artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[Axelios]

4 minutes ago, Funnyfatty said:

Like a prayer and La Is La Bonita say hello and fy

They are not even close to Boheminan Rhapsody

[istan4badgalriri]

yes who cares about Guinness World Records and official sales certifications when there is the good sis Chartmasters

[Kill Me]

7 minutes ago, Funnyfatty said:

La Is La Bonita

[Gui Blackout]

The fumes are DELICIOUS nn;

 

 

Congrats Legend! And there's still much more to come

[HardBambi]

10 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Those songs are no where remembered  as BR. Not even close🤣

I would argue that gay or women are more familiar with Like a Prayer or Vogue than BR

[adylovestaylorandjb]

Yes we should care about adding singles and albums. And inflate the so called record sales to say celine dion isn't even top five. And single seller as best selling female artist. When everyone and their grannie know it isn't true🤣

 

Billie dua olivia will never enter discussion with that record sales concept. Ifpi by the way use equivalent and that is more important than gwr. That is industry method. You just can't add singles with album and call it same

[adylovestaylorandjb]

2 minutes ago, HardBambi said:

I would argue that gay or women are more familiar with Like a Prayer or Vogue than BR

More population knows br in end. That makes it way bigger classic. 

[Klein]

36 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

yes who cares about Guinness World Records and official sales certifications when there is the good sis Chartmasters

Guinness World Records only account for pure sales and add singles and albums as if they have the same value. No chart organization (Billboard, IFPI...) is doing that. 

 

Official sales certifications is at least more sensical, but 1) they are not up to date for pretty much anyone and 2) they don't account for the units in between thresholds (as we've seen in the thread about Taylor's total single units being bigger than any other female artist despite Rihanna having more certified units). 

 

Absolutely not saying Chartmasters is a better source. But dunking on an unofficial source trying to account for the entire consumption of a catalogue, while bringing other sources that are just as flawed as they either don't take into account all forms of consumption or come close to the actual total units, is interesting. 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Klein

[katara]

Do we have a list with the units each lady in the top 20 sold?

[istan4badgalriri]

8 minutes ago, Klein said:

Guinness World Records only account for pure sales and add singles and albums as if they have the same value. No chart organization (Billboard, IFPI...) is doing that. 

 

Official sales certifications is at least more sensical, but 1) they are not up to date for pretty much anyone and 2) they don't account for the units in between thresholds (as we've seen in the thread about Taylor's total single units being bigger than any other female artist despite Rihanna having more certified units). 

 

Absolutely not saying Chartmasters is a better source. But dunking on an unofficial source trying to account for the entire consumption of a catalogue, while bringing other sources that are just as flawed as they either don't take into account all forms of consumption or come close to the actual total units, is interesting. 

That's because features were excluded.

 

It doesn't make sense to build a list of the best-selling artists of all time based solely on album-equivalent units. Reducing 300 million singles sold to 30 million sales is crazy. If one doesn't want to combine album and song sales then there should just be two different lists: best-selling albums artists and best-selling singles artists.

 

No chart organization has ever reported on Chartmasters numbers or used them as a source. Plaques will always be the official way of certifying sales, unless IFPI comes out with a list of the best-selling artists of all time. Plaques are actually handed to artists and hanging on the walls of their home.

[WildHeart]

3 hours ago, Mandalay said:

What's there to digest? Her success is impressive no argument here, however, touring aside, it's not GP driven like artists of the past. Her post-1989 output has been cliched to appease a certain demographic. I doubt she will have many remembered hits in the future. It will be good if she does that. 

Convince yourself 

 

9 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Reducing 300 million singles sold to 30 million sales is crazy.

No it is not, just like reducing 45 Billion streams to 30 million sales is not crazy 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Sad Serenade]

the ladies are slaying but the stans are fighting

 

[istan4badgalriri]

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

No it is not, just like reducing 45 Billion streams to 30 million sales is not crazy 

It makes sense if we're only talking album equivalent units. It doesn't make sense if we're talking best-selling artists of all time, overall. 300 million singles were sold, period.

[stevyy]

6 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Like... Their denial is so funny to me 

There is no denial. That X announcement said "selling"... like Taylor is the 3rd best SELLING female artist now... with 40% of Mariah's albums sales. 

 

That confused me. IN streaming equivalents she is massively ahead. <3

 

Maybe a better word could be... consumed artist. 

 

 

[stevyy]

One last thing. I disagree with the Taylor fans that Mariah hasn't had successful albums. I am not sure, why that fanbase is saying that. 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

2 minutes ago, stevyy said:

There is no denial. That X announcement said "selling"... like Taylor is the 3rd best SELLING female artist now... with 40% of Mariah's albums sales. 

