Headlock Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: I don't know much about them, I just find all these artists bland and boring for the most part. So… you agree, using them as a thesis is moot because you yourself don’t find them relevant 1 12
Taylor fanboy Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Ash12345 said: Eminem's angsty music is still smashing enough for him to be one of the biggest artists on the annual IFPI charts despite not having a significant album for 10 years. I don't see why Taylor won't be to 90s-00s born women what Eminem was to Millennial men, especially since her body of work is larger, more consistent and more successful. IMO Taylor will smash for the rest of the decade, and keep cruising and accumulating large numbers of units into the 2030s-2040s. It's just conservation of momentum at this point. Hey sis welcome back! 2
Jjang Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, Headlock said: Neither of those artists are relevant to this thread, you have created your own goalpost Taylor not having the same inter-generational appeal of The Beatles (to you) doesn’t mean she doesn’t have any inter-generational appeal at all which is... precisely what I'm saying. I've been mass-quoted by dozens of Swifties because I replied to a Swiftie saying she's the biggest artist of all time (which, btw, includes artists like MJ and The Beatles!) But for some reason, you guys always want to feel like you are fighting a winning case or whatnot when it's simply my opinion. Let it go.
GraceRandolph Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Headlock said: And also a decade after her debut, what’s not clicking. She’s the biggest artist in the world almost two decades into her career, is continuing to find new listeners and fans, and is showing no signs of settling down. What is popular, or what the majority of the population agrees on can fluctuate. At one point it was more popular to view the Earth as flat. Presidential popularity can swing drastically, and pop stars can suffer from overexposure or just general changes in trends. It's very possible the popularity of Taylor declines, or she suffers backlash. 2
Solaria Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) I don’t understand this narrative that has been created that you are only relevant when you’re at the absolutely tippity top. Like Gaga, Beyoncé, Britney, Rihanna are all A-List household names and are also known by multiple generations. Does that mean they are not relevant? Edited December 25, 2023 by Love Again 1 2
littlebodybigheart Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: What is popular, or what the majority of the population agrees on can fluctuate. At one point it was more popular to view the Earth as flat. Presidential popularity can swing drastically, and pop stars can suffer from overexposure or just general changes in trends. It's very possible the popularity of Taylor declines, or she suffers backlash. taylor could sell 0 albums from here on out and she’s still gonna be remembered as one of the most important musicians of all time. especially in 20 years time. stop the foolishness. 2 8
WildHeart Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: I don't know much about them, I just find all these artists bland and boring for the most part. Seems like that's a good indication. I fear we should be more worried about artists you find exciting 1 4
Headlock Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jjang said: which is... precisely what I'm saying. I've been mass-quoted by dozens of Swifties because I replied to a Swiftie saying she's the biggest artist of all time (which, btw, includes artists like MJ and The Beatles!) But for some reason, you guys always want to feel like you are fighting a winning case or whatnot when it's simply my opinion. Let it go. And therefore that’s their opinion? Seems you can dish it but can’t take it 1 2
Headlock Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: What is popular, or what the majority of the population agrees on can fluctuate. At one point it was more popular to view the Earth as flat. Presidential popularity can swing drastically, and pop stars can suffer from overexposure or just general changes in trends. It's very possible the popularity of Taylor declines, or she suffers backlash. Again, y’all have been saying this, and it ain’t been happening At a certain point you will have to modify your thesis to reflect the reality of her career. 1
Jjang Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Headlock said: And therefore that’s their opinion? Seems you can dish it but can’t take it I don't know which conversation you're reading but the ones jumping on one member in the dozens for saying she's not the biggest artist of all time are kinda the sensitive ones that can't take it. We've seen Taylor fans "clock" other members here daily who dare to say she's not the biggest female, but when the roles are reversed suddenly it's about being pressed? lol. Just face the fact that nothing I said was wrong or even out of line and you guys are just overprotective of anything said about Taylor that is not 100% positive lol. I still stand by my opinion that it's delusional to claim she's bigger, or will be, bigger than The Beatles. Edited December 25, 2023 by Jjang 3
elincomprendid Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Jjang said: People could actually name you specific Beatles songs that changed the trajectory and the way we listen to music. the same can be said about MJ and his performances/persona/videos. Their legacies are eternal and felt through generations because they exist outside the frame of just being wildly consumed. Time can remove the significance of that. No one knows The Beatles or Michael Jackson cause of this nowadays, it was those moments that made their career last back in the day but the key to cross generational is to be big and likeable enough for one generation to transmit their music to the next one.
