charts discussion HDD: "1989 (Taylor's Version)" 1,586,516; beats Midnights, 10 albums top 40

[Klein]

So at what point are they revealing it surpassed Midnights? On Wednesday? 

[KOMH]

Unprecedented smashery your honour

 

[family.guy123]

I think these numbers are going to plummet throughout the week 

[NEX]

4 hours ago, Enrique523 said:

You know what Madonna wasn't doing 17 years into her career? Having albums open with 1M+ copies first week. 

And Madonna's 17 year in the game coincided with the peak album sales and biggest opening weeks on record. So many albums opened north of 1m in that era 

[Cruel Summer]

25 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

I think these numbers are going to plummet throughout the week 

So while this is certainly possible, especially if the preorder numbers were totally incorrect and HDD somehow also based their projections on those same numbers rather than their own industry expertise and early data readings, that's never happened before. Like not even once - I can find evidence as far back as the original Speak Now of HDD underestimating her final weekly sales/units. Even Lover, the closest scenario to what you suggest, had early projections of 800k on average and outdid that.

[MingYouToo]

7 minutes ago, =NEX= said:

And Madonna's 17 year in the game coincided with the peak album sales and biggest opening weeks on record. So many albums opened north of 1m in that era 

Right.

 

Its ridiculous to think Taylor will usurp Madonna's QoP throne because its a cultural capstone representing what Madonna did for women and society. Period. But the argument that Taylor will never be 'bigger' than Madonna is ludicrous because she already is. What Madonna did for society is truly nothing to scoff at and will never be replaced but Taylor is objectively on her way to having a bigger musical career than any solo artist in history. 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

5 hours ago, pokerfaceboy said:

Madonna.

Madonna had couple of underperforming albums. Even though she also had hugh consistent success. Erotica bed timestories American life were considered disappointments

[Chartman]

I think you can commercially ($) outperform any artist in history. There should be no bias to a specific era or decade. Of course it will cause debate among fans if A outsells B and B is a historic important acclaimed songwriting figure and B just jumped on a wave of hits for teens for a couple of years. But commercially speaking and going by facts, A is commercially bigger than B.

[Xtripped]

Legendary. This is a new all time peak for a pop girl.

[JaXXXon]

Could any Swiftie tell me why her highest 1989TV song on Spotify in Italy is at #49, #43 in France, #13 in Brazil, #44 in Columbia, #21 in Mexico, #26 in Poland, #17 in Germany, N/A in Egypt and N/A in Japan when we’re told her success is unparalleled and she’s Michael Jackson and The Beatles? And I am not about to give you the stats from Peru and Sweden and Nigeria and other places where she ain’t #1 either. 
 

Instead of a thumps down y’all could address this once at least and give me a reason why the biggest female of all time’s biggest album could break Spotify in Anglosphere but be a bit of a mediocre success elsewhere, especially considering the songs usually plummet on its second day? 
 

Like, it’s a normal question to your “she’s bigger than MJ” narrative. It doesn’t look like this from

outside of the US. 

[Sweetness]

39 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

Right.

 

Its ridiculous to think Taylor will usurp Madonna's QoP throne because its a cultural capstone representing what Madonna did for women and society. Period. But the argument that Taylor will never be 'bigger' than Madonna is ludicrous because she already is. What Madonna did for society is truly nothing to scoff at and will never be replaced but Taylor is objectively on her way to having a bigger musical career than any solo artist in history. 

She isn't, her stats are lacking outside the US and I didn't write this but another font said this perfectly:

We can start with Austria. In Austria, her highest-charting song from 1989TV is at #8 and she only has two Top 10s there. In Brazil her highest-charting song is #13 and she only has two songs on the Top 20 there. In Columbia her highest-charting song is at #44. In Czech Republic she’s #22. In Denmark her highest charting song is at #19. In Egypt she has ZERO songs in the Top 50. In France her highest charting song is at #43. In Germany it’s #19. In Italy it’s #49. In Poland, it’s #26. In Spain she’s #40.

The Swifties always do this. They completely ignore the stats from other territories and only include the US, the UK and Australia because those are the only places where she can rival the legends. 

Madonna was and still is equally famous in almost every country. The Beatles would’ve probably charted #1 everywhere. 

People on this board that aren’t the Swifties need to shove these stats down their throats because when the last few rereleases had these stats outside of the US what I heard was “just wait until 1989TV comes out” and now it’s out and it’s still not doing “Madonna and Michael Jackson business” anywhere but Anglosphere 

They also claimed that The Eras movie would be the new Barbie but its overseas numbers outside of Anglosphere are not impressive as well. 

