Indiana Jones 5 is bombing hard, 6th $200M movie to flop at the BO this summer

[lauvender]

Who asked for another Indiana Jones movie anyways?

 

and TLM didn’t flop

[wantedyoutogrow]

1 hour ago, Coldpurry said:

Gurl

Indiana Jones even flopping will have a bigger box office than Scream 6

the thing is 1 studio made a profit of over 100M dollars while the other will lose 100M, maybe even more

[V$.]

1 hour ago, lauvender said:

Who asked for another Indiana Jones movie anyways?

 

and TLM didn’t flop

This. 

[Scabandplaster]

Nobody gaf about that old man anymore. 

[poki]

Fron the very first trailer I could tell it's awful.

 

Ford is almost 4 times my age, honestly it's selfish of him not to yield for someone else to star in a reboot. 

 

Give us a male Lara Croft. 

 

[fridayteenage]

50 minutes ago, PoKiTaurus said:

Fron the very first trailer I could tell it's awful.

 

Ford is almost 4 times my age, honestly it's selfish of him not to yield for someone else to star in a reboot. 

 

Give us a male Lara Croft. 

 

well if they went with the direction of the last one, it'd be shia labeouf...

[mystery]

3 hours ago, lauvender said:

and TLM didn’t flop

Not breaking even is the definition of flopping at the box office.

[Crank_It_Up]

4 minutes ago, mystery said:

Not breaking even is the definition of flopping at the box office.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m seeing that the overall budget for TLM is $500 million and didn’t it just cross that worldwide recently?

[mystery]

5 minutes ago, Crank_It_Up said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m seeing that the overall budget for TLM is $500 million and didn’t it just cross that worldwide recently?

It did but its massive budget and marketing expenses will prevent it from profiting off the box office. The issue with the flops this year is that the budgets and expenses are absurdly high. Indiana Jones alone is boasting a reported 295m budget which is insane and puts its breakeven point very high. The same is happening for Fast X where it has grossed 712m and still hasn't reached its breakeven.

Edited July 1, 2023 by mystery

[X~MoviePoP]

11 minutes ago, mystery said:

Not breaking even is the definition of flopping at the box office.

Numerous actual industry professionals have already stated that the film has broken even already

[mystery]

18 minutes ago, X~MoviePoP said:

Numerous actual industry professionals have already stated that the film has broken even already

Care to quote them? Because Deadline and Variety say otherwise.

DEADLINE: ‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question

The Little Mermaid looks to bank more at the domestic box office ultimately than overseas, with $300M-$350M U.S./Canada to $260M abroad. At that level, per finance sources, off a reported $250M production cost and $140M global marketing spend, The Little Mermaid could very well break-even.

In a break-even scenario off a $560M global box office (meaning a net profit of $71M before participations and residuals are accounted for), we’re told that Little Mermaid‘s global film revenues would amount to $547M against its combined production, global theatrical and home entertainment marketing expenses of $476M. The pic’s revenues broken down include $267M in global theatrical film rentals, $100M net in domestic pay/free TV and what Disney pays itself to put the movie on Disney+, $100M in global home entertainment (DVD, digital), and $80M in international TV and streaming.

The above puts its break even point at 560m, the movie is at 505m right now, slowing down significantly and it is about to lose theatres to multiple new releases basically cutting off any chances for it to reach that number. Not to mention that this is using a 2.2 mutiplier instead of the general rule of 2.5.

VARIETY: ‘The Flash’ Disappoints With $55 Million Debut, Pixar’s ‘Elemental’ Flops With $29.5 Million in Battle of Box Office Lightweights

Disney’s “The Little Mermaid” rounded out the top five with $11.6 million in its fourth weekend in theaters. The live-action remake has amassed $253 million in North America and $466 million to date, which would have been a good result… had the movie not cost $250 million to produce. At this rate, “The Little Mermaid” is struggling to break even in its theatrical run.

The same fate awaits Indiana Jones as well, the gross that The Little Mermaid managed to get is not bad at all when viewed in a vaccum but when you put it against its cost it is not performing well. These studios need to reign in their budgets.

Grossing 505m against a 250m budget and 140m marketing spend is not good.

Edited July 1, 2023 by mystery

[V$.]

13 minutes ago, mystery said:

Care to quote them? Because Deadline and Variety say otherwise.

DEADLINE: ‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question

The Little Mermaid looks to bank more at the domestic box office ultimately than overseas, with $300M-$350M U.S./Canada to $260M abroad. At that level, per finance sources, off a reported $250M production cost and $140M global marketing spend, The Little Mermaid could very well break-even.

In a break-even scenario off a $560M global box office (meaning a net profit of $71M before participations and residuals are accounted for), we’re told that Little Mermaid‘s global film revenues would amount to $547M against its combined production, global theatrical and home entertainment marketing expenses of $476M. The pic’s revenues broken down include $267M in global theatrical film rentals, $100M net in domestic pay/free TV and what Disney pays itself to put the movie on Disney+, $100M in global home entertainment (DVD, digital), and $80M in international TV and streaming.

