artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[stevyy]

6 hours ago, sasashite said:

Taylor sold 60 million CDs/vinyl/digital albums and 160 million digital singles. They didn’t count the number of times those records were played either.

 

But you don’t see Taylor Swift fans crying about it.

so 60 million albums is more than 150 million albums? 

 

What is the truth? 

 

Why did Guinness rank Mariah ahead of Taylor?

[stevyy]

8 hours ago, Klein said:

I echo the sentiment of most others. Legitimacy of CM aside, everyone knew Taylor would surpass Mariah in album units sooner rather than later. 

correct phrasing. the word is units, not sales. 

 

But why are people saying in this thread that Mariah never had any hit albums?

[Bloodflowers.]

Once Taylor drops her highly anticipated Christmas album  that's gonna dominate each season, Celine and Madonna will start shaking for real

[ninetales]

Oh no, not my Celine being overtaken in early 2024 

 

Anyway, this what I've expected since Taylor has surpassed the likes of Whitney and Barbra, that both Mariah's and Celine's thrones would be in danger. 

 

Congrats to Taylor. I am genuinely happy for her because she is working her ass off. 

 

 

Edit: Cruel Summer is just soooo good. It deserves more weeks at no. 1

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by ninetales

[Poncho Barlliams]

Taylor didn't outsell Marian in the USA, Europe, Asia, Latin America and Oceania but she outsold Mariah in some way.

[naval23]

When Taylor releases Last Christmas cover, it's over for Europe

[stevyy]

2 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

Taylor didn't outsell Marian in the USA, Europe, Asia, Latin America and Oceania but she outsold Mariah in some way.

which leaves Narnia and Antarctica. 

 

I'm happy for her and her fans if they believe chartsmasters that Taylor Swift has sold more albums than Mariah Carey. Or that eras like that could possibly be compared. 

 

Btw, converting all of taylor's streams to track units sps, Taylor has surpassed 900 million records sales worldwide and has already outsold Madonna by 2:1. 

 

If we would convert sales into streams... Madonna / Mariah / Céline / Whitney would still be far ahead. 

 

I don't know. 

[stevyy]

2 minutes ago, naval23 said:

When Taylor releases Last Christmas cover, it's over for Europe

she's never hit #1 in any German speaking territory in Europe (nor France). 

 

She should cover AIWFC and give Mariah even more coins. 

 

Let's all pray that Merry Christmas can surpass 3 billion streams on Spotify this season. 

[byzantium]

Not someone in here arguing that it is unfair for an artist’s studio albums to be counted towards their overall sales.

 

Like what should be counted?  Book sales? 

[wastedpotential]

41 minutes ago, stevyy said:

1990 - 14 million - Mariah Carey

1991 - 8 million - Emotions

1992 - 7 million - MTV Unplugged

1993 - 27 million - Music Box

1994 - 15 million - Merry Christmas

1995 - 20 million - Daydream

1997 - 10 million - Butterfly

1998 - 17 million - #1's

1999 - 7 million - Rainbow

2001 - 2,5 million - Glitter

2001 - 5 million - Greatest Hits

2002 - 3 million - Charmbracelet

2003 - .5 million - The Remixes

2005 - 9 million - TEOM

2008 - 2,5 million - E=MC²

2009 - 1 million - The Ballads

2009 - 1,5 million - Memoirs

2010 - 1 million - Merry Christmas II

2014 - .3 million - Elusive Chnateuse

2015 - .4 million - Infinity

2018 - .2 million - Caution

2020 - .1 million - Rarities

2020 - .2 million - Magical Crhistmas

= 152,2 million

 

It's fascinating that Taylor Swift has sold more than 152,2 million traditional albums worldwide. Last time I checked she was at 70 million. She has sold 100 million traditional albums in 2023? 

 

Where?

 

Maybe 250 million albums with sps this year. 

 

I never thought Taylor Swift could sell almost 300 million albums sps in one calender year.

Please leave the pure sales (or "traditional albums", if you prefer) in the 2000s with the rest of your fave's non-Christmas career. Screaming about Taylor's success but using an album sales tally method that the rest of the industry left behind over a decade ago shows you to be woefully out of date. There's no reason for you to play dumb and deny that the figures in the OP are SEA units and "traditional albums" obviously won't include the SPS figures. They're two different figures. According to your anachronistic and fundamentally worthless (given the climate) metric, yes, Mariah is comfortably ahead, but when considering the industry standard and universally accepted (except by the old gays who live on this website who can't stand to see their faves get passed) comparative metric, Taylor has just surpassed Mariah, though at her current increase rate, the gap will widen by millions before the end of the year. 

[wastedpotential]

24 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

Taylor didn't outsell Marian in the USA, Europe, Asia, Latin America and Oceania but she outsold Mariah in some way.