They are gaslighting ya’ll into thinking Taylor belongs anywhere near Madonna or MJ or The Beatles when she doesn’t even belong near Adele in most countries in terms of sales. 

tly:

[Shendelzare]

1 minute ago, JaXXXon said:

Could any Swiftie tell me why her highest 1989TV song on Spotify in Italy is at #49, #43 in France, #13 in Brazil, #44 in Columbia, #21 in Mexico, #26 in Poland, #17 in Germany, N/A in Egypt and N/A in Japan when we’re told her success is unparalleled and she’s Michael Jackson and The Beatles? And I am not about to give you the stats from Peru and Sweden and Nigeria and other places where she ain’t #1 either. 
 

Instead of a thumps down y’all could address this once at least and give me a reason why the biggest female of all time’s biggest album could break Spotify in Anglosphere but be a bit of a mediocre success elsewhere, especially considering the songs usually plummet on its second day? 
 

Like, it’s a normal question to your “she’s bigger than MJ” narrative. It doesn’t look like this from

outside of the US. 

the way you keep fuming 

 

 

[Klein]

3 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Like, it’s a normal question to your “she’s bigger than MJ” narrative. It doesn’t look like this from

outside of the US. 

She got 100M streams from outside the US. That's the biggest for any album ever. Keep cherry picking though. That can't be an unhealthy coping mechanism right?  

Edited October 29, 2023 by Klein

[tiagol88]

13 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/adeles-25-official-first-week-844101/

 

Until she sells that, she's absolutely not unmatched.

And wheres adele now? Stuck in vegas after an underperformance.

Edited October 29, 2023 by tiagol88

[Sweetness]

2 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

2 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Could any Swiftie tell me why her highest 1989TV song on Spotify in Italy is at #49, #43 in France, #13 in Brazil, #44 in Columbia, #21 in Mexico, #26 in Poland, #17 in Germany, N/A in Egypt and N/A in Japan when we’re told her success is unparalleled and she’s Michael Jackson and The Beatles? And I am not about to give you the stats from Peru and Sweden and Nigeria and other places where she ain’t #1 either. 
 

Instead of a thumps down y’all could address this once at least and give me a reason why the biggest female of all time’s biggest album could break Spotify in Anglosphere but be a bit of a mediocre success elsewhere, especially considering the songs usually plummet on its second day? 
 

Like, it’s a normal question to your “she’s bigger than MJ” narrative. It doesn’t look like this from

outside of the US. 

 

Last time I checked Madonna still hold records for the most number 1 singles and top 10's on the worldwide basis, I just saw something the other day saying Madonna has the best selling international album in Turkery (Like a prayer) she also had several other albums in the top 10, Taylor is also listed at number 41 for album sales in Brazil, where Madonna is what 2 or 3rd best selling artist in that country.

[JaXXXon]

3 minutes ago, Klein said:

She got 100M streams from outside the US. That's the biggest for any album ever. Keep cherry picking though.

Is naming Austria, Egypt, Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Japan, Mexico, France cherry-picking? 
 

The definition of cherry-picking is mentioning three countries (US, Australia and the UK) and claiming they’re the be all- end all of the world. 
 

She did 100 million but is nowhere near a record breaker in most places and nowhere near Madonna level there is what would be the better answer. 

[Cruel Summer]

What does any of the above have to do with Hits Daily Double's predictions for the first-week unit sales for this album in the US?  

[taylorrrr]

9 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Could any Swiftie tell me why her highest 1989TV song on Spotify in Italy is at #49, #43 in France, #13 in Brazil, #44 in Columbia, #21 in Mexico, #26 in Poland, #17 in Germany, N/A in Egypt and N/A in Japan when we’re told her success is unparalleled and she’s Michael Jackson and The Beatles? And I am not about to give you the stats from Peru and Sweden and Nigeria and other places where she ain’t #1 either. 
 

Instead of a thumps down y’all could address this once at least and give me a reason why the biggest female of all time’s biggest album could break Spotify in Anglosphere but be a bit of a mediocre success elsewhere, especially considering the songs usually plummet on its second day? 
 

Like, it’s a normal question to your “she’s bigger than MJ” narrative. It doesn’t look like this from

outside of the US. 

Oh no, Taylor's gonna have sleepless night for not being #1 at Columbia and Mexico. Her career is OVER!!11!! I love your energy 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

Taylor is only female artist that even without usa, she wouldve streaming record. She will be third Or fourth women to sell 100 million album units outside usa by early 2025. But yeah people here love to use alternate facts. Not to mention even without usa, her eras tour will be biggest female tour of all time that their global faves couldn't😆

 

 

She was number one in so many countries yesterday. I guess anything to cope with! She is about to become best selling female artist in history and you can't just remove America, biggest market from equation. You have to deal with it. And live with it. Records are meant to be broken

Edited October 29, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Is naming Austria, Egypt, Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Japan, Mexico, France cherry-picking? 
 

The definition of cherry-picking is mentioning three countries (US, Australia and the UK) and claiming they’re the be all- end all of the world. 
 

She did 100 million but is nowhere near a record breaker in most places and nowhere near Madonna level there is what would be the better answer. 

