tetrachord Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Girl, she's bisexual lol. Lady Gaga made a career out of being supposedly bisexual. There's nothing shocking about it. I don't think gaga has released anything quite as explicitly gay as this album. Especially not diaristically. Not to play gay-olympics. I don't think it's about being shocking but representation.
CandleGuy Posted May 22 Posted May 22 10 minutes ago, period sis said: I was just about to post something like this It's crazy how that fanbase thinks a general statement that was towards the ENTIRE industry (including herself) was a dig at Taylor, to the point where her being blocked by Taylor's evidently obvious tactics is "TayVoOdOO11!!!!11" and "KaRmA is A CaT11!!" I think the more interesting discussion is, did Taylor herself interpret Billie's comments as an attack on her and did she pull this random voice memo stunt to flex her power and purposefully block Billie as retaliation? Or is this just a random coincidence?
punisher Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said: And so os Billie. Her being a bisexual woman doesn't make it anymore impressive, like that other user was trying to imply with the "how many queer artists..." crap lol i mean it is more impressive because on this album she's singing to a female love interest
period sis Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, CandleGuy said: I think the more interesting discussion is, did Taylor herself interpret Billie's comments as an attack on her and did she pull this random voice memo stunt to flex her power and purposefully block Billie as retaliation? Or is this just a random coincidence? I never want to actually think Taylor is this devil woman most of her detractors paint her to be. Still, she does things like this (don't forget she pulled this stunt with sza during SOS, and of course the Olivia debacle) that makes it look really pointed and targeted. The voice memo thing could've been a coincidence, but the pushing forward of the ship dates of those new TTPD CDs to be THIS week specifically (instead of next week as it was originally advertised) kind of confirms she's out for Billie :/ which is unfortunate for Billie that a random statement can trigger such a response from someone who paints themself as a perpetual victim and an "everyone is out to get me!!" image. 7 1
The Music Industry Posted May 22 Posted May 22 ATRL acting like Taylor is only #1 because of tactics to boost pure sales when the reality of the situation is that she was also #1 in terms of streaming units 9 2
PoisonedIvy Posted May 22 Posted May 22 The queer card being pulled is kinda pathetic ngl but I don't have a dog in that fight 11 1
Strawberry Bubble Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Guys, I'm very confused. I know it's cool to follow some beef in the industry, but Taylor has always done the same when big artists start releasing their music—she did it with Drake and SZA. I don't think this is a shady move at all; her team is just trying to maximize her weeks at the top. I don't think Taylor is even aware of this 'battle.
Strawberry Bubble Posted May 22 Posted May 22 10 minutes ago, CandleGuy said: I think the more interesting discussion is, did Taylor herself interpret Billie's comments as an attack on her and did she pull this random voice memo stunt to flex her power and purposefully block Billie as retaliation? Or is this just a random coincidence? It's not a random coincidence, just a marketing move. This is business, not a personal attack, at least in my opinion. One of the biggest artists in the world is releasing her new album, and Taylor wants to maintain her album's momentum." 1
Rama Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Always got strong OGH vibes from Billie so you know what? Whack her Taylor, whack her for me 4 1 3 2 3
AngelSwift13 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 3 hours ago, TayGod said: But also, 5th week versus 1st week. If you are going to compare, compare 1st week versus 1st week and the story will be different. In the first week, The Tortured Poets Department including the anthology did 84,194 units per track... and if you do the math with the pure sales using ONLY physicals so you know it's only counting the standard 16 track album you get 102,500 units per track before you even factor in streaming... 1
Colmillo Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, RideOrDie said: If artists like Lana or Taylor didn't exist and didn't go through the struggles they experienced by the public and media, young female nepo baby songwriters like Billie who blew up with social media doing bedroom pop music would not be getting respected and winning such prestigious awards with their first albums. Lana and Taylor got hated so hard so that artists like Billie can be loved and respected from day 1. She would not be anywhere near the same status if she was older and tried to debut like before Lana and Taylor's trials and tribulations, she would have been so clowned by the media and GP. Even Lorde got flack in her debut era just so Billie can do whatever the **** she wants I understand the Lana and Lorde comparisons, but Taylor? I don't think Billie owes anything to Taylor tbh 3
