celeb news BBC: Taylor Swift's the biggest musical phenomenon since "80s heyday of Madonna & MJ"

[Aethereal]

She is in US for sure. But a huge proportion of her international streams come from markets that did not have huge sales back in the 90s or 80s and they could come any part of the world. And when it comes to actual sales, there is shipping, creating the product, more costly (and back then the world was much poorer), promo etc. It's apple and oranges.

[Pinkbutterflies]

Theres no doubt about it. She has been dominating since her debut.

[JorgeM]

Anyone who lives or visit a city where she is touring knows that is true. I have never seen nothing like what I saw in Madrid and now in Edinburgh 

[Velvet Night]

At this point, anyone who thinks she isn't in the league of MJ and Madonna, success-wise is just living in their own universe of denial lol

[Mirtilo]

To think that both Madonna and Michael not only were successful, but also revolutionized popular culture with their talent and innovation spirit, and now we have Taylor Swift, who is only successful 

[Rep2000]

2 hours ago, on the line said:

Oh, another ATRLer using race as a derogatory remark. How...groundbreaking!

And what race do you think that atrler is? 

They just love to project stuffs.

[Avenger]

We get it, now get over it. 

[Blackout2006]

Why does everyone ignore the peaks of behemoth artists such as Celine Dion? She had three 20+ million studio album sellers back to back and released 'My Heart Will Go On' at what was already the prime of her career. Her peak between 1993-1998 was unworldly and she was one of the most global artists, especially in Asia and Europe. She is a golden example of a globally relevant artist. Such achievements cannot be easily stomped upon. 

Edited June 7 by Blackout2006

[Bethenny Frankel]

britney and gaga were bigger 

[Blackout2006]

2 hours ago, Aethereal said:

She is in US for sure. But a huge proportion of her international streams come from markets that did not have huge sales back in the 90s or 80s and they could come any part of the world. 

That's what I'm saying. There's a scale of intrinsic accuracy that is higher when being applied to one country sans the US (which is also the biggest music market), rather than the entire world. We simply cannot compare the global music market of the 1950s-2000s to what it is now. This is why this constant search for an artist who is "the biggest since MJ/Madonna" is fruitless because we live in the most informed age. You simply look up the name of an artist you may not be familiar with and listen to their music on Spotify. That's not how the case was back then. You had to be so monumental that people who may not have a TV, or music player at home were familiar with who you were because they heard of you from friends, saw you on a poster, noticed your name on the headlines, or heard one of your songs. That's not enough though. You had to personify a bubble of rarity, glamour, and stardom that enamoured someone or caught their eyes. You had to be so good to compel someone to beg their parents to drive them to the closest music store and purchase a copy of your album with their allowance or money. 

 

It is why MJ selling 60+ million copies, Madonna/Mariah/Celine/Whitney 30+ million copies, and Britney 25+ million copies is something of sheer levels that is not grasped properly as displayed on sites like this where I see such gigantic records be disparaged regularly. This was how it was for the course of a good six decades but everything rapidly shifted in just fifteen years. Taylor is a musical phenomenon indeed. She is the biggest of the past few years, and it's going to be this way for a long while. Yet, implying she was bigger than a series of artists in the 1990s and 2000s who had to surpass innumerable barriers to weave the legacies they enjoy today couldn't feel less disingenuous and silly.

Edited June 7 by Blackout2006

[Gorjesspazze9]

It's true. A year ago I would have called swifties delusional. But you kinda can't deny it after this year

She just keeps getting bigger every month… still. She is like what Britney & Eminem were for me growing up. And what MJ & Madonna were for my parents.

Edited June 7 by Gorjesspazze9

[Inverted]

I don't care for her at all, but it's true. Singles, albums, tour, media coverage, A-List recognition, sizeable fanbase, etc.

