artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[Poncho Barlliams]

who cares ? Chartmasters is not an audited vehicle like the RIAA or IFPI, it is just a website created by a French member of UKMix who has always underestimated Mariah's sales worldwide.

[Both Sides Now]

It’s been clear to me since folklore smashed that Taylor would end up matching and surpassing Mariah/Céline.
 

Since Midnights, I think it’s clear she will end up moving the most units of any female ever. 
 

Congrats to her 

[Poncho Barlliams]

22 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Well Taylor is on top of the world in her 17th year right now and Mariah was just about to enter musical irrelevancy in her 17th year so that isn't very surprising. 

 

In fact, ironically Mariah released E=MC² in her 18th career year in 2008 to a debut week of 463,000, which was later the same year surpassed by Taylor's Fearless debut of 592,000. Just this week, in her 17th career year, Taylor opened a re-recording to a career best opening of 1.5-1.6 million 

It's not a fair comparison because Mariah already debuted with high sales in the industry, Taylor didn't, she grew gradually.  For example, Music Box sold 8 million across Europe, no Taylor album came even close to that.

[PoisonedIvy]

Mariah is one of the biggest artists of all time, it’s an honor for Taylor to have reached that echelon. Whether CM is entirely accurate or not, Taylor is undoubtedly in the legendary tier of artists that is Madonna/Mariah/Whitney/Celine and that in itself is the highest honor.  

[cruelhprince]

congrats Taylegend

[byzantium]

This is quite an achievement.  Glad we get to live to see another MPG enter the pantheon of great legends. 

[GlamSlam]

1 hour ago, LOTF said:

The fact that little monsters have to stick to Taylor because their fave wasn't able to hold a candle to Madonna will never not be funny to me. Poor it

Well said!!!

[Maroonx]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

Anticipating the arrival of a few users and their fumes 

 

I was just gonna mention that... the meltdowns will be epic 

[sasashite]

1 hour ago, Mandalay said:

Poor Mariah. They didn't count the number of times people play the Music Box CD for her 'units'.

Taylor sold 60 million CDs/vinyl/digital albums and 160 million digital singles. They didn’t count the number of times those records were played either.

 

But you don’t see Taylor Swift fans crying about it.

[TROJAN]

What a great day for us swifties 

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, Lament said:

The tweet is about units (albums + singles, etc.) not only albums, so Big Energy could have made a difference. It's 3xP in the US (well, not all from the remix but anyway.) You and I both agree though, it wouldn't make a big difference, but MC's announcements are always weird to me because they don't update some artists often.

I mean each CSPC unit, even in the other category, is a song's streams equated to an album sale. Even if we assume all of BE's 3 million song units can be accredited to Mariah, that still has to be equated to album equivalent units (paid streams/1500, unpaid streams/6750 and sales/10), and that means that BE theoretically may have contributed at most 2-300k for Mariah, but given that the majority of the sales and almost 3/4 of the Spotify streams (not sure about other services, but the ratio is probably similar) are attributable to the solo version, Mariah would be lucky to walk away with more than 50k orphan units from BE. Thus, about 6 hours of Taylor's consumption this week. 

 

I'm not sure what the song did outside the US (which doesn't really impact much of the math given the majority of the units come from global streaming calculations), but I'd be surprised if it moved the needle much at all. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by wastedpotential

[ReH2o]

[adylovestaylorandjb]

The thing is which happened to me in other post that people automatically assume that Taylor outselling their fave make their faves achievement less. That isn't true. They all have legendary careers. Female artists weren't treated fairly till madonna , whitney came into scene with massive album sales, later celine and mariah joining. They were still less awarded back then still. To reach their numbers is historic achievement. 

 

The most crazy part is pace of Taylor. She took 14.5 years to reach her first 100 million album units landmark in 2021. But to reach 200 million, it will take her just three more years by early 2024. It is historic peak backed by biggest tour of all time. No one thought anyone will join big four. Taylor did and by massive way. And the pace is historic. 

 

Using pure sales to put down her achievements is crazy  still she is around 75 million pure album sales in this day and age. Download era killed album sales. Streaming brought album consumption back and she has been always an album seller. Her streams has replaced traditional album sales and this is how top album sellers wouldve sold in pure albums, if it was the dominant factor in market. . Streaming has reached places where physicals barely sold in past. In fact argument can be made that streaming numbers are actually downweighted. There is no perfect method. But equivalent is best transparent method we have to balance equations. Mariah will be forever legendary whose blueprint can be seen in every music show. Taylor overtaking her sales don't make her less of legend. 

[TouchinFree]

How is her sale figures being counted? Is this including scooter's version of her catalogue? ( Her original one).

 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

3 minutes ago, TouchinFree said:

How is her sale figures being counted? Is this including scooter's version of her catalogue? ( Her original one).

 

Yes.. Most artist masters are not owned by them. That doesn't mean their sales are not counted in their career sales. Not mutually exclusive. Especially she wrote all of her stuff and still get her writing royalities! 

[TouchinFree]

3 hours ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Yes.. Most artist masters are not owned by them. That doesn't mean their sales are not counted in their career sales. Not mutually exclusive. Especially she wrote all of her stuff and still get her writing royalities! 

No wonder she's pulling those stats then. That isn't fair at all. Mariah and others are still ahead in that case. 

 

That's like adding Beyonce's and JT's sales from their bands to their solo careers but even worse. Not completely equal if you ask me. I knew something was off with those numbers  

Edited November 5, 2023 by TouchinFree

[WildHeart]

2 minutes ago, TouchinFree said:

No wonder she's pulling those stats then. That isn't fair at all. Mariah and others are still on top. 