 

That confused me. IN streaming equivalents she is massively ahead. <3

 

Maybe a better word could be... consumed artist. 

 

 

Yes she is more consumed than mariah. Means  more people have access to her music. Means she is bigger than mariah. Means she has become third biggest female artist. In end billboard said Taylor sold 14 million albums this year . So yes she outsold mariah. Back to circle.  

Edited November 5, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[West Coast]

Don’t make that face bestie @suburbannature

[adylovestaylorandjb]

2 minutes ago, stevyy said:

One last thing. I disagree with the Taylor fans that Mariah hasn't had successful albums. I am not sure, why that fanbase is saying that. 

Who said it? Even if someone did, they r wrong. But mariah definitely have couple of massive flops before teom that label had to buy out her contact which is fact. Something Taylor never had. Which is fair point. 

[Klein]

24 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

That's because features were excluded.

 

It doesn't make sense to build a list of the best-selling artists of all time based solely on album-equivalent units. Reducing 300 million singles sold to 30 million sales is crazy. If one doesn't want to combine album and song sales then there should just be two different lists: best-selling albums artists and best-selling singles artists.

 

No chart organization has ever reported on Chartmasters numbers or used them as a source. Plaques will always be the official way of certifying sales, unless IFPI comes out with a list of the best-selling artists of all time. Plaques are actually handed to artists and hanging on the walls of their home.

Well then take it up with Billboard, IFPI etc. because I'm not (and neither are you) the one who makes the rules. 

[Asscatchem]

aiwfciy will slowly avenge mariah when taylor gets old 

[stevyy]

4 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Who said it? Even if someone did, they r wrong. But mariah definitely have couple of massive flops before teom that label had to buy out her contact which is fact. Something Taylor never had. Which is fair point. 

Imagine living in an era where this was possible. Mariah was really pulled thru the mud by her ex husband and CEO of Sony Music. 

 

Imagine if Me2 were happening back then. 

 

Anyway. I would say that E=MC² was a successful era... not a blockbuster like TEOM, but still. It had a #1 single and another top 20 hit. (4 charting songs in total) and had sold 1,3 million copies in the US according to Soundscan by July 2018, excluding streaming. It is now eligible for 2xP in the US. 

 

But that entire 9 albums 1990s run is iconic, I think. 

 

GH did also well and is a good catalogue seller for her at 5 million copies. I wish they would focus more on #1's again. 

[Harrier]

Congratulations to Taylor 

 

I do think there is nuance to be had in this Taylor v Madonna discussion that will continue to happen in the coming years as Taylor's numbers catch up to Madge. Taylor has a very large contigent of very dedicated fans that both buy her music and then also stream it endlessly, meaning her numbers contnue to grow from a contingent of people who are already bought in to her. She's getting more numbers out of each individual person than Madge ever has.

 

This is of course an achievement in and of itself, to have a dedicated fanbase on an uprecendented scale. There is no doubt Taylor is the biggest artist of our time. But it does make it tricky comparing her with say Madonna, an artist who had to reinvent herself to capture and recapture the general public's attention over and over again. It's just such a different career trajectory.

[adylovestaylorandjb]

16 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Imagine living in an era where this was possible. Mariah was really pulled thru the mud by her ex husband and CEO of Sony Music. 

 

Imagine if Me2 were happening back then. 

 

Anyway. I would say that E=MC² was a successful era... not a blockbuster like TEOM, but still. It had a #1 single and another top 20 hit. (4 charting songs in total) and had sold 1,3 million copies in the US according to Soundscan by July 2018, excluding streaming. It is now eligible for 2xP in the US. 

 

But that entire 9 albums 1990s run is iconic, I think. 

 

GH did also well and is a good catalogue seller for her at 5 million copies. I wish they would focus more on #1's again. 

No one is denying her struggles. But those eras were flops and that is fact. 

Einstein theory album was decent success but not some Megahit. Since 90s she has only one blockbuster era. Teom. 

Edited November 5, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[FolkLover1989]

31 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

It makes sense if we're only talking album equivalent units. It doesn't make sense if we're talking best-selling artists of all time, overall. 300 million singles were sold, period.

So in your sense

300m singles sold is same as 300m album sold 

[FolkLover1989]

The goalposts has been change so many times because Taylor continues to prove them wrong

 

She has no hits since  2015

She is not big on streaming so her catalogue is not remembered 

Her recent albums are declining