Taylor CSPC update: 159.6M total, surpasses Whitney and Barbra

[RobynYoBank]

On 7/11/2023 at 10:23 AM, Taylena said:

She stills needs more 88M units to surpass Madonna. That's more than half her total units right now. Even if she doesn't slow down and keeps doing 17~20M units / year for the next 4 years she would still not reach Madonna by 2027.  I think she's gonna need at least 7 to 10 years before becoming the undisputed biggest female artist of all time. 

This is true, but also all of the artists in the Top 10 accumulated a significant portion of their units after their heyday, and all signs point to her catalogue being quite secure.

[GreatestLoveofAll]

Truly didnt think it would happen this fast but when your work ethic is as good as Taylor's you get these results 

[Cloröx]

On 7/13/2023 at 5:00 AM, Aristotle said:

She's at 135M albums at best. The formula is inflating her success. 

1500 streams do not equal an album regardless of who says it. 

On 7/13/2023 at 5:23 AM, Arrows said:

It’s a weird formula I agree, but I think the vast majority of albums bought are not listened to 1500 times at all.

It's not really that weird. The revenue generated from 1500 streams (this based on Spotify and they pay artist cheap) almost similar to buying one album. Of course pure sales has wide range of revenue, some as low as $0.99 to over $50 for vinyl but this is different story if music industry follows film industry which based on revenue instead of ticket sales.

 

The formula does not inflate her sales, it's just the music is more accessible nowadays unlike those before digital/streaming era which requires people to go to to record store to buy the album. Streaming also kinda killed piracy so no wonder the current music consumption are overwhelming. You may argue that streaming does not represent the true popularity of an album which most are heavily skewed by hits i.e. Dance Monkey represents 90% of its parent album (not sure the exact number but you get the idea), and the same argument can be used for physical era which people are "forced" to buy the whole album although they only like a few song.

[babycomeround]

On 7/12/2023 at 1:34 AM, MingYouToo said:

Not the same **** again and again. Because popper gays don't use her in Legoslavostovakia she's not global? Most global popgirls are local to America and Europe yet no one questions them whilst Taylor has a chokehold on the entirety of North America, Asia and Oceania yet she's local?

The Swifties just can't help themselves between wearing KKK gowns to the concerts and bullying Lizzo. A truly horrible fanbase.

Edited July 14, 2023 by babycomeround

[Cloröx]

On 7/12/2023 at 8:44 AM, Jjang said:

Aren’t Whitney’s/Barbra’s sales not updated for years, though? Madonna’s haven’t been updated in 7 years too. Big achievement regardless. 

The streams update is automatic. It will take admin sometimes to update pure sales but he already admitted that the number for many artists are minuscule in this current climate (with exception of Taylor, Adele and Korean acts) so do not expect huge jump.

[La Reina]

This is crazy. I remember when "evermore" was released, people were saying her peak was behind her and now that she's in her 30s, it's normal for pop girls to slow down in sales... but then came Midnights, the re-recordings, and the Eras Tour... she really has the music industry in the palm of her hand. What an incredible achievement.

[Rep2000]

4 hours ago, babycomeround said:

The Swifties just can't help themselves between wearing KKK gowns to the concerts and bullying Lizzo. A truly horrible fanbase.

Guess we found the popper gays in a non existent Legoslavostovakia. 

[Toxicity.]

I didn’t think she could before but she could definitely pass Madonna. 

[Protocol]

9 hours ago, Cloröx said:

It's not really that weird. The revenue generated from 1500 streams (this based on Spotify and they pay artist cheap) almost similar to buying one album. Of course pure sales has wide range of revenue, some as low as $0.99 to over $50 for vinyl but this is different story if music industry follows film industry which based on revenue instead of ticket sales.

 

The formula does not inflate her sales, it's just the music is more accessible nowadays unlike those before digital/streaming era which requires people to go to to record store to buy the album. Streaming also kinda killed piracy so no wonder the current music consumption are overwhelming. You may argue that streaming does not represent the true popularity of an album which most are heavily skewed by hits i.e. Dance Monkey represents 90% of its parent album (not sure the exact number but you get the idea), and the same argument can be used for physical era which people are "forced" to buy the whole album although they only like a few song.

This 100% and compilation sales killing studio album sales is a trend that has happened over and over with different artists, showing that by and large the public only wanted the hits. That is why, for example, Bedtime Stories sales fell off sharply when Madonna issued the ballads compilation Something to Remember, which had "Take a Bow" on it, the biggest hit from Bedtime Stories that had been pushing its album sales all year. It's why despite that seven week #1 smash, Bedtime Stories "only" sold like 2.5M copies. A section of the public preferred to buy Something to Remember instead, which also sold around the same amount.

 

Take Tragic Kingdom for example, "Don't Speak" was the biggest song on radio of the 90s but it wasn't issued as a single so people bought the album instead, over 10 million copies of it. Then with their next LP they failed to have a big hit so sales dropped by 90%. The public were only interested in that song.

[Protocol]

11 minutes ago, Toxicity. said:

I didn’t think she could before but she could definitely pass Madonna. 

It's practically guaranteed at this point. It's symptomatic of how the rich get richer in this day and age to a much much higher degree than in the 80s-00s (Madonna's heydays). Every industry is like this now. The people on top make a ton more money than they ever did before. CSPC method is about equalizing different forms of consumption based on revenue. Same reason her tour is bigger than any tour before it. 

 

It does make it very hard to compare different periods of time, and Madonna will always be the first Queen of Pop and the one who invented the blueprint for the girls (which Taylor is also following). But Taylor will undoubtedly end up the highest-grossing, most revenue-creating female pop star ever. Personally I think it's down to her seamlessly combining two disparate modes of female music star---the confessional singer-songwriter in the vein of Joni Mitchell, Alanis, Jewel, pre-Girlfriend Avril; and the showstopper, super femme pop starlet in the vein of Madonna, Britney etc. She appeals to both singer-songwriter types AND pop fans. No one has done it like her before. Madonna flirted with it with her electronic era reinventions (Ray of Light to American Life) but never to the degree Taylor has and not as efficiently communicated to the public. In this way Taylor is basically an amalgam of the greatest American female music stars and has the widest appeal as a result.

[Chartman]

This post here is from Tuesday and since than she has gained 2.5 Million units excluding an update for Friday SEA. She is growing fast.

[Klein]

1 hour ago, Chartman said:

This post here is from Tuesday and since than she has gained 2.5 Million units excluding an update for Friday SEA. She is growing fast.

So roughly doing 1M+/day 

[Cruel Summer]

At her current rate she'll enter the top 20 artists of all time in a couple days  honestly expect her to challenge Mariah’s total by the end of the year at this point

[Klein]

23 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

At her current rate she'll enter the top 20 artists of all time in a couple days  honestly expect her to challenge Mariah’s total by the end of the year at this point

I think that's a given, especially if the rumours about 1989 TV being released in late 2023 are true. 

[byzantium]

On 7/15/2023 at 12:43 PM, Cruel Summer said:

At her current rate she'll enter the top 20 artists of all time in a couple days  honestly expect her to challenge Mariah’s total by the end of the year at this point

At the pace she is going, it is possible she even hits 200m by the end of the tour in 14 months. (or a least the end of 2024)

[halcyonday]

Yeah she's the biggest female artist of all time. It's over for Madonna.