artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[Apolonio ₃₄]

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

 

 

Spotify: 

Bohemian Rhapsody 2.29B

La Isla Bonita 324M

Like A Prayer 300M

 

2 hours ago, Funnyfatty said:

Now lets do youtube where Madonan really shines? 

 

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

YouTube:

Bohemian Rhapsody 1.7B

La Isla Bonita 819M

Like A Prayer 270M

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Funnyfatty said:

and now lets do apple musci and that pandora ??

Moving the goalpost each time is sending me.  

[Finkypop]

48 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Yeah because it's a consumption list, and it's annual. They've never published a list of the best-selling artists of all time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists <-- That list will always generate more clicks and visits and hold more importance than whatever list Chartmasters and their estimated numbers came up with, whether you guys like it or not.

Not a Wikipedia article… oh it’s bad for you huh 

[wastedpotential]

7 minutes ago, Rogue said:

 

 

 

Moving the goalpost each time is sending me.  

I just know the girls were getting in a major leg workout pushing those goalposts around the field 

[wastedpotential]

53 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Yeah because it's a consumption list, and it's annual. They've never published a list of the best-selling artists of all time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists <-- That list will always generate more clicks and visits and hold more importance than whatever list Chartmasters and their estimated numbers came up with, whether you guys like it or not.

Oh girl this wasn't the serve you thought it was 

[Cruel Summer]

1 hour ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Their annual list even in digital age used consumption method of converting downloads into track equivalent album. Called Teas. It isn't new phenomenon

Even back in the peak of the physical sales era in the 90s, industry sources were using units. IFPI counted three physical single sales as an album unit as far back as 1994 for their annual reports. It’s an idea that’s older than a huge proportion of users on this forum. And now Billboard, Luminate, the RIAA, IFPI, just about every single industry source bases their metrics on it, and somehow we’re expected to doubt its validity? Not to mention how the RIAA (and nearly every other certification body on earth) using it destroys the “but they’ve never published an all-time list!!!” argument since the RIAA does in fact certify albums and singles from any era if a label is willing to pay to get them certified, and they give us that data in a neat little database that people can and do use to rank total units. They might be flawed, too, in that a label has to submit their releases for certification and some artists’ labels are terrible at bothering to do that, but it at least shows that the industry itself is in no way averse to considering all of popular music history in the units format.

[fentymaison]

Swifties are holding onto chartmasters as if anyone outside of atrl cares. Taylor hasn't passed Mariah and she will never pass Rihanna. Get over that. Take your issue up with Guinness.  

[fentymaison]

36 minutes ago, Finkypop said:

Not a Wikipedia article… oh it’s bad for you huh 

Wikipedia is credible as it sites there sources at the bottom. However there's also these other sources like. 

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

OR

 

https://ledgernote.com/blog/interesting/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

 

Which Taylor doesn't make the top 10. Can't even beat Beiber. But please keep clinging to Chartmasters lol. 

[byzantium]

9 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

Swifties are holding onto chartmasters as if anyone outside of atrl cares. Taylor hasn't passed Mariah and she will never pass Rihanna. Get over that. Take your issue up with Guinness.  

Unfortunately she already has passed Rihanna.  She has more than 2x the streams of Rihanna.  You are just the one clinging onto a dead metric because it is all you have.  

[Finkypop]

8 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

Wikipedia is credible as it sites there sources at the bottom. However there's also these other sources like. 

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

OR

 

https://ledgernote.com/blog/interesting/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

 

Which Taylor doesn't make the top 10. Can't even beat Beiber. But please keep clinging to Chartmasters lol. 

Wikipedia can literally be freely edited by anyone who clicks on it. There’s a reason it’s not accepted as a credible source in any university course, academia, or the real world in general.
 

You keep clinging to combining single sales with album sales and pretending like they have the same value. No one with a brain does this (except for you because you know Rihanna doesn’t compare in any universe) 

 

OT: Taylor is the biggest artist of all time (x272647373838)

[wastedpotential]

14 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

Wikipedia is credible as it sites there sources at the bottom. However there's also these other sources like. 

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

OR

 

https://ledgernote.com/blog/interesting/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

 

Which Taylor doesn't make the top 10. Can't even beat Beiber. But please keep clinging to Chartmasters lol. 