I don't know whose main account this dupe belongs to, but I would hope that user would understand that there is a difference between pure sales and streaming equivalent albums. At the very least, I do hope that this is some primitive form of trolling, because if it's not, I have serious doubts about how you've managed to survive life thus far 

[The Music Industry]

5 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Please leave the pure sales (or "traditional albums", if you prefer) in the 2000s with the rest of your fave's non-Christmas career. Screaming about Taylor's success but using an album sales tally method that the rest of the industry left behind over a decade ago shows you to be woefully out of date. There's no reason for you to play dumb and deny that the figures in the OP are SEA units and "traditional albums" obviously won't include the SPS figures. They're two different figures. According to your anachronistic and fundamentally worthless (given the climate) metric, yes, Mariah is comfortably ahead, but when considering the industry standard and universally accepted (except by the old gays who live on this website who can't stand to see their faves get passed) comparative metric, Taylor has just surpassed Mariah, though at her current increase rate, the gap will widen by millions before the end of the year. 

Like... Their denial is so funny to me 

[Poncho Barlliams]

14 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

I don't know whose main account this dupe belongs to, but I would hope that user would understand that there is a difference between pure sales and streaming equivalent albums. At the very least, I do hope that this is some primitive form of trolling, because if it's not, I have serious doubts about how you've managed to survive life thus far 

 

you need calm down

[Maroonx]

25 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Not someone in here arguing that it is unfair for an artist’s studio albums to be counted towards their overall sales.

 

Like what should be counted?  Book sales? 

We did have a lunatic member say in another topic that Billboard sales numbers didn't count and that RIAA certifications is the only valid way to count sales... Because their fav on certs had more sales than Taylor (who is under certified) 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Maroonx

[sasashite]

1 hour ago, stevyy said:

1990 - 14 million - Mariah Carey

1991 - 8 million - Emotions

1992 - 7 million - MTV Unplugged

1993 - 27 million - Music Box

1994 - 15 million - Merry Christmas

1995 - 20 million - Daydream

1997 - 10 million - Butterfly

1998 - 17 million - #1's

1999 - 7 million - Rainbow

2001 - 2,5 million - Glitter

2001 - 5 million - Greatest Hits

2002 - 3 million - Charmbracelet

2003 - .5 million - The Remixes

2005 - 9 million - TEOM

2008 - 2,5 million - E=MC²

2009 - 1 million - The Ballads

2009 - 1,5 million - Memoirs

2010 - 1 million - Merry Christmas II

2014 - .3 million - Elusive Chnateuse

2015 - .4 million - Infinity

2018 - .2 million - Caution

2020 - .1 million - Rarities

2020 - .2 million - Magical Crhistmas

= 152,2 million

 

It's fascinating that Taylor Swift has sold more than 152,2 million traditional albums worldwide. Last time I checked she was at 70 million. She has sold 100 million traditional albums in 2023? 

 

Where?

 

Maybe 250 million albums with sps this year. 

 

I never thought Taylor Swift could sell almost 300 million albums sps in one calender year.

I said successful albums, which these are not:

 

2001 - 2,5 million - Glitter

2001 - 5 million - Greatest Hits

2002 - 3 million - Charmbracelet

2003 - .5 million - The Remixes

2008 - 2,5 million - E=MC²

2009 - 1 million - The Ballads

2009 - 1,5 million - Memoirs

2010 - 1 million - Merry Christmas II

2014 - .3 million - Elusive Chnateuse

2015 - .4 million - Infinity

2018 - .2 million - Caution

2020 - .1 million - Rarities

2020 - .2 million - Magical Crhistmas

[Cruel Summer]

3 minutes ago, Anomaly said:

Taylor Swift will obviously have a bigger career than Mariah; that is obvious at this point imo. She will probably even pass Madonna in career achievement when all is said and done. Taylor is HUGE.

 

However… while I don’t question the legitimacy of Chartmasters specifically; I like the site just as much as any other source. I do question the legitimacy of streaming equivalent units in the first place, and I always have since they were first adopted. It all seems rather arbitrary. An album sale is an album sale… very straight forward. But what exactly is a streaming equivalent unit? According to Billboard I believe 3,750/1,250 streams equals one album? Why? Where does this number come from? Why not just 500 streams? Why not 5,000? Just seems like a messy way to compare modern music consumption to traditional sales.

 

Personally, I think too much of a focus is put on overall career units/sales. The industry and reporting changes too much for it to really mean anything. A determination of who the biggest artists are should be more comprehensive and consider all career achievements at the time period they were achieved. Either way I do think that at this rate Taylor will eventually be the biggest woman artist of all time. Or at least really close to Madonna. Taylor’s consistency is just unprecedented.

