.

32 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

I'm so tired of this ****. Why do you keep acting like I AM a Dr. Luke stan simply because he is associated with Katy now?

You engaged with this conversation - I didn't quote you - by trying to defend Katy working with him.

You attempted this via a bad faith argument that somehow denies the reality that Luke getting a co-sign to return to music by a female pop singer who had multiple #1 hits with him before 2014 holds more cultural cache and importance than him working with the female rapper who he has contractually forced to work with him on their pop crossover hits.

You can enjoy whatever you want. Sit there in silence and bop to the music. No one's gonna hack your Spotify and take away your free will.

But when you engage in rhetoric that ultimately serves the purpose to downplay or dismiss the reality of what Katy is doing, you're at the end of the day defending an accused rapist.

July 8

3 hours ago, Katycat said:

Ig it is true.... Capitol got Kim on Unholy with Sam Smith... But ngl That song was carried by Sam's rebrand and fame...

It got carried by being viral on tiktok :rip:

July 8

Happy for Kim. She's a huge KP fan :heart2:

July 8

Oh, that's-

:rip:

July 8

Girl wants to collab with Kim Petras? I like her music but damn Katy really wants another flop era huh

July 8

29 minutes ago, Communion said:

You engaged with this conversation - I didn't quote you - by trying to defend Katy working with him.

I engaged in your post because you dismissed Doja Cat as a pop star and I questioned if this could be a racially stimulated conclusion or micro agression. In doing so, I argued that you are disregarding her as a top 40 singer, as black artists can both be rappers and pop stars simultaneously.

That was where I engaged the conversation in and you know this because it happened one page ago.

Then I asked you what motive you have by boxing a black pop star into a "rapper" label, (thus doing so showing a complete disregard for black women in pop) and your response was a completely misplaced post painting me as someone who actively defends Dr. Luke's past behavior for exploiting female artists. I wasn't even talking about that man.

That didn't have anything to do with my question where I engaged in the conversation with. And "bad faith" is thin air sis. You don't know my motive. You still haven't responded. Maybe next time when someone asks you to not disregard pop music in this problematic "oh shes black its hip hop music" label (artists like Tyler, the Creator have also spoken out about this) come with a proper response.

Edited July 8 by KatyPrismSpirit

July 8

14 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

"oh shes black its hip hop music"

This is literally the view of Dr. Luke given his venture into working with artists who identify as rappers or outside of being pop stars came following his expulsion from female pop music given the revelation that he raped Kesha.

You're hoping to conflate observation of a reality for endorsement of a view but you simply do not possess the vernacular to pull off this argument.

And thus everyone can easily see the true motivation is deflection to answering for Katy wanting to be the first female pop star to welcome back the return of her friend of 20 years.

No matter what you do. No matter how you try to deflect. Katy is going to have to answer to endorsing what Luke did to Kesha no matter how much that "ruins your enjoyment" of her era. If I was you, I'd be mad that my fave is ruining my experience as a fan by embedding herself and her legacy within the defense of a rapist.

July 8

Dr. Luke, Trisha Paytas, Kim Petras. this just gets worse & worse, atp she's doing this on purpose so the gays don't ask her for another album ever again :lmao:

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