artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[adylovestaylorandjb]

8 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Sure, but they've never compiled a list of the best-selling artists of all time based on album-equivalent units. Shouldn't be hard to grasp.

Nor did with record sales. It is only labels who started the mess to show inflated numbers. Their annual top 20 artist is based on consumption though

[FolkLover1989]

Someone trying to prove single sale as equivalent to album sale 

 

This is 

 

Releasing so many high profile collabs and albums in digital era and then bragging about single sales  

[FolkLover1989]

1 minute ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Nor did with record sales. It is only labels who started the mess to show inflated numbers. Their annual top 20 artist is based on consumption though

You are arguing with wrong person 

That's the only thing they have 

 

Funny they have problem with $4 Chinese albums but absolutely love to flaunt to those $1 single sales when most of the discography got released 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

6 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Mariah has more streams in 2023 than Whitney, Madonna or Céline. <3

 

But I guess, Eminem is her peer now. Thank You. 

 

I thot it should not be seen negatively, to release music. Here you claim, Whitney released less than Mariah. Is that good or bad?

 

 

That isn't the point. I was showing Mariah catalog streams are messy outside her xmas catalog , and how whitney have more non xmas classics overall on streaming and you mentioned pre 2000 era artist. Not her peers. Read your post.. Maybe write clearly? 

 

Eminem I mentioned because of that logic. And hew he has sold 130 million pure album sales and now is smashing streaming without an xmas song. 90s gen artist. Mariah catalog is still mostly forgotten

[adylovestaylorandjb]

1 minute ago, FolkLover1989 said:

You are arguing with wrong person 

That's the only thing they have 

 

Funny they have problem with $4 Chinese albums but absolutely love to flaunt to those $1 single sales when most of the discography got released 

That is quite hypocritical.. Not to mention billboard album sales cutoff is also same usd amount if I remember. 

Digital albums don't have production cost of cds and vinyls. Billboard use 1 album = 10 singles downloads. Maybe they should ask them. Ifpi count Chinese pure fully and now they are regulated too. 

 

Record sales concept was always weird method for pr articles

 

[istan4badgalriri]

2 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Nor did with record sales. It is only labels who started the mess to show inflated numbers. Their annual top 20 artist is based on consumption though

Exactly, they haven't published a list like that at all.

 

Their current annual artists list is based on a methodology that makes sense in today's industry. Singles sales are dead and were essentially replaced by streaming. Which wasn't the case 10 years ago.

[adylovestaylorandjb]

Just now, istan4badgalriri said:

Exactly, they haven't published a list like that at all.

 

Their current annual artists list is based on a methodology that makes sense in today's industry. Singles sales are dead and were essentially replaced by streaming. Which wasn't the case 10 years ago.

Their annual list even in digital age used consumption method of converting downloads into track equivalent album. Called Teas. It isn't new phenomenon

[FolkLover1989]

2 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Exactly, they haven't published a list like that at all.

 

Their current annual artists list is based on a methodology that makes sense in today's industry. Singles sales are dead and were essentially replaced by streaming. Which wasn't the case 10 years ago.

Even during singles era ,they converted them to TEA as did every other chart in the world

 

Only the labels who wanted to inflate the figures promoted record sales. There is no such feasible metric

 

How can single and album sale be same. If that's the case

 

Taylor has sold 62billion records just from Spotify 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

And people who put singles as same metric as album. Record labels used to make songs just airplay hits, so people buy the albums. Singles value was that only.  Download era inflated them and put label in loss with loss of revenue. Streaming brought the album back. 

[istan4badgalriri]

2 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Even during singles era ,they converted them to TEA as did every other chart in the world

 

Only the labels who wanted to inflate the figures promoted record sales. There is no such feasible metric

 

How can single and album sale be same. If that's the case

 

Taylor has sold 62billion records just from Spotify 

Yeah because it's a consumption list, and it's annual. They've never published a list of the best-selling artists of all time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists <-- That list will always generate more clicks and visits and hold more importance than whatever list Chartmasters and their estimated numbers came up with, whether you guys like it or not.

[TeemoR]

Comparing sales from the 90s to the digital era definitely doesn't make sense regardless of how much they are trying to find a fair balance that makes sense. You can't compare apples with oranges. That being said, I do think Taylor will surpass Mariah in terms of overall success. 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

11 hours ago, Mandalay said:

Cry? Lol. Taylor's fans should be more concerned about her shoving every output and not having remarkable hits.

She has countless hits. What r u smoking? By that logic, pink Floyd, led zepplin must be flops bcoz they didn't sell quick lil singles

[adylovestaylorandjb]

5 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Yeah because it's a consumption list, and it's annual. They've never published a list of the best-selling artists of all time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists <-- That list will always generate more clicks and visits and hold more importance than whatever list Chartmasters and their estimated numbers came up with, whether you guys like it or not.