The above puts its break even point at 560m, the movie is at 505m right now, slowing down significantly and it is about to lose theatres to multiple new releases basically cutting off any chances for it to reach that number. Not to mention that this is using a 2.2 mutiplier instead of the general rule of 2.5.

VARIETY: ‘The Flash’ Disappoints With $55 Million Debut, Pixar’s ‘Elemental’ Flops With $29.5 Million in Battle of Box Office Lightweights

Disney’s “The Little Mermaid” rounded out the top five with $11.6 million in its fourth weekend in theaters. The live-action remake has amassed $253 million in North America and $466 million to date, which would have been a good result… had the movie not cost $250 million to produce. At this rate, “The Little Mermaid” is struggling to break even in its theatrical run.

The same fate awaits Indiana Jones as well, the gross that The Little Mermaid managed to get is not bad at all when viewed in a vaccum but when you put it against its cost it is not performing well. These studios need to reign in their budgets.

Grossing 505m against a 250m budget and 140m marketing spend is not good.

LMAO

Do a better research next time! 

[mystery]

16 minutes ago, V$. said:

LMAO

Do a better research next time! 

Deadline and Variety are very reliable industry sources when it comes to box office and are used heavily for information regarding that, they have no reason to lie. Especially considering Deadline is used by studios to push their own projections. Box office metrics are not like music charts.

Edited July 1, 2023 by mystery

[illia]

People are saving up their money for the main event of the summer, Barbie 

[AngelSwift13]

On 6/27/2023 at 2:54 PM, Broken said:

Is Hollywood over?

I think so. As long as they keep digging in the past for a quick cash grab without any real work of plot development, world building, etc. they will never able to move forward in any meaningful capacity. Major studios seem to think that what most people really want is "modern" takes on things their parents' liked while having no real cultural touchstones of their own. Personally I don't think I would have been a Disney fan growing up if they served up a lazy remake of a golden oldie instead of movies I actually enjoyed, namely Hercules and Aladdin. 

 

I saw the new Indiana Jones movie, and I kinda hated it. It felt formulaic, had endless fan service so if you aren't already into it you aren't going to get it. I didn't. I've never really been a fan of the Indiana Jones movies. And it just felt like a series of chase sequences with very little discernible plot woven throughout. It was BORING. 

 

In short, they're lazy. They don't care. If it makes money, they'll keep doing it. We need to start voting with our wallets and giving smaller movies/studios our attention. It's the only way Hollywood will care to actually be creative again. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by AngelSwift13

[Eternium]

4 hours ago, PoKiTaurus said:

Fron the very first trailer I could tell it's awful.

 

Ford is almost 4 times my age, honestly it's selfish of him not to yield for someone else to star in a reboot. 

 

Give us a male Lara Croft. 

 

Who is he and why is he not in theaters?  

30 minutes ago, AngelSwift13 said:

I think so. As long as they keep digging in the past for a quick cash grab without any real work of plot development, world building, etc. they will never able to move forward in any meaningful capacity. Major studios seem to think that what most people really want is "modern" takes on things their parents' liked while having no real cultural touchstones of their own. Personally I don't think I would have been a Disney fan growing up if they served up a lazy remake of a golden oldie instead of movies I actually enjoyed, namely Hercules and Aladdin. 

 

I saw the new Indiana Jones movie, and I kinda hated it. It felt formulaic, had endless fan service so if you aren't already into it you aren't going to get it. I didn't. I've never really been a fan of the Indiana Jones movies. And it just felt like a series of chase sequences with very little discernible plot woven throughout. It was BORING. 

 

In short, they're lazy. They don't care. If it makes money, they'll keep doing it. We need to start voting with our wallets and giving smaller movies/studios our attention. It's the only way Hollywood will care to actually be creative again. 

We’ve been hearing this same opinion our entire lives, sis. The reality is just that sometimes things miss. Add to the fact that there is going to be a huge market shift soon and the second biggest film market is caught up in state-enforced nationalism and it’s not shocking to see movies doing slightly worse than they had previously done. 

[Eternium]

2 hours ago, mystery said:

Care to quote them? Because Deadline and Variety say otherwise.

DEADLINE: ‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question

The Little Mermaid looks to bank more at the domestic box office ultimately than overseas, with $300M-$350M U.S./Canada to $260M abroad. At that level, per finance sources, off a reported $250M production cost and $140M global marketing spend, The Little Mermaid could very well break-even.

In a break-even scenario off a $560M global box office (meaning a net profit of $71M before participations and residuals are accounted for), we’re told that Little Mermaid‘s global film revenues would amount to $547M against its combined production, global theatrical and home entertainment marketing expenses of $476M. The pic’s revenues broken down include $267M in global theatrical film rentals, $100M net in domestic pay/free TV and what Disney pays itself to put the movie on Disney+, $100M in global home entertainment (DVD, digital), and $80M in international TV and streaming.

