charts discussion HDD: 'TORTURED POETS' to debut at #1 with 2.60M units | 1.92M pure sales & 671k SEA

[family.guy123]

2 hours ago, Kitboga said:

Yes it's that impressive. 1 million vinyls are with $4 million  dollars without shipping, which is much higher than what Adele made with her 3.5M units, given more than half of that were cheap ass iTunes digitals. 
 

and I'm sure $4m dollars worth of albums will take your fave 1-3 years to earn, pending how how flopped he/she is. so cope harder. 

BB200 is not a revenue chart though, despite what some users would like you to believe. 
 

Who cares how much a vinyl cost if it's not being listened to? If the BB200 measured how much money is donated each week via pure sales, Taylor would never leave #1. 

[MardinBeksloy]

Knowing almost half of Adele 3.5M were iTunes 10$ digital album makes this achievement even better  

[CaptainMusic]

Wow at some Swifties belittling Adele's 3.4M million sales because of iTunes downloads like it was so easy to pull those numbers.

 

It's the all time record for a reason.

[Kitboga]

On 4/21/2024 at 11:06 PM, CaptainMusic said:

Wow at some Swifties belittling Adele's 3.4M million sales because of iTunes downloads like it was so easy to pull those numbers.

 

It's the all time record for a reason.

Nobody is saying it was "easy" because they're iTunes downloads. Just pointing out that a vinyl is 4-5x the cost of a iTunes download 

Edited April 26 by Kitboga

[CaptainMusic]

18 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Nobody is saying it was "easy" because they're iTunes downloads. Just that toys probably not worth nearly as much as a vinyl which is 4-5x the cost of a iTunes download 

Vinyls were basically extinct when 25 was released, we don't know how many of those people who bought the CD/iTunes download would've bought the vinyl instead if the vinyl revival happened earlier and they had the choice.

 

Either way it's irrelevant as the Billboard 200 is not a revenue chart, the final sales is what matters. 

[Kitboga]

1 hour ago, CaptainMusic said:

Vinyls were basically extinct when 25 was released, we don't know how many of those people who bought the CD/iTunes download would've bought the vinyl instead if the vinyl revival happened earlier and they had the choice.

 

Either way it's irrelevant as the Billboard 200 is not a revenue chart, the final sales is what matters. 

You understand that the huge boom in vinyl sales right now is precisely because CDs and iTunes sales are dead and only the pop stars with a big stan base like Taylor, harry styles and such are buying them for Stanning and collecting purposes, right?
 

Did you think vinyls would just magically become huge While most people were buying iTunes and CDs?.. Events are correlated, they don't just randomly happen in a vacuum. 
 

 

 

Edited April 22 by Kitboga

[Kitboga]

1 hour ago, CaptainMusic said:.

 

Either way it's irrelevant as the Billboard 200 is not a revenue chart, the final sales is what matters. 

Anyhow, as for your last point, literally nobody is saying ~2M vinyls should beat 3.5m cds and itunes. Just that 2m vinyls are hugely impressive even though it comes quite short of 3.5m still. 

[CaptainMusic]

14 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

You understand that the huge boom in vinyl sales right now is precisely because CDs and iTunes sales are dead and only the pop stars with a big stan base like Taylor, harry styles and such are buying them for Stanning and collecting purposes, right?
 

Did you think vinyls would just magically become huge While most people were buying iTunes and CDs?.. Events are correlated, they don't just randomly happen in a vacuum. 
 

 

 

Umm I'm aware of that, my point was that if 25 was released in this sales climate we have no idea how much vinyls it would've sold, but considering 30 was the best (or 2nd best) selling vinyl in 2021 it's safe to say 25 would've still sold a large amount of vinyls with the hype it had, with or without a large fan base. 

As I said before, Adele stans used to be the same saying stuff like 25 would sold 10M first week if it was released in the early 2000s due to the sales decline when that's ridiculous and you just can't compare markets like that.

 

Both first week sales are impressive so there's no need to put down Adele's first week sales by belittling the (record breaking) iTunes sales and acting like she sold them for 99 cents.  

[Feanor]

[getinthezone]

7 hours ago, MardinBeksloy said:

Knowing almost half of Adele 3.5M were iTunes 10$ digital album makes this achievement even better  

no it doesnt

[Green]

1 hour ago, CaptainMusic said:

Umm I'm aware of that, my point was that if 25 was released in this sales climate we have no idea how much vinyls it would've sold, but considering 30 was the best (or 2nd best) selling vinyl in 2021 it's safe to say 25 would've still sold a large amount of vinyls with the hype it had, with or without a large fan base. 

As I said before, Adele stans used to be the same saying stuff like 25 would sold 10M first week if it was released in the early 2000s due to the sales decline when that's ridiculous and you just can't compare markets like that.