Now wikipedia as source which can be edited by anyone and by the way only fans care about titles. And fake numbers will always be debated🤣🤣🤣

 

They never put up a list of best record sellers. Except your faves pr team

 

[WildHeart]

Navy holding on to random Wikipedia pages and hoping that few thousands more people would think Rihanna is above Taylor because they know that Taylor surpassed their fave long time ago is soooo

Edited November 5, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[sasashite]

34 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Sure, but they've never compiled a list of the best-selling artists of all time based on album-equivalent units. Shouldn't be hard to grasp.

Billboard has compiled a list based on chart performance overall and Taylor is better placed than legends and Rihanna. She’s predicted to be the #3 artist of all time in the next update.

 

Give it up already. No matter the metrics, Taylor will be ranked higher than you want her to be.

[Funnyfatty]

26 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

That isn't the point. I was showing Mariah catalog streams are messy outside her xmas catalog , and how whitney have more non xmas classics overall on streaming and you mentioned pre 2000 era artist. Not her peers. Read your post.. Maybe write clearly? 

 

Eminem I mentioned because of that logic. And hew he has sold 130 million pure album sales and now is smashing streaming without an xmas song. 90s gen artist. Mariah catalog is still mostly forgotten

Mariahs christmas catalogue is destroying the charts and her other music is doing great for what it is. 
Always be my babe,

obsessed

fantasy

we belong together

its a wrap

i know what you want

Touch my body 

 

ALL those songs did fantastix this year. 

[Funnyfatty]

6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Navy holding on to random Wikipedia pages and hoping that few thousands more people would think Rihanna is above Taylor because they know that Taylor surpassed their fave long time ago is soooo

Rihanna > Taylor 

 

[Feanor]

 

5 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Navy holding on to random Wikipedia pages and hoping that few thousands more people would think that Rihanna is above Taylor because they know that Taylor surpassed their fave long time ago is soooo

That Wikipedia page also only gets mere 6k clicks a day and yet is assigned all this supposed importance.  

But whenever Taylor's daily streaming gap in the tens of millions compared to all her peers is brought up, people will go out of their way to dismiss it. Who knew that an article viewed by just 6k people on any random day has more significance than the active consumption behavior of millions across the world that we can actively track.

[istan4badgalriri]

3 minutes ago, sasashite said:

Billboard has compiled a list based on chart performance overall and Taylor is better placed than legends and Rihanna. She’s predicted to be the #3 artist of all time in the next update.

 

Give it up already. No matter the metrics, Taylor will be ranked higher than you want her to be.

Chart performance, in the US, when the discussion is about worldwide sales.

 

I'm not the one who should give it up. 

[stevyy]

9 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

That isn't the point. I was showing Mariah catalog streams are messy outside her xmas catalog , and how whitney have more non xmas classics overall on streaming and you mentioned pre 2000 era artist. Not her peers. Read your post.. Maybe write clearly? 

 

Eminem I mentioned because of that logic. And hew he has sold 130 million pure album sales and now is smashing streaming without an xmas song. 90s gen artist. Mariah catalog is still mostly forgotten

 

Whitney doesn't tho. Whitney is sitting at 5,677,272,272 streams on Spotify, including her owb holiday music. Mariah is sitting at 8,0 billion. 

 

If you deduct the xmas music... Mariah is sitting at 5,783,581,842.

 

roughly: 

 

Whitney's ENTIRE catalogue = 5,7 billion on Spotify (incl. holiday music)

Mariah's non-xmas catalogue = 5,8 billion on Spotify

 

Mariah's xmas catalogue includes 2 studio albums tho... with the combined total of 16 million traditional sales copies. It's that the xmas music is only smashing since streaming became a thing. 

 

IN short, what you alluded to, made no sense. 

 

 

[istan4badgalriri]

12 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Now wikipedia as source which can be edited by anyone and by the way only fans care about titles. And fake numbers will always be debated🤣🤣🤣

 

They never put up a list of best record sellers. Except your faves pr team

 

Except that page is under extended confirmed protection, so no, it can't be edited by anyone. 

[Klein]

We've reached the point where value is put in a Wikipedia page. This is too much I'm outta here. 

[FolkLover1989]

Ok lol so from now

 

We will go with record sales 

 

Taylor has sold 62bn records from Spotify alone

 

So when stans can compile the streaming+digital+sales 

When they reach 100bn for their fave artist, ping me, I will give them more receipt

 

Till then good luck with your wiki pages 

[byzantium]

7 hours ago, Funnyfatty said:

The way the first page is filled with swifties expecting people to fume yet no one said anything

 

Tells a lot about them and how much they (just like their fave) live in their own reality. Mariah will forever be above Taylor and no matter how much she will sell will chance that. 

Explain the next 7 pages…

[byzantium]

37 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Yeah because it's a consumption list, and it's annual. They've never published a list of the best-selling artists of all time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists <-- That list will always generate more clicks and visits and hold more importance than whatever list Chartmasters and their estimated numbers came up with, whether you guys like it or not.

The navy obviously has to hold onto a sales metric which is 8 years outdated because their fav retired and left them with nothing else.