artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[Poncho Barlliams]

13 hours ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

That isn't the point. I was showing Mariah catalog streams are messy outside her xmas catalog , and how whitney have more non xmas classics overall on streaming and you mentioned pre 2000 era artist. Not her peers. Read your post.. Maybe write clearly? 

 

Eminem I mentioned because of that logic. And hew he has sold 130 million pure album sales and now is smashing streaming without an xmas song. 90s gen artist. Mariah catalog is still mostly forgotten

Mariah is the best performing pre-2000 artist in streaming, even without Christmas.

[Poncho Barlliams]

11 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

Guinness World Records is not a chart organization. It is a beer company spinoff used primarily for PR and for factoids that they put in books that are largely sold to children. Their methodologies are not shared by music industry publications and their sources for claims like this are dubious (as in, literally a remark Madonna made on a Jimmy Fallon episode, for example).

This new Guinness Book article came out precisely to promote Madonna's Celebration Tour, it is obvious that it is publicity material.

 

Back to the theme of the topic, Taylor did pass Mariah in sps sales, but not in pure sales.  I understand sps was a way to keep the music industry warm, but personally I think it's absurd to buy and mix these two forms of consumption.

 

It's one thing to leave your house and go to Target to buy a Mariah album, it's another to open Spotify in the comfort of my home and stream 'Lover'.

 

That's why there is this reluctance to accept and understand, but we cannot deny the Taylor Swift phenomenon, the view I have as a Brazilian is that all of America is obsessed with her. 😆

 

[Poncho Barlliams]

8 hours ago, Maroonx said:

I can't speak for other acts babes, and I'm sure you're right... But here I'm only making reference to Taylor and Mariah. Therefore from Billboard reported sales, I know for a fact that none of her certified units are based on shipments.

Nielson was created in 1991, we can imagine that they did not report hundreds or thousands of copies that Mariah's debut album sold, another point is that Nielson only covered the entire American territory in 2018, so we can assume that during the height of Mariah, many sales were not reported, the market was becoming authorized, it was not modern like in the Taylor Swift era.

 

Another point is that Nielsen did not report the sales of albums that had exclusivity with the Walmart chain, as was the case with Blackout in 2008. So we can imagine that many artists did not have their sales reported properly.

 

 

 

[Poncho Barlliams]

8 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

I love Janet too but it's valuable for some of these girlies to gain some perspective. A classic isn't a classic if the people aren't bothering to listen to it at all 

Here in Brazil, Taylor has a classic called Love Story 😆

[spree]

29 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

This new Guinness Book article came out precisely to promote Madonna's Celebration Tour, it is obvious that it is publicity material.

 

Back to the theme of the topic, Taylor did pass Mariah in sps sales, but not in pure sales.  I understand sps was a way to keep the music industry warm, but personally I think it's absurd to buy and mix these two forms of consumption.

 

It's one thing to leave your house and go to Target to buy a Mariah album, it's another to open Spotify in the comfort of my home and stream 'Lover'.

 

That's why there is this reluctance to accept and understand, but we cannot deny the Taylor Swift phenomenon, the view I have as a Brazilian is that all of America is obsessed with her. 😆

 

It is absurd. New artists get the benefit of having every play counted, but it’s impossible to retroactively count every play from a cassette or cd and they only count as 1 cuz streaming wasn’t around. It’s apples and oranges. 

[istan4badgalriri]

15 hours ago, Klein said:

We've reached the point where value is put in a Wikipedia page. This is too much I'm outta here. 

And you guys are making threads using the unofficial, estimated numbers of a blog that nobody knows outside the stan world as the sole source. How’s that better ? 

[Axelios]

2 hours ago, spree said:

It is absurd. New artists get the benefit of having every play counted, but it’s impossible to retroactively count every play from a cassette or cd and they only count as 1 cuz streaming wasn’t around. It’s apples and oranges. 

I'm pretty confident most physical albums were not played enough times to count for even 1 sale. At the end of the day, it is mich harder to accumulate sps units today compared the 90s/2000s. It's not a coincidence CM list is dominated by artists of that time.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Axelios

[FolkLover1989]

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

And you guys are making threads using the unofficial, estimated numbers of a blog that nobody knows outside the stan world as the sole source. How’s that better ? 

Even if we don't use this

 

Do you seriously think Rihanna is bigger than Taylor in overall units ??  

the desperation for no reason

Edited November 6, 2023 by FolkLover1989

[istan4badgalriri]

8 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Even if we don't use this

 

Do you seriously think Rihanna is bigger than Taylor in overall units ??  

the desperation for no reason

It’s not what I think, it’s just what official sources and official numbers are saying.

[bluebirdsforever]

To quote an ATRL legend: “but are we robots sis? Or computers?”

 

Yes, when you look purely at years-old outdated certifications, Taylor has been outsold by a long list of people.

