other stats ChartMasters: Billie has sold 43m albums, calls her Queen of Gen Z

[Enrique523]

I like Billie a lot but i REALLY doubt she has sold that many albums. That being said, Olivia stans DO need to calm down 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Enrique523

[kellebrity98]

7 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

But Olivia fans say Olivia is the queen on Gen Z and that chartmasters is wrong (Unless Olivia has more units than Billie)... who is right? OMG 

imagine comparing billie who started in 2015 or olivia with her 2021 start

[Alexz]

Wow Billie outsold Xtina too.

[kellebrity98]

1 minute ago, Enrique523 said:

I like Billie a lot but i REALLY doubt she has sold that many albums. That being said, Olivia stans DO need to calm down 

these days no one buy records and adding streams to the sales is the correct way.

[BloodLuster]

we already knew that 

[Vixen Eyes]

I read this as the new generation's Queen (the band) 💀

Edited November 23, 2023 by Vixen Eyes

[Mordecai]

Problem is that the streams from singles are effectively double counted (correct me if I'm wrong). Any streams from singles pre-album release shouldn't count towards album sales.

 

Anyway it's hard to deny Billie's status at this point

[family.guy123]

2 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Only 27 of 120 artists who sold over 50M debuted after 2000s 

Only 2 artists who debuted in the last 10 years (Bad Bunny and Post Malone) has over 50M units. Billie will be third. 

For those 93 other artists, what proportion of their total album “sales” were achieved during the streaming era though?

[WildHeart]

5 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

For those 93 other artists, what proportion of their total album “sales” were achieved during the streaming era though?

Pre-2000s artists don't earn that many streams.

 

few examples from low 50M range

Spice Girls - 50,458,000 (2,285,000 SEA)
Destiny's Child - 50,875,000 (4,151,000 SEA)

Boston - 50,934,000 (1,680,000 SEA)

Tracy Chapman - 52,809,000 (2,611,000 SEA)

Paul Simon - 53,010,000 (2,620,000 SEA)

Ozzy Ozbourne - 53,718,000 (3,436,000 SEA)

 

Some artists like Christina or Alicia who debuted in the late 90s have better SEA stats but even their SEA make less than <%20 of their stats.

 

Pre-2000s artists with highest SEA 

Eminem - 51M

Coldplay - 37M

Shakira - 28M 

Queen - 27M 

Linkin Park - 21M

The Beatles - 20M

MJ - 18M

Britney - 17M 

Metallica - 16M

Red Hot Chili Peppers - 16M

Elton John - 14M 

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, Maroonx said:

But Olivia fans say Olivia is the queen on Gen Z and that chartmasters is wrong (Unless Olivia has more units than Billie)... who is right? OMG 

Didn’t Billie debut 5 years before Olivia? Y’all are doing so much work and still not making sense. 

[byzantium]

It’s really odd that people seem so skeptical that one of the biggest artists of the last 5 years can actually have 40+ M units with 3 albums.  Artists used to sell much more with three albums back in the 90s and 00s with three albums.  
 

The number feels about accurate.  

[Blue Monday]

blatant inflation or not, she is thee Gen Z girlie; not to mention her music has clearly crossed generations with how embraced she’s been by awards bodies like The Oscars and Grammy’s. 

[Billionaire]

3 hours ago, Kyoto said:

Don't Smile at Me 1,010,000

When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? 2,335,000

Happier Than Ever 905,000

HTE nearly 1m pure as a 'flop album' in the streaming era 

[By the Water]

It’s always funny when ATRL shows just how stuck in the past it is

 

Billie’s EP is one of the most streamed albums of all time. If you think that translating into 16M units means streams inflate numbers I wonder how you’d explain how albums would sell 30-40M back in the day

 

[Rev8]

4 hours ago, tiagol88 said:

Streaming in general is inflating everyone's sales like crazy. You get 2 hits and a hit album and you're like 50M for no reason lmao.

not sure why this comment is so downvoted, then Im not

the rules for streaming really are odd - especially considering how Much u get from said streams

 

 

3 hours ago, Both Sides Now said:

People saying this is inflated by streaming when albums that don’t have certs for more than 10M in the 1980s are randomly set at 30M by ChartMasters and believed  

 