Please be serious 

 

The beer company who didn't do any due diligence when calculating their numbers and... ledgernote.com (which I can only assume is some sort of click factory) are not any more credible than chartmasters, which is unofficial but provides their exact formulas and the sources for their numbers. Based on literally any metric (except YouTube views I guess), Taylor has always been more successful than Bieber. 

 

24 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

Swifties are holding onto chartmasters as if anyone outside of atrl cares. Taylor hasn't passed Mariah and she will never pass Rihanna. Get over that. Take your issue up with Guinness.  

Now user fentymaison, I can understand why you might have an issue with Taylor passing Rihanna, but when 1989 (Taylor's Version) moved more copies in its first week than all Rihanna albums combined did in their respective first weeks (69k+115k+162k+181k+207k+198k+238k+166k*=1.336M) and with Taylor on a bad day only doing 5x Rihanna's daily Spotify streams, surely you can admit that Taylor having surpassed Rihanna is just basic reality. Sure, there are arguments to be made about mass releasing or retirement or whatever, but in every objective metric imaginable (or at least the ones that aren't reliant upon flimsy label claims that assert that all digital sales are the same) with any sort of reliable data, Taylor has leapfrogged Rihanna. By that same logic, according to some metrics, Taylor has also surpassed Mariah. There are fewer of these metrics, because Mariah had a bigger career than Rihanna, but I think we'll see the same pattern emerge with time - Taylor's gap starts small, but at her rate of sales, will grow exponentially over the years. 

 

 

 

*second week considering Anti's first week hardly counts.

[Maroonx]

the meltdowns and the wikipedia "source" links in this topic is serving mess... I am living for it 

[fentymaison]

30 minutes ago, Finkypop said:

Wikipedia can literally be freely edited by anyone who clicks on it. There’s a reason it’s not accepted as a credible source in any university course, academia, or the real world in general.
 

You keep clinging to combining single sales with album sales and pretending like they have the same value. No one with a brain does this (except for you because you know Rihanna doesn’t compare in any universe) 

 

OT: Taylor is the biggest artist of all time (x272647373838)

The industry has always counted 1 sale as 1 single or 1 album. Streaming is the only metric that has a formula. That has always been the standard since the Industry began. GET OVER IT! TAYLOR WILL NEVER PASS RIHANNA, SHE'S 90+MILLION IN SALES behind. Taylor Swift nor her fans have the power to change industry standard and how music is counted, no matter how much they want to cling to Chartmasters illegitimate chart/ formula . And her music is front loaded, due to her rabid fans. She's only sold around 270 million and is far behind Rihanna and can't even beat Justin Beiber.  

[fentymaison]

5 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

the meltdowns and the wikipedia "source" links in this topic is serving mess... I am living for it 

https://ledgernote.com/blog/interesting/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

 

Hope this helps. 

[Finkypop]

4 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

GET OVER IT! TAYLOR WILL NEVER PASS RIHANNA, SHE'S 90+MILLION IN SALES behind. 

She already has in every relevant metric. The sooner you accept it the better your mental well-being will be. Sorry! 

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Finkypop

[The Music Industry]

6 hours ago, Klein said:

Guinness World Records only account for pure sales and add singles and albums as if they have the same value. No chart organization (Billboard, IFPI...) is doing that. 

 

Official sales certifications is at least more sensical, but 1) they are not up to date for pretty much anyone and 2) they don't account for the units in between thresholds (as we've seen in the thread about Taylor's total single units being bigger than any other female artist despite Rihanna having more certified units). 

 

Absolutely not saying Chartmasters is a better source. But dunking on an unofficial source trying to account for the entire consumption of a catalogue, while bringing other sources that are just as flawed as they either don't take into account all forms of consumption or come close to the actual total units, is interesting. 

The clock

 

[Maroonx]

1 minute ago, fentymaison said:

https://ledgernote.com/blog/interesting/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

 

Hope this helps. 

cheers lav... It still shows Taylor above Mariah on that one... x

[The Music Industry]

1 minute ago, Maroonx said:

cheers lav... It still shows Taylor above Mariah on that one... x

I- 

[byzantium]

Beyond the fact that Rihanna fans came running into a Mariah thread for some reason, what makes it more sad is that they can’t even say that their fav has sold more albums than Taylor.  It’s like they admit that people only came to Rihanna for some cute singles but did not care for the whole collection. And that is something to be proud of apparently? 

