Liberal Americans of ATRL, is there anything that you agree on with the Conservatives

[WhoWho]

I'm a European, and it genuinely surprises me how polar opposite and radical the political takes are from both sides of the spectrum in America. Even gay marriage, which seemed like a non-issue a couple of years ago in the US' political debate, is now re-surging among Conservative talking points. 

That's why I was curious - Is there anything that US Liberals agree with US Conservatives on?

p.s. Obviously, the title of the thread, the OP & most of the answers are\will be huge generalisations. US political spectrum is not a monolith, that's a given, but still...

[St. Charles]

Not really because lately, a lot of conservative talking points are just based around immediately clashing/bashing whatever the left is doing. They lack creativity recently and are spearheaded by low-effort grifters.

[DeepEnd]

neo-pronouns are dumb.

[Miss Show Business]

Close to nothing. Maybe some foreign policy issues but even that's pushing it.

[brooklyndaddy]

1 minute ago, DeepEnd said:

neo-pronouns are dumb.

this is a non-issue though and an imaginary right wing talking point... do you anyone who ACTUALLY uses them besides a 15 year old furry on Twitter? 

[Afterglow]

You mean is there anything that they agree with us on. 

 

Liberals have not been the problematic party. Anything slightly progressive that comes from the left is immediately shot down by the right, sometimes violently. They see zero sense in gun control even though preschools are getting shot up by their right wing friends, colleagues, etc. They've weaponized the American flag.  Demonized Black Lives Matter and have murdered countless people.

 

I couldn't see anything any rational human being would have in common with American conservatives if it comes to anything other than liking Starbucks.

Edited July 23, 2023 by Afterglow

[réveuse]

Uh idk maybe that tradition is good and that laws are laws?

[WhoWho]

9 minutes ago, Afterglow said:

You mean is there anything that they agree with us on. 

 

Liberals have not been the problematic party.

Ooops, must have been a language barrier. In my native language - you usually agree\disagree with someone who is "loud" in the situation i.e. brings up the points, that's why the title of thread was worded that way. Sorry for the confusion.

Or maybe I just completely misunderstood your point lol

Edited July 23, 2023 by WhoWho

[SuperCiC1]

We need food, water, and shelter to survive.

 

Although even that may be debatable to many conservatives.

[DatChickDoe]

No. The Republican Party is about mentally ill levels of hate. Nothing more at this point. I don’t have a use for hateful people. The good is they are forcing sane people to reconsider being Democratic with their votes. 

[Rotunda]

There are things that I dislike that conservatives also dislike, but probably for very different reasons.

 

For example, I don’t really vibe with DEI initiatives not because I hate the idea of counteracting discrimination, but because I think it’s often done in a disingenuous way that discourages actual action.

 

I think people who define racism as “power + prejudice” are wrong not because I think reverse racism is real, but because the definition is often the result of an oversimplification of what power means, and shuts down important conversations about how oppressed groups still can reaffirm problematic and racist behaviors. For similar reasons I take issue with people who use their neurodivergence or status as a gender/sexual/racial minority as a way to cover up problematic behavior. 

 

 

Edited July 23, 2023 by Rotunda

[Communion]

Yes, people across all political ideologies know strawberry ice cream is disgusting. 

Edited July 23, 2023 by Communion

[WhoWho]

Forgot to tag @Communion. I know that they're gonna come through with interesting takes

[WhoWho]

Just now, Communion said:

Yes, people across all political ideologies know strawberry ice cream is disgusting. 

Damn I literally just tagged you

 

[May]

Just now, Communion said:

Yes, people across all political ideologies know strawberry ice cream is disgusting. 

it’s repulsive .. why is it a thing

 

mint choc chip stays that girl

[Communion]

Just now, Communion said:

Yes, people across all political ideologies know strawberry ice cream is disgusting. 