I mean... stats from before Soundscan(?), are pretty fraudulent and unreal

but that doesn't mean that the sales that Chartmasters' presents, are super real and realistic. Especially when they have been critiqued by everyone for their selective choosing which sources for sales to count, and even how their CSPC formula works (why we are seeing artists barely 5 years into their career, surpass huge icons' whole careers)

 

and I am a fan of Billie, so there is no reason for me to try to discredit her

but Chartmasters has been shady and biased for some time. Especially now that they've been shading artists.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Rev8

[Both Sides Now]

39 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

I mean... stats from before Soundscan(?), are pretty fraudulent and unreal

but that doesn't mean that the sales that Chartmasters' presents, are super real and realistic. Especially when they have been critiqued by everyone for their selective choosing which sources for sales to count, and even how their CSPC formula works (why we are seeing artists barely 5 years into their career, surpass huge icons' whole careers)

 

and I am a fan of Billie, so there is no reason for me to try to discredit her

but Chartmasters has been shady and biased for some time. Especially now that they've been shading artists.

I think this is older members of ATRL not being able to grasp that a new star can legitimately have an enormous career in 5 years. We accept that Mariah, Britney and Gaga were able to outsell icons in a matter of years - Why can’t Billie? Is it simply impossible for an artist to ever touch these heights in the streaming era?

 

Evidentially she is the biggest female artist to debut in the streaming era. On top of that, she is also a huge physical seller - Sleep is the best selling American album released since 2017 in pure sales besides Taylor Swift. 

 

 

[WildHeart]

39 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

(why we are seeing artists barely 5 years into their career, surpass huge icons' whole careers)

Like who? Christina Aguilera? 

[Rev8]

1 minute ago, Both Sides Now said:

I think this is older members of ATRL not being able to grasp that a new star can legitimately have an enormous career in 5 years. We accept that Mariah, Britney and Gaga were able to outsell icons in a matter of years - Why can’t Billie? Is it simply impossible for an artist to ever touch these heights in the streaming era?

 

Evidentially she is the biggest female artist to debut in the streaming era. On top of that, she is also a huge physical seller - Sleep is the best selling American album released since 2017 in pure sales besides Taylor Swift. 

 

 

That's another discussion entirely - my mistake since I used the word "icon", with which I actually wanted to indicate an artist who was/is super successful (altho an icon status doesnt necessarily equate success)

There are big ones, but it's still odd for super new artists to suddenly obliterate whole careers (from someone who stood at the same place as them in notoriety - 10/20 years ago)

especially in the streaming era, where it's supposedly harder? to gain sales, or at least slower

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Like who? Christina Aguilera? 

I mean, look at Bad Bunny - he only has streaming stats on his hand (no phys) (barely any digitals too) and is arguably local

yet he has surpassed career totals of Alicia Keys, Justin Timberlake,Norah Jones,Destiny's Child and yes, Xtina

some of them have Diamond albums and you can't deny they haven't had huge success.

While BB was barely Half a year into his biggest album (with which he actually blew everyone away, but it was that era when most people took large notice of him)

 

So I understand him surpassing those artists in due time, but he currently has 20M CPSC more album units than them

 

 

tbh all said and done, I'm against putting artists from different sales climate against eachother

rules and situations were all too different in their respective eras, for them to be compared to one another

 

[unclefloprry]

We know that chartmasters is an inaccurate .org site that can't be used as an official source as it always inflates the stats and only updates "sales" for some artists, but I think the last statement is correct. 

Of the artists who debuted in the last 10 years, probably only Post Malone and Ariana have sold more album units than her, and I think she can surpass them at some point. 

[Kodak Energy]

6 hours ago, houdini said:

43 million? she has two albums right. this dsta has to be inflated

She has 3 albums

 

The biggest album of 2019, one of the top 5 biggest albums of 2017 and one of the top ten biggest albums of 2021. 
 

Girl has 30B Spotify streams, 40m albums makes sense.

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Kodak Energy

[XAMJ]

Poor artists before streaming; their actual non inflated sales are going to be sent into oblivion 

[heckinglovato]

6 hours ago, Big Bad Wolf said:

Now give it in pure sales.

Can we leave statements like these in like 2018

[Kimi]

This feels absolutely correct lol, Billie is a superstar with so many hits. Some atrles act like music industry ended in 2013 and no new act can be big.

[liquiddiamonds]

BILLIE QUEEN 👑 And she’s just 21 and starting

 

Leave it to a Swiftie to bring Olivia in when no one did 

[Erotic]

Ay por favor