artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[The Music Industry]

3 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

FUME! 

That's record sales, which like I just said, is a methodology that isn't used by a single chart organization in the world. I'm sure you could understand why, in topics about chart success, people would rather used methodologies (ie. equivalent units) approved and used by charts, right? 

 

That's cute for you tho! Congrats on your fave being ahead with a flawed methodology that is recognized and used by a total of ZERO chart organizations in the world I guess!

Edited November 5, 2023 by The Music Industry

[stevyy]

16 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

cheers lav... It still shows Taylor above Mariah on that one... x

it has Mariah at 220 million - which is ridiculously low. for someone with 150 million albums sales + 120 million singles sales. 

[Brikenbur]

Whew girlies let’s just accept the facts and go about our Sunday 

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, The Music Industry said:

That's record sales, which like I just said, is a methodology that isn't used by a single chart organization in the world. I'm sure you could understand why, in topics about chart success, people would rather used methodologies approved and used by charts, right? 

 

That's cute for you I guess tho! Congrats on your fave being ahead with a methodology that is recognized and used by a total of ZERO chart organizations in the world!

most charts organizations also separate albums from singles sales. 

 

Chartsmasters combines both as well. 

[Maroonx]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

it has Mariah at 220 million - which is ridiculously low. for someone with 150 million albums sales + 120 million singles sales. 

Oh I'm sure that is incorrect tbh... I was just entertaining that member babes x

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

it has Mariah at 220 million - which is ridiculously low. for someone with 150 million albums sales + 120 million singles sales. 

Would a Rihanna stan lie though? 

[Maroonx]

Just now, byzantium said:

Would a Rihanna stan lie though? 

especially from a member who's first 7 posts are all in this particular thread... Call Ryan

 

[Cruel Summer]

6 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

FUME! 

Guinness World Records is not a chart organization. It is a beer company spinoff used primarily for PR and for factoids that they put in books that are largely sold to children. Their methodologies are not shared by music industry publications and their sources for claims like this are dubious (as in, literally a remark Madonna made on a Jimmy Fallon episode, for example).

[The Music Industry]

3 minutes ago, stevyy said:

most charts organizations also separate albums from singles sales. 

 

No? Most chart organizations include streaming equivalents and track sales equivalents for their album charts. Same thing for those who have artists charts. Maybe back in 2010, but now we're in 2023. 

[Maroonx]

1 minute ago, Cruel Summer said:

Guinness World Records is not a chart organization. It is a beer company spinoff used primarily for PR and for factoids that they put in books that are largely sold to children. Their methodologies are not shared by music industry publications and their sources for claims like this are dubious (as in, literally a remark Madonna made on a Jimmy Fallon episode, for example).

[Klein]

9 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

FUME! 

And Guinness is a chart organization since...? 

[Maroonx]

2 minutes ago, Klein said:

And Guinness is a chart organization since...? 

This is literally reminding me of one member 2 weeks ago saying Midnights had 2 mil, and Lover 3 mil units, because that's what RIAA certified it... and Billboard reporting 6 million for each was fake news...

 

[Klein]

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

Even back in the peak of the physical sales era in the 90s, industry sources were using units. IFPI counted three physical single sales as an album unit as far back as 1994 for their annual reports. It’s an idea that’s older than a huge proportion of users on this forum. And now Billboard, Luminate, the RIAA, IFPI, just about every single industry source bases their metrics on it, and somehow we’re expected to doubt its validity? Not to mention how the RIAA (and nearly every other certification body on earth) using it destroys the “but they’ve never published an all-time list!!!” argument since the RIAA does in fact certify albums and singles from any era if a label is willing to pay to get them certified, and they give us that data in a neat little database that people can and do use to rank total units. They might be flawed, too, in that a label has to submit their releases for certification and some artists’ labels are terrible at bothering to do that, but it at least shows that the industry itself is in no way averse to considering all of popular music history in the units format.

Let me quote this post for the delulus acting like singles and albums were counted as equal since the dawn of time and will continue to be. 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Klein

[Rev8]

9 minutes ago, Brikenbur said:

Whew girlies let’s just accept the facts and go about our Sunday 

There are no facts tho this thread is a proof that no one knows who is better selling and what-not

 

Tbh I dont even get the obsession atp

They are both obviously super successful, leave it at that maybe??

[stevyy]

8 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

No? Most chart organizations include streaming equivalents and track sales equivalents for their album charts. Same thing for those who have artists charts. Maybe back in 2010, but now we're in 2023. 

i am speaking of sales. please read carefully. 

[stevyy]

It's so confusing when people mix up sales and units. 

 

We are in 2023... we should accept the words ascribed to these formats. Otherwise, nobody knows what we are talking about anymore and people get offended.

[fentymaison]

3 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

There are no facts tho this thread is a proof that no one knows who is better selling and what-not

 

Tbh I dont even get the obsession atp

They are both obviously super successful, leave it at that maybe??

I can agree with this. 

[Finkypop]

23 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

If that helps you sleep better at night lol. 

Says you as you post the same 2 links over and over again while getting clocked repeatedly 

 

[Cruel Summer]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

i am speaking of sales. please read carefully. 

You’re still wrong and they correctly clocked your claim. Album charts today do indeed incorporate single sales into their unit equivalent formulas.

[Starchild]

14 minutes ago, Brikenbur said:

Whew girlies let’s just accept the facts and go about our Sunday 

Do you ever have anything to contribute other than being an obsessed clown?

 

Idk why this site is so bothered by Taylor being the only one up there competing with legends, but I shouldn't be surprised at a stan forum being delusional 

[Itsaliability]

8 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

This is literally reminding me of one member 2 weeks ago saying Midnights had 2 mil, and Lover 3 mil units, because that's what RIAA certified it... and Billboard reporting 6 million for each was fake news...

 

LMAO I remember that thread and user who kept saying Billboard is wrong, Luminate is wrong, IFPI is wrong, RIAA is wrong, everybody and their mothers were wrong in his little bubble even when presented with factual data

[Raspberries]

41 minutes ago, fentymaison said:

The industry has always counted 1 sale as 1 single or 1 album. Streaming is the only metric that has a formula. That has always been the standard since the Industry began. GET OVER IT! TAYLOR WILL NEVER PASS RIHANNA, SHE'S 90+MILLION IN SALES behind. Taylor Swift nor her fans have the power to change industry standard and how music is counted, no matter how much they want to cling to Chartmasters illegitimate chart/ formula . And her music is front loaded, due to her rabid fans. She's only sold around 270 million and is far behind Rihanna and can't even beat Justin Beiber.  

"Her music is front loaded" as if she doesn't have 4 albums over 200+ weeks and multiple solo songs that have charted for 40+ weeks  Absolute lunacy

[Jjang]

Madonna next 

[Raspberries]

6 minutes ago, Itsaliability said:

LMAO I remember that thread and user who kept saying Billboard is wrong, Luminate is wrong, IFPI is wrong, RIAA is wrong, everybody and their mothers were wrong in his little bubble even when presented with factual data

Wait what thread was it  

[Klein]

5 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Madonna next 

We've got a few years before that happen though. Céline is the next one.