artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

That's still the standard today, in all music industries. 

Billboard track sales not shipments.

[stevyy]

6 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Yes Glitter is the perfect example of this happening. More recently, Adele 30 too.

 

you are aware that soundscan never tracked 100% of the market, right?

 

 

[Maroonx]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

That's still the standard today, in all music industries. 

Not as much as back then... In fact nowadays most record labels aren't paying to get albums certified. 

[Axelios]

Just now, stevyy said:

you are aware that soundscan never tracked 100% of the market, right?

 

 

And?

[stevyy]

Just now, Axelios said:

Billboard track sales not shipments.

I thought we are talking about the RIAA - the official body which certifies music in the United States. 

 

The same conversation can be had about the BVMI or RIAJ or SNEP.

 

The BPI is - to my knowledge - the only entity which certified for automatic sales. 

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, Maroonx said:

Not as much as back then... In fact nowadays most record labels aren't paying to get albums certified. 

That must be an artist specific thing because I can see all kinds of acts getting re-certs every single week. 

[stevyy]

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

And?

you were insinuating sth and I provided a fact to counter that.

[Fleahive]

13 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

They shipped it, but it got shipped back indeed 

Like Taylor’s debut album as a gift from her daddy 

[Maroonx]

2 minutes ago, stevyy said:

That must be an artist specific thing because I can see all kinds of acts getting re-certs every single week. 

I can't speak for other acts babes, and I'm sure you're right... But here I'm only making reference to Taylor and Mariah. Therefore from Billboard reported sales, I know for a fact that none of her certified units are based on shipments.

[Mocha]

2.5 mil sales worldwide seems meagre considering we have 7 billion people in the audience 

 

[Solaria]

25 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

And you'd know all about someone not having classics, right

 

 

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Janet's daily streams of her top songs:

 

TTWLG - 56k

Together Again - 53k

All For You - 46k

Got Til It's Gone - 44k

Scream - 32k

Any Time, Any Place - 21k

How classic is a song, even if it was a hit at the time, if people today literally aren't bothering to listen to it? 

Now sis, go easy on Mama Janet. Tay loves her

 

[byzantium]

5 minutes ago, Fleahive said:

Like Taylor’s debut album as a gift from her daddy 

Are you really coming after the bestselling album of 2006 in the US?  

[Axelios]

7 minutes ago, stevyy said:

you were insinuating sth and I provided a fact to counter that.

So you believe that around 40% of Glitter sales were not tracked for some mysterious reason ? 

If you're really that delusional we might as well stop there

[stevyy]

5 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

I can't speak for other acts babes, and I'm sure you're right... But here I'm only making reference to Taylor and Mariah. Therefore from Billboard reported sales, I know for a fact that none of her certified units are based on shipments.

I never trusted BB. BB said a decade ago that Merry Christmas had sold 15 million copies worldwide. 

 

IF that were true... it should be closer to 20m today. (Chartsmasters, however, has it at 13,4m since 2017). 

[stevyy]

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

So you believe that around 40% of Glitter sales were not tracked for some mysterious reason ? 

If you're really that delusional we might as well stop there

Well, Charmbracelet - one year later - sold 140k on BMG Music Club, not tracked by SS. 

 

I believe the common practice was that stores could return unsold copies. 

[Lille]

She'll be #1 within the next five years

[Axelios]

2 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Well, Charmbracelet - one year later - sold 140k on BMG Music Club, not tracked by SS. 

 

I believe the common practice was that stores could return unsold copies. 

Thanks for reminding us of the club sales fraud which makes 90s/2000s certifications even more pointless.

Edited November 5, 2023 by Axelios

[Maroonx]

2 minutes ago, stevyy said:

I never trusted BB. BB said a decade ago that Merry Christmas had sold 15 million copies worldwide. 

 

IF that were true... it should be closer to 20m today. (Chartsmasters, however, has it at 13,4m since 2017). 

You bring up a good point... All I see are articles saying it's shifted 15 million WW.

[wastedpotential]

18 minutes ago, Fleahive said:

Like Taylor’s debut album as a gift from her daddy 

Not when it was the longest charting album of the 2000s and was selling tens of thousands per week for years on end

[wastedpotential]

12 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Now sis, go easy on Mama Janet. Tay loves her

 

I love Janet too but it's valuable for some of these girlies to gain some perspective. A classic isn't a classic if the people aren't bothering to listen to it at all 

[Maroonx]

Going back into this topic, re-reading posts and seeing so many "new members" casually doing their first posts in this topic... Where are the ATRL police to investigate member fraud plz x

 

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Talent winning 

[TROJAN]

Queen. I love her

[Namie-Knowles]

Why are y'all arguing for twelve pages over Chartmasters. Congratulations Taylor

[GagaChina]

madonna, don't get comfortable you're next