 

But do we really need certifications to tell us what is right in front of our faces, especially when - in Taylor’s case - those certifications will likely never be updated for her Big Machine material? 

 

Trust Chartmasters or not, the writing is on the wall that Taylor is well on her way to being the biggest-selling female of all time in total consumption (though it must be said that everyone is more than happy to use Chartmasters as a source until it starts saying something they don’t like).

 

Name a single other female artist seventeen years into her career who was still getting these numbers, with no sign of slowing down - they don’t exist. The list of artists full stop getting these numbers is also getting shorter and shorter, if it isn’t already non-existent.

[FolkLover1989]

46 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

It’s not what I think, it’s just what official sources and official numbers are saying.

Which official numbers??

 

GWR??? When did it become chart company 

That's even worse than Chartmasters 

Good luck omg 

[Klein]

1 hour ago, bluebirdsforever said:

To quote an ATRL legend: “but are we robots sis? Or computers?”

 

Yes, when you look purely at years-old outdated certifications, Taylor has been outsold by a long list of people.

 

But do we really need certifications to tell us what is right in front of our faces, especially when - in Taylor’s case - those certifications will likely never be updated for her Big Machine material? 

 

Trust Chartmasters or not, the writing is on the wall that Taylor is well on her way to being the biggest-selling female of all time in total consumption (though it must be said that everyone is more than happy to use Chartmasters as a source until it starts saying something they don’t like).

 

Name a single other female artist seventeen years into her career who was still getting these numbers, with no sign of slowing down - they don’t exist. The list of artist getting these numbers full stop is also getting shorter and shorter, if it isn’t already non-existent.

Indeed! 

 

EDIT: @istan4badgalriri you deleted the thread "Chartmasters: Rihanna 93M, biggest female this millenium" from 2019, but you forgot to also delete this one from 2017 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Klein

[istan4badgalriri]

24 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Which official numbers??

 

GWR??? When did it become chart company 

That's even worse than Chartmasters 

Good luck omg 

Guinness World Records worse than a blog that no relevant publication, newspaper or media has ever cited, do you hear yourself 😭

 

Certified units also have Rihanna ahead by a large margin and these are actually official units whether you like it or not!

[Axelios]

17 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Guinness World Records worse than a blog that no relevant publication, newspaper or media has ever cited, do you hear yourself 😭

 

Certified units also have Rihanna ahead by a large margin and these are actually official units whether you like it or not!

Do you think Rihanna has more total album sps units than Taylor Swift?

[istan4badgalriri]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

Do you think Rihanna has more total album sps units than Taylor Swift?

She’s ahead in records sold and certified units and that’s according to numbers that are actually official. 

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

She’s ahead in records sold and certified units and that’s according to numbers that are actually official. 

You didn't answer the question. Certifications are not automatic/don't exist in most places and I didn't ask about "records sold".

[Harsh2256]

Really praying Madonna's discography gets a huge resurgence all of a sudden and she ends up moving 80-100M cspc units Outta nowhere idc. 

[byzantium]

4 hours ago, Klein said:

Indeed! 

 

EDIT: @istan4badgalriri you deleted the thread "Chartmasters: Rihanna 93M, biggest female this millenium" from 2019, but you forgot to also delete this one from 2017 

 

 

Wow.  Why am I not even surprised. 

[istan4badgalriri]

4 hours ago, Klein said:

Indeed! 

 

EDIT: @istan4badgalriri you deleted the thread "Chartmasters: Rihanna 93M, biggest female this millenium" from 2019, but you forgot to also delete this one from 2017 

 

 

Thanks I just deleted it!

[Klein]

6 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Wow.  Why am I not even surprised. 

Yeah, it's very clear why CM stopped being a reliable source in late 2020. 

[istan4badgalriri]

3 hours ago, Axelios said:

You didn't answer the question. Certifications are not automatic/don't exist in most places and I didn't ask about "records sold".

Yeah you asked about album-equivalent units when the topic is: best-selling artists of all time. That's off topic.

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Yeah you asked about album-equivalent units when the topic is: best-selling artists of all time. That's off topic.

The topic is about Mariah Carey and you are here talking about Rihanna so do you really want to talk about being off topic? 

[Feanor]

7 minutes ago, Klein said:

Yeah, it's very clear why CM stopped being a reliable source in late 2020. 

Forget Chartmasters, that user even questioned the legitimacy of IFPI and Music News just because their official facts did not fit their POV. 

[Poncho Barlliams]

48 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Forget Chartmasters, that user even questioned the legitimacy of IFPI and Music News just because their official facts did not fit their POV. 

Chartmasters lost credibility when he refused to accept Sony Asia's reports on Mariah's sales.

[Finkypop]

Chartmasters lost its credibility for many users on here the moment Taylor’s smashery skyrocketed. It’s so funny how people that swore by it years ago now think it’s the worst thing ever. Good thing Chartmasters isn’t the only source that shows Taylor’s stompage all over their fave