[bliaz]

A worthy representation of the current generation 

[Aethereal]

2 hours ago, Blackout2006 said:

That's what I'm saying. There's a scale of intrinsic accuracy that is higher when being applied to one country sans the US (which is also the biggest music market), rather than the entire world. We simply cannot compare the global music market of the 1950s-2000s to what it is now. This is why this constant search for an artist who is "the biggest since MJ/Madonna" is fruitless because we live in the most informed age. You simply look up the name of an artist you may not be familiar with and listen to their music on Spotify. That's not how the case was back then. You had to be so monumental that people who may not have a TV, or music player at home were familiar with who you were because they heard of you from friends, saw you on a poster, noticed your name on the headlines, or heard one of your songs. That's not enough though. You had to personify a bubble of rarity, glamour, and stardom that enamoured someone or caught their eyes. You had to be so good to compel someone to beg their parents to drive them to the closest music store and purchase a copy of your album with their allowance or money. 

 

It is why MJ selling 60+ million copies, Madonna/Mariah/Celine/Whitney 30+ million copies, and Britney 25+ million copies is something of sheer levels that is not grasped properly as displayed on sites like this where I see such gigantic records be disparaged regularly. This was how it was for the course of a good six decades but everything rapidly shifted in just fifteen years. Taylor is a musical phenomenon indeed. She is the biggest of the past few years, and it's going to be this way for a long while. Yet, implying she was bigger than a series of artists in the 1990s and 2000s who had to surpass innumerable barriers to weave the legacies they enjoy today couldn't feel less disingenuous and silly.

Well Taylor has eclipsed Britney. You only need to count her OFFICIAL units from Anglosphere and she will be above Britney.

While, Madonna and especially MJ are a different story.

[UnusualBoy]

Not sure why people keep denying this, she's winning in EVERY department: touring, sales, units, acclaim, all that while being very deep into her career. 

[Mike91]

On 6/7/2024 at 8:08 AM, DevilsRollTheDice said:

And you need to step back into the nursing home!

 

 

OT: Yes, Taylor, yes biggest artist of all time. 

Just now seeing this, but I wasn't even born during that time and know it's not comparable. 

[campelo]

I like Taylor but Madonna and MJ they contributed for the pop culture as a whole, Taylor is mega popular but I don't get the feeling she is leaving an everlasting impact in all spheres of the culture, like in the music industry, in fashion, in the audiovisual, in performances etc. 

 

She is having a heavily successful era but with no impact as I mentioned 

[Outlaws]

 

[ttsmu]

 

Madonna's signature hits: Like a Prayer, Vogue, Like a Virgin, Material Girl, La Isla Bonita, Ray of Light, Hung Up...

 

Michael Jackson signatures hits: Thriller, Billie Jean, Black And White, Smooth Criminal, Beat It...

 

Taylor has: Cruel Summer, Blank Space and 20 variants of her latest album.

 

 

Edited June 11 by ttsmu

[StayFrosty]

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Unlike Beyoncé and Madonna's recent tours, where the driving thesis seemed to be, "cast your eyes upon these divine beings, in whose presence you must bow down", the Eras tour is more like a celebration: "Hey you guys, we did this together!"

 

You know what? They're kinda right here. I miss the old beyonce.

Edited June 11 by StayFrosty

[WildHeart]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Patient Zero]

These ar all 10 days old.

 

Why would you post them now? Are you insecure about the recent negative articles?

 

Don't worry, Taylor will release more variants and remain #1. Since that's what most important to you swifties.

Edited June 16 by Patient Zero

[YellowRibbon]

1 minute ago, Patient Zero said:

These ar all 10 days old.

 

Why would you post them now? Are you insecure about the recent negative articles?

Here's your obsessed a** once again 

 

Do you want a cookie?

 

OT: Yes Taylor, yes acclaim 

Edited June 16 by YellowRibbon

[Jay07]

Not the Daily Mail. I see someone got triggered.

[iamanearthling]

Oh Taylor. Only fitting for the most impactful tour of recent years.