[fentymaison]

24 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Please be serious 

 

The beer company who didn't do any due diligence when calculating their numbers and... ledgernote.com (which I can only assume is some sort of click factory) are not any more credible than chartmasters, which is unofficial but provides their exact formulas and the sources for their numbers. Based on literally any metric (except YouTube views I guess), Taylor has always been more successful than Bieber. 

 

Now user fentymaison, I can understand why you might have an issue with Taylor passing Rihanna, but when 1989 (Taylor's Version) moved more copies in its first week than all Rihanna albums combined did in their respective first weeks (69k+115k+162k+181k+207k+198k+238k+166k*=1.336M) and with Taylor on a bad day only doing 5x Rihanna's daily Spotify streams, surely you can admit that Taylor having surpassed Rihanna is just basic reality. Sure, there are arguments to be made about mass releasing or retirement or whatever, but in every objective metric imaginable (or at least the ones that aren't reliant upon flimsy label claims that assert that all digital sales are the same) with any sort of reliable data, Taylor has leapfrogged Rihanna. By that same logic, according to some metrics, Taylor has also surpassed Mariah. There are fewer of these metrics, because Mariah had a bigger career than Rihanna, but I think we'll see the same pattern emerge with time - Taylor's gap starts small, but at her rate of sales, will grow exponentially over the years. 

 

 

 

*second week considering Anti's first week hardly counts.

Streaming does not count 1 for 1 like singles and albums do. You need to get over that. Taylor had more streams currently because she's releasing music unlike Rihanna.  However she still has 75+ million monthly spotify listeners that will jot only be active when she finally releases music but will likely double in size when she actually does. Expect Rihannas streaming number to pass Taylor's when the time comes. Taylor fans are cowards and can't even wait until it's a fair fight. Rihanna is pulling these numbers without doing anything, imagine when.she actually starts to do something? Your trying to compete with someone who's not even playing and still loosing. At the end of the day Taylor will never pass Rihanna's sales or sps numbers. Begone. 

[Maroonx]

1 minute ago, byzantium said:

Beyond the fact that Rihanna fans came running into a Mariah thread for some reason, what makes it more sad is that they can’t even say that their fav has sold more albums than Taylor.  It’s like they admit that people only came to Rihanna for some cute singles but did not care for the whole collection. And that is something to be proud of apparently? 

We also have to keep in mind that a lot of Rihanna's sales/units also come from "features" on other tracks. Not even duets... 

 

But ok, good for her being so high up that list, I won't even bother to argue about that coz this thread clearly talks about Taylor and Mariah x

[fentymaison]

9 minutes ago, Finkypop said:

She already has in every relevant metric. The sooner you accept it the better your mental well-being will be. Sorry! 

 

If that helps you sleep better at night lol. 

[The Music Industry]

1 minute ago, fentymaison said:

Streaming does not count 1 for 1 like singles and albums do.

Except singles ALSO don't count on a 1:1 ratio on ANY chart organization in the world, hence why we have equivalent units, which is the method used by UK Charts, SNEP, Billboard, IRMA, ARIA, IFPI, etc. And guess what? When using equivalent units, Taylor is ahead of both Mariah and Rihanna . No amount of kicking and screaming from you will change this and the gap will only get bigger and bigger from now on.

 

FUME

[The Music Industry]

5 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

Taylor fans are cowards and can't even wait until it's a fair fight.

Not fair? dfkljdfjskl

 

Now how is it our fault your favorite artist isn't passionate about music and refuses to release anything? 

 

[Maroonx]

I am loving this topic.. the fumes and the meltdowns are so iconic.

 

 

The best part is that the topic is not even about other acts aside of Taylor/Mariah. 

 

Another fun day in ATRL x

[fentymaison]

3 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

Except singles ALSO don't count on a 1:1 ratio on ANY chart organization in the world, hence why we have equivalent units, which is the method used by UK Charts, SNEP, Billboard, IRMA, ARIA, IFPI, etc. And guess what? When using equivalent units, Taylor is ahead of both Mariah and Rihanna . No amount of kicking and screaming from you will change this and the gap will only get bigger and bigger from now on.

 

FUME

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

FUME!