elincomprendid Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: You really think teens in 2055 are going to care about Taylor Swift? Why? What about her stands out besides her success and PR relationships? Most of her songs are timeless in the sense that don't have references to phenomenons of the moment, if her catalog has the longevity to be heard in the future I don't see why it wouldn't. Clearly not in the current extent but if the extent is based on what Beatles and Michael catalog do nowadays that shouldn't be a very hard feat
elincomprendid Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: What is popular, or what the majority of the population agrees on can fluctuate. At one point it was more popular to view the Earth as flat. Presidential popularity can swing drastically, and pop stars can suffer from overexposure or just general changes in trends. It's very possible the popularity of Taylor declines, or she suffers backlash. Biggest artist in the US each year 2009 - Taylor Swift 2015 - Taylor Swift 2023 - Taylor Swift Seems the fluctuation ain't fluctuating, alhough talking about flatearthers you are starting to look like one 4 1
Dragonbeast Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: But those artists didn't cater to teens, they aimed at adults. Taylor has always marketed herself towards teens. Adults and historians care about those artists. Established and established musicians/songwriters like Paul McCartney, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Carole King and Dolly Parton have sung praises of Taylor Swift. Bruce Springsteen: “She’s super talented. [I know her] just a little bit. She’s a tremendous writer and I know her producer Jack Antonoff very well … they make great records. There’s a lot of great work going on, people still making great records, and people are finding a lot of joy in those records … that’s gonna go on.” Carole King: "Over the years, I have known some great songwriters and I have also known some great singers and performers. It's rare to see all those talents in one person. Taylor Swift." They are certainly not teenagers and are very much adults. Edited December 25, 2023 by Dragonbeast 2
Headlock Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Jjang said: I don't know which conversation you're reading but the ones jumping on one member in the dozens for saying she's not the biggest artist of all time are kinda the sensitive ones that can't take it. We've seen Taylor fans "clock" other members here daily who dare to say she's not the biggest female, but when the roles are reversed suddenly it's about being pressed? lol. Just face the fact that nothing I said was wrong or even out of line and you guys are just overprotective of anything said about Taylor that is not 100% positive lol. I still stand by my opinion that it's delusional to claim she's bigger, or will be, bigger than The Beatles. Again, you are forming your own goalposts against things most people are not arguing. Stating Taylor will have a long lasting legacy and inter-generational appeal for decades to come is not the same as saying she will be bigger than The Beatles 1 2
Lemon Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 Well, guess who are they screaming about in 2024? Yes, it’s her. I can’t at people failing to understand that having young fans is not bad as if young fans allegedly support something that has to necessary be unsubstantial. Having young(er) fans is basically the golden recipe for remembered work/legacy. But having strong work is what gives you support for the lasting legacy. 1
PoisonPill Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: But those artists didn't cater to teens, they aimed at adults. Taylor has always marketed herself towards teens. Adults and historians care about those artists. Lol now. Have you seen video from any peak-era Elvis performance? His core stanbase was teen and early 20s girls who were just as fanatical about him as swifties are about her. “Taylor has always marketed herself to teens”… I know that you know that's false Edited December 25, 2023 by PoisonPill 1 3
on the line Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 20 hours ago, Jjang said: Im gen z and prolly younger than you so theres no reason why i wouldn’t be, dummy. im just not delusional. to pretend like Taylor is FOR SURE gonna transcend generations is just a throwaway sentiment fueled by her current domination and the newness of the streaming era dynamics. time will clock you. Oh. Enough said.
on the line Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 This is actually crazy. I wouldn’t have imagined she’d be this level when I started to listen to her in 2017.
BtDecember Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 35 minutes ago, on the line said: Oh. Enough said. They act very smart and it’s funny. Those two are clowns and I’m not even gonna try responding to them bc I just know they would still reject all the FACTS you give them, how reliable and objective they may be, because THEIR feelings can’t take it Merry Christmas, Swifties! Taylor’s 2023 is almost over and we now entering to another year where Taylor will continue to conquer while those pretentious ATRLers will continue to seethe! 2
Klein Posted December 25, 2023 Posted December 25, 2023 So this is the final drag: "She's successful now more than ever 20 years into her career, after being wildly recognized and adored by two generations already, but I don't think her music will be remembered in 50 years"? Anyway, congrats on this massive all time achievement. Most week at #1 for a solo artist coming next week. Overall #1 is pretty unlikely though. 2
littlebodybigheart Posted December 26, 2023 Posted December 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Klein said: So this is the final drag: "She's successful now more than ever 20 years into her career, after being wildly recognized and adored by two generations already, but I don't think her music will be remembered in 50 years"? Anyway, congrats on this massive all time achievement. Most week at #1 for a solo artist coming next week. Overall #1 is pretty unlikely though. when ts11 stays at #1 for 30 weeks then you’ll see 1
superben Posted December 28, 2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Music is getting more and more global, so not sure about the US, but on a WW scale, she's likely the biggest of all time already.
Sweetness Posted December 28, 2023 Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) On 12/24/2023 at 3:20 PM, Tropez said: She will break every record. It’s pretty obvious she’s the biggest artist of all time. 195 countries in the world, if I was to compile a list of the artists with the most hits singles and and most sales with actual music markets, she either not be listed or at the bottom. Remind me of how many record breaking singles she has in France and her best selling album in Turkey, Russia,Brazil? Which album of her's that has charted number 1 in 20+ countries? Edited December 28, 2023 by Sweetness mispelling 1
Sweetness Posted December 28, 2023 Posted December 28, 2023 12 hours ago, superben said: Music is getting more and more global, so not sure about the US, but on a WW scale, she's likely the biggest of all time already. Again what single or album of her's that has charted in number 1 in more than 20 countries, yet alone 50 something like Madonna, where is she in the top 10 for most number 1 singles globally? I just saw a list of best selling artist and albums in Turkey, no Taylor. I also recently saw a list of best selling albums of all time, no Taylor but she's the biggest.
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