 

Just now, WhoWho said:

Forgot to tag @Communion. I know that they're gonna come through with interesting takes

 

jnknkkjnj I'm sorry sis

[Afterglow]

16 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

There are things that I dislike that conservatives also dislike, but probably for very different reasons.

 

For example, I don’t really vibe with DEI initiatives not because I hate the idea of counteracting discrimination, but because I think it’s often done in a disingenuous way that discourages actual action.

 

I think people who define racism as “power + prejudice” are wrong not because I think reverse racism is real, but because the definition is often the result of an oversimplification of what power means, and shuts down important conversations about how oppressed groups still can reaffirm problematic and racist behaviors. For similar reasons I take issue with people who use their neurodivergence or status as a gender/sexual/racial minority as a way to cover up problematic behavior. 

 

 

Your statement in itself is a problematic way of thinking and really seems to cheapen and oversimplify the systemic issues these groups face, especially black people. 

[Beyonnaise]

I don’t think the chance of Covid originating and leaking from a lab is zero. I think there’s a lot of unknowns and it’s a possibility because of the proximity of the Wuhan lab where they were studying coronaviruses. The wet market theory is still plausible too, we may never truly know.

 

But the far right idea that it was a Chinese bioweapon is crazy, why would they do that to themselves? And let’s say it did leak from a lab, I don’t think that should necessarily halt any future research into potential viruses, if anything I think it should make scientific funding and prevention efforts more robust.

Edited July 23, 2023 by Beyonnaise

[Afterglow]

8 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

Babe I’m a Black person who has spent years reading and debating Black scholarship. Me having formed my own stance after reading about black nihilism, afropessimism, critical race theory, intersectionality, and whatever else under the sun is not putting groups back. 

Sis I- 

 

tbh figured as much and as a black person myself under a long line of hbcu grads... I think it's sad they are getting our people to think that way after our long, long story and historic lack of power.

 

But as you said you formed your own stance.  

Edited July 23, 2023 by Afterglow

[Rotunda]

8 minutes ago, Afterglow said:

Sis I- 

 

tbh figured as much and as a black person myself under a long line of hbcu grads... I think it's sad they are getting our people to think that way. 

 

But as you said you formed your own stance.  

 What are you talking about? What way do you think I’m thinking?
 

I said that the “power + prejudice” definition of racism as deployed by people in real life is oversimplified.

 

This is because people often interpret it as meaning that only the dominant group can be racist, when power, as defined by Patricia Hill Collins is contextual and operates in a variety of different ways (structural, interpersonal, hegemonic, etc.). 
 

The common refrain that “XYZ can’t be racist, just prejudiced” is used to shut down what should be fruitful conversations because people haven’t considered that power goes beyond the institutional level. 

[byzantium]

I grew up in a purple county in a purple state and a socialist, but can generally find common ground with most conservatives in the community I grew up in.  
 

Personally, I find most people’s biggest frustrations are around class politics which unless you are a hedge fund billionaire, you will find a lot of similarities.  

Edited July 23, 2023 by byzantium

[nadiamendell]

I've grown up a progressive in a red state, and I can say there are many things that we can all find common ground on.... it's the media and politicians tearing us all apart. Conservatives just happen to be more susceptible to propaganda because they tend to be less educated and less likely to have been taught the skills needed to think critically. 

Edited July 24, 2023 by nadiamendell

[Onyxmage]

Yes! Im pretty sure most Americans can agree that the cost of housing is too much!

[naval23]

less taxes for the middle class 

[Artist]

1 hour ago, Afterglow said:

Sis I- 

 

tbh figured as much and as a black person myself under a long line of hbcu grads... I think it's sad they are getting our people to think that way after our long, long story and historic lack of power.

 

But as you said you formed your own stance.  

 DEI whether forced or not is pivotal for change. I can't believe someone would type such a thing and then use their education and race as a frame. Look at all the laws being reversed, if DEI efforts weren't there America would say welcome to the 1860's. But yeah studies and background.