discussion Are gay male fanbases misogynistic?

[LittleStarmen]

1 hour ago, Onyxmage said:

Thats like saying male sports stans are sexist towards men. They literally dissect EVERYTHING about athletes including their bodies. So what is the truth? Celebrity culture is by nature vain and judgemental.

This.

Gender doesnt okay sucha big role all the time

[glitch]

Stanning in and of itself is not misogynistic. Following charts/streams/sales is just an interest like any other.

 

Some of the behaviour that stans exhibit is misogynistic.

 

I personally don't think comparing success of two female artists is misogyny as long as you keep the discussion about their career and don't make it personal.

 

When people make comments on women's bodies, how they should look, their age etc that's when it goes into misogynistic territory.

[JoeAg]

6 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

Sometimes, but straight men are more misogynistic for ignoring female artists so much. 

 

6 hours ago, ohwow said:

as soon as it becomes about their body, looks, etc. and not the art especially

but even when it's about the art, there can be misogyny in the devaluation of women's art in comparison to men's art or in thinking that the art should be made for the [gay] male gaze and not as women's expression

 

in general gay men are usually pretty misogynistic, even if they don't see it, just like non-gay men

all of this 

 

first of all, the fact that straight men often completely stiff women artists for a plethora of asinine reasons (“oh my poor, fragile heterosexuality!” “oh I could never relate!” “oh men make better music!” and the list goes on…) is so frustrating. like no, listening to pop music doesn’t define your sexuality nor should it affect your relationships. no, women are not worse at music than men, in fact some of the best songwriters ever have been women. Nina Simone? Joni Mitchell? Laura Nyro? Judee Sill? Kate Bush? Rickie Lee Jones? Chrissy Hynde? Joan Armatrading? PJ Harvey? Björk? Erykah Badu? Fiona Apple? Joanna Newsom? Mitski? Weyes Blood? any of them (go head, pick!!) could wipe the f*cking floor with any male songwriter, EASY. 2 of my 5 fav songwriters of all time are men (Isaac Brock from Modest Mouse and David Bowie) but I know that my women favs still reign supreme in the songwriting department

 

second of all, yes, gay men do often go for the self-centered perspectives of women’s art needing to be relatable to them in some way. it’s selfish, but I won’t say that it’s not difficult to unlearn. growing up as a masc person in a patriarchal society is a foundation for any man to be all “what about me??” when a woman offers her perspective

 

frankly it’s a very binary conversation, and as someone who identifies with some degree of non-binariness (I consider myself a demiboy) I feel like there’s a lot to be said about how more identities come into play here, but regardless I stand by what I’ve said 

[storminthedark]

All men are misogynistic, so yes.

[imabadkid]

gay men are still men so whatdouthink

[kataraqueen]

6 hours ago, ninasayers said:

What a way to deviate into a thinly veiled transphobic statement. 

Should've said pms but bleeding CAN be part of the female experience and me mentioning it doesn't mean I'm being transphobic lol

[KingWitch]

Yes gay men are generally misogynistic but its so funny to see the lack of accountability in here with everyone trying to deflect the conversation to another group