The above puts its break even point at 560m, the movie is at 505m right now, slowing down significantly and it is about to lose theatres to multiple new releases basically cutting off any chances for it to reach that number. Not to mention that this is using a 2.2 mutiplier instead of the general rule of 2.5.

VARIETY: ‘The Flash’ Disappoints With $55 Million Debut, Pixar’s ‘Elemental’ Flops With $29.5 Million in Battle of Box Office Lightweights

Disney’s “The Little Mermaid” rounded out the top five with $11.6 million in its fourth weekend in theaters. The live-action remake has amassed $253 million in North America and $466 million to date, which would have been a good result… had the movie not cost $250 million to produce. At this rate, “The Little Mermaid” is struggling to break even in its theatrical run.

The same fate awaits Indiana Jones as well, the gross that The Little Mermaid managed to get is not bad at all when viewed in a vaccum but when you put it against its cost it is not performing well. These studios need to reign in their budgets.

Grossing 505m against a 250m budget and 140m marketing spend is not good.

A little side note but this isn’t a full take. TLM will also have merchandising and that has already pushed it into the green. Tie it in with every Disney app doing deals to capitalize on the release, park revenue, etc. and it’s probably a success for them.
 

And more importantly, they’ve helped bring in more black families to their base. Sure they’ve alienated some of the crazy Floridians, but those people are usually low-budget and not desired consumers.

[Horizon Flame]

8 hours ago, lauvender said:

Who asked for another Indiana Jones movie anyways?

 

and TLM didn’t flop

Yes it. BIG time. It didn’t even break even. Disney didn’t make a dime. Nearly half the gross goes to theaters. 

[Horizon Flame]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

A little side note but this isn’t a full take. TLM will also have merchandising and that has already pushed it into the green. Tie it in with every Disney app doing deals to capitalize on the release, park revenue, etc. and it’s probably a success for them.
 

And more importantly, they’ve helped bring in more black families to their base. Sure they’ve alienated some of the crazy Floridians, but those people are usually low-budget and not desired consumers.

You’re hopelessly wrong. Facts are facts and math doesn’t lie. TLM is one of the biggest bombs in the history of Disney. That IP should have brought in a billion easy. They made no money. Disney is sinking and they’re having to clean house. Even Disney+ is being wiped clean of new shows no one is watching because Disney can’t afford to pay to keep them up. 

[Horizon Flame]

6 hours ago, PoKiTaurus said:

Fron the very first trailer I could tell it's awful.

 

Ford is almost 4 times my age, honestly it's selfish of him not to yield for someone else to star in a reboot. 

 

Give us a male Lara Croft. 

 

Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones. Audiences won’t accept anyone else. These films are simply horribly written and being made by people who aren’t in touch with what audiences want. They were laughably floored when Top Gun became a huge hit. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Horizon Flame

[Eternium]

52 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said:

You’re hopelessly wrong. Facts are facts and math doesn’t lie. TLM is one of the biggest bombs in the history of Disney. That IP should have brought in a billion easy. They made no money. Disney is sinking and they’re having to clean house. Even Disney+ is being wiped clean of new shows no one is watching because Disney can’t afford to pay to keep them up. 

So what do you think merchandising does, sis? The Disney Princess brand from 2000-2018 made $45.4B in merchandising.
 

I’m not disagreeing that TLM 2023 did not meet expectations at the box office, but it’s not a surprise to anyone after seeing the outrage over a black woman playing Ariel. But I’d highly doubt that after VOD, merchandising and home video sales, the movie doesn’t pull a large profit. It’s already about to break even before VOD, streaming deals, merchandising and home video sales are even added in  

[X~MoviePoP]

2 hours ago, Horizon Flame said:

You’re hopelessly wrong. Facts are facts and math doesn’t lie. TLM is one of the biggest bombs in the history of Disney. That IP should have brought in a billion easy. They made no money. Disney is sinking and they’re having to clean house. Even Disney+ is being wiped clean of new shows no one is watching because Disney can’t afford to pay to keep them up. 

Coming on here spewing lies seems to fuel you doesnt it? 

[poki]

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

Who is he and why is he not in theaters?  

Kevin Hejnas. He's got a doctorate and is a personal fitness coach.

Brains AND brawn. We stan. 

 

 

OT:

This movie is so dull everyone is talking about other movies lmao.

 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

I am looking forward to see it. Nice to see Harrison on screen.

 

They need to reign in the budget of these movies. 250 million at most including marketing because its kinda crazy.

 

 

[mystery]

13 minutes ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

I am looking forward to see it. Nice to see Harrison on screen.

 

They need to reign in the budget of these movies. 250 million at most including marketing because its kinda crazy.

 

 

I think some of these were affected heavily by the pandemic but yeah you are completely right. These budgets are out of control, meanwhile you have something like Dune that managed to look much better than these films and held its budget under control, if it had bloat like these films, Part Two would never have gotten greenlit.