Because the bigger picture tells you she did better than anyone else on a WW (excl. US) basis. If other artists peak higher in these countries despite doing less total numbers, that means they not doing as good in other countries. Simple as that. 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

Imagine using pure sales in 2023. Taylor has female streaming record in latin America as well as europe. Pls come to 2023. Thank you. Not to mention all time record in Asia, America, Australia. She is everywhere. Her tour is prime example. 

Midnights moved 1.5 million albums outside usa in debut week. 1989 tv would be doing around same or atleast million outside usa. These people r coping hard

Edited October 29, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[JaXXXon]

4 minutes ago, Sweetness said:

Last time I checked Madonna still hold records for the most number 1 singles and top 10's on the worldwide basis, I just saw something the other day saying Madonna has the best selling international album in Turkery (Like a prayer) she also had several other albums in the top 10, Taylor is also listed at number 41 for album sales in Brazil, where Madonna is what 2 or 3rd best selling artist in that country.

Okay, I think the Swifties might be imploding now but yet another country I just checked and she’s not even Top 50 there 

 

So that now makes it Austria, Belgium, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy,, Portugal, Egypt, Nigeria, Japan, Mexico, Brazil and now Turkey where she isn't doing well on Spotify and the Swifties will continue saying she’s the next Michael Jackson or that this is Beatlemania  

 

Let’s keep the list going! Anyone has the stats for countries where Swift is NOT Madonna level? Let’s humble them. 

[Klein]

6 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Okay, I think the Swifties might be imploding now but yet another country I just checked and she’s not even Top 50 there 

 

So that now makes it Austria, Belgium, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy,, Portugal, Egypt, Nigeria, Japan, Mexico, Brazil and now Turkey where she isn't doing well on Spotify and the Swifties will continue saying she’s the next Michael Jackson or that this is Beatlemania  

 

Let’s keep the list going! Anyone has the stats for countries where Swift is NOT Madonna level? Let’s humble them. 

What is this non sense? Nigeria (#6), Japan (#3) and Turkey (#2) are the only countries you've mentioned (out of 7 with Spotify charts) were she wasn't #1 female. 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Klein

[adylovestaylorandjb]

Tears keep flowing hard by antis😂Daily most-streamed female artists on Spotify per country (Oct. 27, 2023):
Global — Taylor Swift
USA — Taylor Swift
United Kingdom — Taylor Swift
Philippines — Taylor Swift
Argentina — Taylor Swift
Australia — Taylor Swift
Austria — Taylor Swift
Belgium — Taylor Swift
Brazil — Taylor Swift
Bulgaria — Taylor Swift
Canada — Taylor Swift
Denmark — Taylor Swift
Ecuador — Taylor Swift
Estonia — Taylor Swift
Germany — Taylor Swift
Hong Kong — Taylor Swift
Iceland — Taylor Swift
Indonesia — Taylor Swift
Ireland — Taylor Swift
Kazakhstan — Taylor Swift
Latvia — Taylor Swift
Lithuania — Taylor Swift
Luxembourg — Taylor Swift
Malaysia — Taylor Swift
Netherlands — Taylor Swift
New Zealand — Taylor Swift
Norway — Taylor Swift
Poland — Taylor Swift
Portugal — Taylor Swift
Romania — Taylor Swift
Saudi Arabia — Taylor Swift
Singapore — Taylor Swift
Sweden — Taylor Swift
Switzerland — Taylor Swift
Taiwan — Taylor Swift
Thailand — Taylor Swift
United Arab Emirates — Taylor Swift
Uruguay — Taylor Swift
Vietnam — Taylor Swift
Bolivia — Taylor Swift
Chile — Taylor Swift
Costa Rica — Taylor Swift
Czech Republic — Taylor Swift
Egypt — Taylor Swift
El Salvador — Taylor Swift
Finland — Taylor Swift
France — Taylor Swift
Greece — Taylor Swift
Guatemala — Taylor Swift
Honduras — Taylor Swift
Hungary — Taylor Swift
Italy — Taylor Swift
Mexico — Taylor Swift
Morocco — Taylor Swift
Nicaragua — Taylor Swift
Pakistan — Taylor Swift
Panama — Taylor Swift
Paraguay — Taylor Swift
Peru — Taylor Swift
Slovakia — Taylor Swift
South Africa — Taylor Swift
South Korea — Taylor Swift
Spain — Taylor Swift
Ukraine — Taylor Swift
Venezuela — Taylor Swift

[JaXXXon]

14 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

She was number one in so many countries yesterday.

No she wasn’t. This is what I’m talking about.

 

She was #1 in the US, Australia, the UK, New Zealand and Canada but has been outside of the Top 10

in most other territories. 
 

The Swifites are literally manipulating you into thinking that Swift is bigger than she actually is. 
 

The issue at hand is them comparing to MJ or The Beatles and claim it’s like that in the rest of the world. It’s not. She has never reached that kind of fame and the stats in INDIVIDUAL countries prove that. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by JaXXXon