 

That's like adding Beyonce's and JT's sales from the bands to their solo careers but even worse. Not completely equal if you ask me. I knew something was off with those numbers.  

How is adding Taylor's own albums to her own career comparable to adding Destiny's Child or NSYNC's albums to Beyonce and JT? 

 

So 1989 or Reputation's sales shouldn't count to Taylor's career because... Scooter bought them? 

[TouchinFree]

10 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

How is adding Taylor's own albums to her own career comparable to adding Destiny's Child or NSYNC's albums to Beyonce and JT? 

 

So 1989 or Reputation's sales shouldn't count to Taylor's career because... Scooter bought them? 

Im not saying they shouldn't be counted. But all those records don't mean anything since she's profiting from double releases. So now she has the advantage of people buying both versions, hers and the ones Scooter owns. Obviously she's going to keep on going up in sales surpassing all ahead of her as "Biggest selling artists". 

 

That's like Rihanna, Mariah , celine and other re releasing all of their back catalogues and marketing them as new albums. With different covers and added new songs and new videos. Not to mention how Madonna would benefit from all of that specifically and would most likely be surpassing the billion mark. 

 

Taylor should be celebrated in her own category as having double albums 

 

Also: you just said how is adding her " OWN" albums. Isn't that the whole idea of her re recording and re releasing new albums? To erode her back catalogue and capitalize the new ones. Come on, you can't have that cake and eat it too. She's basically starting clean. 

Edited November 5, 2023 by TouchinFree

[Mandalay]

6 hours ago, sasashite said:

Taylor sold 60 million CDs/vinyl/digital albums and 160 million digital singles. They didn’t count the number of times those records were played either.

 

But you don’t see Taylor Swift fans crying about it.

Cry? Lol. Taylor's fans should be more concerned about her shoving every output and not having remarkable hits.

[Toxicity.]

She would pass Celine by summer of next year. Then Eminem and Elton to crack the top 8 by 2025. Madonna is still a long way off tho  

[Cain]

26 minutes ago, TouchinFree said:

No wonder she's pulling those stats then. That isn't fair at all. Mariah and others are still ahead in that case. 

 

That's like adding Beyonce's and JT's sales from their bands to their solo careers but even worse. Not completely equal if you ask me. I knew something was off with those numbers  

I’m one of the biggest Taylor Swift haters on this site and even I can admit this doesn’t make any sense, why would they not count?

[WildHeart]

4 minutes ago, TouchinFree said:

That's like Rihanna, Mariah , celine and other re releasing all of their back catalogues and marketing them as new albums. With different covers and added new songs and new videos. Not to mention how Madonna would benefit from all of that specifically and would most likely be surpassing the billion mark. 

That's called a Greatest Hits Album. Most of those artists had that. 

 

5 minutes ago, TouchinFree said:

To erode her back catalogue and capitalize the new ones. Come on, you can't have that cake and eat it too. She's basically starting clean. 

 

6 minutes ago, TouchinFree said:

But all those records don't mean anything since she's profiting from double releases. So now she has the advantage of people buying both versions, hers and the ones Scooter owns

You just contradict yourself... 

 

6 minutes ago, Mandalay said:

Taylor's fans should be more concerned about her shoving every output and not having remarkable hits.

Even her 2008 songs are still charting in the top 200 daily. We don't have to worry about that thankfully 

[Cruel Summer]

21 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

How is adding Taylor's own albums to her own career comparable to adding Destiny's Child or NSYNC's albums to Beyonce and JT? 

 

So 1989 or Reputation's sales shouldn't count to Taylor's career because... Scooter bought them? 

The argument that Taylor hasn’t earned achievements like this because she’s rerecording her stolen masters is an entirely new one and I don’t really even know how to respond to it. 
 

Artists have had the option to rerelease, remix, remaster, rerecord, re-whatever since the beginning of recorded music. They don’t tend to do it the way Taylor is doing it because it will not be profitable for them in the same way.

 

Like somehow we’re supposed to think that music recorded by Taylor Swift and released under the same Taylor Swift name used for her current name… doesn’t count? Like we just pretend it didn’t happen?

[Orsay]

Chartmasters

 

 

[stevyy]

8 hours ago, sasashite said:

It feels right. Taylor is extremely huge and has more successful albums than Mariah and pretty much than every other female artist. 

1990 - 14 million - Mariah Carey

1991 - 8 million - Emotions

1992 - 7 million - MTV Unplugged

1993 - 27 million - Music Box

1994 - 15 million - Merry Christmas

1995 - 20 million - Daydream

1997 - 10 million - Butterfly

1998 - 17 million - #1's

1999 - 7 million - Rainbow

2001 - 2,5 million - Glitter

2001 - 5 million - Greatest Hits

2002 - 3 million - Charmbracelet

2003 - .5 million - The Remixes

2005 - 9 million - TEOM

2008 - 2,5 million - E=MC²

2009 - 1 million - The Ballads

2009 - 1,5 million - Memoirs

2010 - 1 million - Merry Christmas II

2014 - .3 million - Elusive Chnateuse

2015 - .4 million - Infinity

2018 - .2 million - Caution

2020 - .1 million - Rarities

2020 - .2 million - Magical Crhistmas

= 152,2 million

 

It's fascinating that Taylor Swift has sold more than 152,2 million traditional albums worldwide. Last time I checked she was at 70 million. She has sold 100 million traditional albums in 2023? 

 

Where?

 

Maybe 250 million albums with sps this year. 

 

I never thought Taylor Swift could sell almost 300 million albums sps in one calender year.