Colmillo Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, EvanT said: You should ask Billie, cause Taylor was the youngest person to win Album of the Year at the Grammys, benefiting younger artists to be respected as singer-songwriters. As Billie herself said about Taylor's speech: — Taylor: "Somewhere right now, your future Woman of the Year is probably sitting in a piano lesson or in a girls' choir, and today, right now, we need to take care of her." — Billie: "I was 11 at the time, and I was in a choir, and I was learning to play piano. You took care of me, so thank you." Not to mention Taylor's marketing and releasing strategies, like releasing full albums with no previous singles, which Billie followed with this new album... Taylor wasn't the first to release an album without any singles tho I just don't see how Taylor opened any doors for Billie when they couldn't be more different music-wise, style-wise, etc. 5
period sis Posted May 22 Posted May 22 9 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: ATRL acting like Taylor is only #1 because of tactics to boost pure sales when the reality of the situation is that she was also #1 in terms of streaming units I mean yeah but this is literally only gonna go #1 because of the tactics... you don't just increase over 90k units because of streaming lol. 3
Trent W Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, tetrachord said: its more about allowing someone their much deserved spotlight, and the positive change that can come from supporting young talent in an already detrimentally hyper-competitive industry that Taylor is clearly aware of in, 'Clara Bow.' Taylor doesn't owe anyone anything, there is literally no reason why she should let anyone take the shine away from her project I think HMHAS is a much better album than TTDP but Taylor is older and in a misogynistic and ageist industry she's at disadvantage Billie is a white younger woman and could replace Taylor in any wrong move. Some of you need to understand how the music industry works, it's one or the other The market never embraces 2 similar women at the same time. Edited May 22 by Trent W 1
woohoo Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said: Calling upon basically every fandom in existence to try and topple one artist Is Taylor the Thanos of Pop? We're gonna need some mightier avengers if so Of everything in this thread this TOOK ME OUT. They might as well @ the US military, NASA, the Pope, and the magas who think Taylor is gonna birth the antichrist to get the job done. This has been the best time to be a swiftie. It feels very liberating for all of 2016. Stomp on them all Taylor at every turn. Dig ya heel into their necks. 6 1 3 1
Walk_Away21 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said: LIKE CLOCKWORK Then they are calling Taylor / TTPD a flop when its easily clearing Billie in Taylor's 5th week LMAO 4
woohoo Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Just now, Walk_Away21 said: LIKE CLOCKWORK Then they are calling Taylor / TTPD a flop when its easily clearing Billie in Taylor's 5th week LMAO I was told it would be a front loaded critically panned flop. And it's pushing 4 million units into week 6.
A Million Lights Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Dangerously: 13w B'Day: 9w Sasha: 17w 4: 10w BEYONCÉ: 12w Lemonade: 17w Renaissance: 14w I know it can rebound but CC leaving the top 10 in just 6 weeks is kinda disappointing considering how big is Texas
PoisonedIvy Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, A Million Lights said: Dangerously: 13w B'Day: 9w Sasha: 17w 4: 10w BEYONCÉ: 12w Lemonade: 17w Renaissance: 14w I know it can rebound but CC leaving the top 10 in just 6 weeks is kinda disappointing considering how big is Texas It's Bey's fault embracing a completely absentee method of promotion Hopefully something can pull a CUFF IT —> REN Tour and kinda breathe some life back into the era for a bit but I ain't holding my breath
Starchild Posted May 22 Posted May 22 49 minutes ago, Revel said: @Starchild It is hilarious that you are acting all superior while on a pop music forum. That's such big loser energy. We are all here for kiis and discuss pop culture. We all have faves and artists who we dislike. Deal with it! Then stop bitching and crying about downvotes then? It's a pop forum isn't it? Y'all have the biggest loser energy and yea ill keep acting high and mighty, thank you for the useless input 2 3
enchanted0 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Badgalbriel said: The accuracy you guys are so pathetic really. At least we stay winning 7 2 3 5
Starchild Posted May 22 Posted May 22 @Hector obsessively downvoting everything 10x even more than me 1 7
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