 

Both first week sales are impressive so there's no need to put down Adele's first week sales by belittling the (record breaking) iTunes sales and acting like she sold them for 99 cents.  

 

Exactly. They are talking as if Taylor herself wasn't releasing music around that time when itunes sales was relevant. Are they going to call 1989's 2014 itunes sales cheap too? If it was that easy why the massive 1989 didn't sell 3.4 million copies the first week too?   That album wasn't on streaming neither.

[Green]

1 hour ago, Feanor said:

They are saying the same thing they said 2 days ago   

 

 

[Meev]

1 hour ago, Green said:

 

Exactly. They are talking as if Taylor herself wasn't releasing music around that time when itunes sales was relevant. Are they going to call 1989's 2014 itunes sales cheap too? If it was that easy why the massive 1989 didn't sell 3.4 million copies the first week too?   That album wasn't on streaming neither.

That's because 2014 Taylor is not as massive as 2015 Adele, or 2024 Taylor. I believe that 2+ mil units is more impressive than 3.4 mil units in 2015, just as I believe that having 7x 1+ mil weeks is more impressive than a 3+ mil week and 2x 1+ mil weeks.

[americanshameless]

3 hours ago, Kitboga said:

You understand that the huge boom in vinyl sales right now is precisely because CDs and iTunes sales are dead and only the pop stars with a big stan base like Taylor, harry styles and such are buying them for Stanning and collecting purposes, right?

So what you're saying is everybody bought 25 for actual listening purposes while the other for.. decoration?  

[Funnyfatty]

Wtf are those people discussing about? If vinyls were as popular when Adele released, she would have a 4m debut

[Funnyfatty]

9 minutes ago, Meev said:

That's because 2014 Taylor is not as massive as 2015 Adele, or 2024 Taylor. I believe that 2+ mil units is more impressive than 3.4 mil units in 2015, just as I believe that having 7x 1+ mil weeks is more impressive than a 3+ mil week and 2x 1+ mil weeks.

Who cares about what you believe in

 

TAYLOR IS NOT COMING CLOSE TO ADELE. 

[Raspberries]

7 minutes ago, americanshameless said:

So what you're saying is everybody bought 25 for actual listening purposes while the other for.. decoration?  

Because she kept it off streaming as a marketing ploy  How else were they supposed to listen

[Green]

35 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Because she kept it off streaming as a marketing ploy  How else were they supposed to listen

 

Just like 1989 and reputation

[Raspberries]

22 minutes ago, Green said:

 

Just like 1989 and reputation

Her entire catalog was off of Spotify for 1989. Adele's was not

 

But yes, rep was. But rep Taylor was nowhere near where she is now or 25 Adele so that is irrelevant

[Green]

27 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Her entire catalog was off of Spotify for 1989. Adele's was not

 

But yes, rep was. But rep Taylor was nowhere near where she is now or 25 Adele so that is irrelevant

 

So? The point is still the same. 1989 wasn't on streaming so where would you listen to 1989 if it wasn't buying it?

[Avenger]

people pressed about Adele 3M+ record like it was easy, the excuses are too much here 

[Ichinaru19]

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

Because she kept it off streaming as a marketing ploy  How else were they supposed to listen

Taylor's use of "exclusive" (marketed as released for only a certain period of time but then is later routinely released over and over again) and unique (different album cover and bonus songs) vinyl variants is a marketing ploy. Keeping an album off streaming services is a risky move, there was no guarantee it would actually translate into actual sales.

[WildHeart]

2 hours ago, Funnyfatty said:

If vinyls were as popular when Adele released, she would have a 4m debut

If vinyl were as popular as now, digital sales would be as dead as now too. What type of logic 

 

2 hours ago, americanshameless said:

So what you're saying is everybody bought 25 for actual listening purposes while the other for.. decoration?  

Looking at her Spotify streams, more than 3.5M people listen her album one way or another 

Edited April 22 by WildHeart

[Popboi.]

2 hours ago, Funnyfatty said:

Wtf are those people discussing about? If vinyls were as popular when Adele released, she would have a 4m debut

No, cause digital sales are absolutely dead now and that was the core of Adele's opening. You can't get the vinyl sales expectation and ignore the loss of the other.

[Raspberries]

55 minutes ago, Ichinaru19 said:

Taylor's use of "exclusive" (marketed as released for only a certain period of time but then is later routinely released over and over again) and unique (different album cover and bonus songs) vinyl variants is a marketing ploy. Keeping an album off streaming services is a risky move, there was no guarantee it would actually translate into actual sales.

You aren't very smart are you? Every album gets vinyl variants. Poets has 5 (4 different covers + Target exclusive). That is very low. Billie's upcoming album has 9, Dua has like 13, SOUR and GUTS both had 10+ etc. It is an industry standard  

 

Adele's 30 had multiple variants too. I'm sure you can find them at your local Dollar General

Edited April 22 by Raspberries