Streaming unit equivalents are not calculated arbitrarily; the conversion rates come from the amount of revenue generated by average streams, either paid or ad-supported (the numbers are different for both) compared to the amount of revenue generated by pure album sales. The two figures you listed specifically are allegedly Billboard's specific rates and will closely resemble those used by other industry sources and institutions, but technically, they are not completely confirmed as Billboard's formula and Luminate's specific data points are considered proprietary intellectual property.

[sasashite]

1 hour ago, stevyy said:

so 60 million albums is more than 150 million albums? 

 

What is the truth? 

 

Why did Guinness rank Mariah ahead of Taylor?

Your reading comprehension is terrible.

 

No one said Taylor sold more traditional albums than Mariah. However, Taylor moved more album equivalent units.

 

And if you have a problem with units originated from streams and downloads, I'm sorry for you. You might consider reaching out to Billboard, RIAA, IFPI, or any official organization that utilizes album-equivalent units data so you can explain that we're stuck in the 1990s and that the music industry hasn't changed.

[NEX]

So she'll pretty much be #9 on their list ~by the end of next year? 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

People who have problem with equivalent units, they can cry to ifpi who themselves said she moved 23 million albums last year. Please come to 2023. If mariah had debuted today, she would've sold in equivalents as well. And the way Taylor loves vinyls, we can make an argument that it should be counted three times more than a pure album, because it is worth more than cd. Sit down. We can argue about touring too. Then you will cry with excuses. 

 

Thing is whatever the format is, top artist will succeed in it. Like eminem who like Taylor is successful across all three formats. By the way Taylor has moved around 75 million pure albums ( Chinese sales are pure albums and ifpi count them as pure sales. Chartmasters keeping them in other section is something I always disagree with) . It's not like she sold nothing in pure. She sells like three to four million in catalog pure sales every year worldwide. She will even touch 100 million pure sales anyday becoming only 21 st century artist to do so. So stfu. Records get broken. That doesn't mean your fave is not legendary. 

[KOMH]

3 hours ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

Taylor didn't outsell Marian in the USA, Europe, Asia, Latin America and Oceania but she outsold Mariah in some way.

She outcertified her by a considerable margin in at least two of those but ok

[Oceania]

*units

[JaXXXon]

3 hours ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

Taylor didn't outsell Marian in the USA, Europe, Asia, Latin America and Oceania but she outsold Mariah in some way.

The Swifties’ narrative these past couple of days is unmatched: 

 

“Taylor Swift only rivals the Beatles but she does not after all considering she’s third among female artists and way behind them but she’s the third biggest female of all time on a site that we don’t normally treat as reliable unless of course it’s about Taylor then it’s okay and she’s now third among all females but according to Guinness World Records she's behind Rihanna but that’s okay because she sold 1 million copies outside of the US but none of those can be accounted for but she’s like the third biggest or the fourth biggest or rivals The Beatles or she doesn’t but she’s still the biggest of all time despite not being bigger than Madonna but she rivals the Beatles without stats to back it up because she sold 15 million units this year in the US which is unprecedented until it isn’t because Eminem sold more in 2002 but she’s bigger then him but she isn’t but she’s the new MJ” 

 

The way they are a joke to everybody but their own co-stans is the funniest thing ever 

Edited November 5, 2023 by JaXXXon

[JaXXXon]

12 hours ago, FolkLover1989 said:

I don't trust chartmasters 100% but even without them this was very obvious for anyone who follows charts 

Translated: I don’t trust Chartmasters unless it’s about Taylor 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

The joke is on people who add albums with singles to come with record sales. By that logic, billie dua sold nothing as record sales concept makes no sense today. Ifpi billboard themselves use equivalents methodology now, but sure stay oblivious.

 

Billboard says Taylor sold 14 million albums this year. Ifpi said she sold 23 million albums last year's I guess you don't have brain capacity to digest it. Because it is only way to cope and please yourself. As she will keep going up and up. And eventually become best selling female artist of all time. And one day best selling solo artist. It must be hard to digest

Edited November 5, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[JaXXXon]

So Mariah who released 10 official studio albums with original songs and had hits attached to each of them being surpassed by a female artist who has fans buying two versions of the same albums without any big hits attached to most of them with 20 deluxe versions and color variants of albums that they then add more units to by streaming them and all of that from a site that isn’t reliable is somehow an achievement? 
 

If we only counted regular studio albums and singles without any rereleases or clock-building special editions then Taylor is not close to Mariah at all. 
 

PS. Isn’t it funny how Taylor made her fans buy several copies of the same album to built a CLOCK and then all the Swifites get to do in their own threads on this site is get CLOCKED? 

Edited November 5, 2023 by JaXXXon