discussion Non-vegans who are against fur are hypocrites, agree?

[khalyan]

38 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

So when it comes to potential downsides of a vegan diet your solution is to throw the baby out with the bath water, but when it comes to the downsides and ethical concerns of a non-vegan diet? Moderation bro!!!!

I never said you yourself can’t be vegan   but I have many health priorities that cannot be achieved with a vegan diet and so do many others and even us who try to be as ethical as possible shouldn’t be called rape apologists or psychopaths for our own choices 

[Armani?]

2 hours ago, khalyan said:

Go relook at my post

 

“However, researchers found that avoiding all animal foods may lead to nutritional deficiencies in vitamin B12, omega-3, calcium, zinc, iron, magnesium, and high-quality protein.“

https://academic.oup.com/biohorizons/article/3/2/197/187746?login=false

Not sure why magnesium, iron or protein is listed but okay  I can't take a headline seriously in 2023 listing protein as a nutrient concern, the fact you linked it. I ignored protein for a reason

 

 

Westerns eat extremely more protein than they need, so vegans eating less protein isn't a issue Unless you're body building, the excess protein will just be peed out

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/well/eat/how-much-protein-do-we-need.html#:~:text=Most American adults eat about,roughly twice the recommended amount.

The recommended intake for a healthy adult is 46 grams of protein a day for women and 56 grams for men. And while protein malnutrition is a problem for millions of people around the globe, for the average adult in developed countries, we are eating far more protein than we actually need.

Most American adults eat about 100 grams of protein per day, or roughly twice the recommended amount. Even on a vegan diet people can easily get 60 to 80 grams of protein throughout the day from foods like beans, legumes, nuts, broccoli and whole grains.

 

Omega-3 

There is no official daily recommended amount of DHA, but just for fun we'll just compare 100 grams of various popular fish eaten to a serving of ground flaxseed

Catfish - 200 mg Omega 3

Tuna - 1300 mg Omega 3

Salmon - 2600 mg Omega 3

Tilapia - 200 mg Omega 3

Cod - 100 mg Omega 3

 

 

1 Serving of Ground Flaxseed (28 OZ)

Omega 3 ALA - 6500 mg

 

The average conversion rate from ALA to DHA is around 3.8% although this varies & can be higher, but we'll be using this number

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9637947/

A 9% conversion rate for women also reported 

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/div-classtitleconversion-of-linolenic-acid-to-eicosapentaenoic-docosapentaenoic-and-docosahexaenoic-acids-in-young-womendiv/2B640958BD4A0061593384DF076DBC74

 

3.8% of 6500 =250mg DHA

9% of 6500 = 600mg DHA

Or you can just buy a algae DHA supplement, fish don't make it, they consume it via algae. 

 

Vitamin C increases Iron absorption

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.nu.01.070181.001011

 

Garlic & Onions increase Iron & Zinc absorption

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20597543/

 

Plant Protein vs Animal Protein for muscle, Meta Analysis 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33670701/

Results from the meta-analyses demonstrated that protein source did not affect changes in absolute lean mass or muscle strength. However, there was a favoring effect of animal protein on percent lean mass.

 

 

Non Dairy Calcium Sources 

1 Cup of Store Bought Soy Milk -

30% American Daily Value

 

1/2 Block of Tofu(175 Calories) - 45% American Daily Value

 

Sesame Seeds, unhulled (1 OZ) - 28% American Daily Value

 

1 Cup of Cooked Collard Greens

27% American Daily Value

 

 

Vegans should probably be better at consuming zinc, but again. Not compelling. You'd rather eat meat and increase your risk of diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, cancer, and obesity because of the risk of a couple nutrient deficiencies

Edited May 20, 2023 by Armani?

[Armani?]

Frailty in Elderly

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcsm.12972

We analysed data from 85 871 women aged ≥60 participating in the Nurses' Health Study. Intake of protein was measured nine times during follow-up from 1980 until 2010. Frailty was defined as having at least three of the following five criteria from the Fatigue, Resistance, Ambulation, Illnesses and Loss of Weight (FRAIL) scale: fatigue, low strength, reduced aerobic capacity, having ≥5 illnesses, and weight loss of ≥5%. The occurrence of frailty was assessed every 4 years from 1992 up to 2014.

 

Substituting 5% of energy from plant protein intake at the expense of animal protein, dairy protein, or non-dairy animal protein was associated with 38% (29%, 47%), 32% (21%, 42%), and 42% (33%, 50%) reduced risk of frailty.

 

A higher intake of plant protein, but not animal or dairy protein, was associated with a lower risk of frailty. Substitution of plant protein for animal protein, especially non-dairy animal protein, was associated with lower risk of frailty.

[WEEKND]

I just do what I please and I avoid telling others what they should do.

 

problem solved. 

[rowlet]

Why is this such a common topic on here? I don’t even know any vegans irl

[45seconds]

5 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

I did NOT say that eating meat = climate denialism, but there ARE plenty of meat eaters who don’t believe in climate change compared to ethical vegans, and plenty of meat eaters just don’t give a damn about animal welfare. I refuse to play into what amounts to respectability politics to make meat eaters and carnists more comfortable. The idea that flowery language or some hypothetical reality where vegans are all sunshine and rainbows would suddenly mean our “message” is embraced by carnists is patently ridiculous. Do you think gay people being nice would’ve made homophobic religious people change their mind on its own? No way, a huge part of activism is confronting people with harsh realities and not playing into a dominant worldview which is already hostile towards the change you are trying to bring about. 

The start of your entire argument is gibberish. Calling vegans “ethical” and the other side as meat eaters (as in the vast majority of the planet) already displays a level of self-importance that’s almost laughable. You aren’t at the head of some great cause. There isn’t some Vegans for Climate Change organization that’s changing peoples views on it. 
 

And look around - nobody cares what vegans have to say about meat eaters being bad people. Your viral moments amount to people being either disgusted with the tactics your team pulls or amused by how ineffective those dumbs tactics are protest.
 

So you don’t have to resort to flowery language. You aren’t going to change any minds. You can’t even do that with the people in this thread. Nobody cares. 

 

[Armani?]

On 5/20/2023 at 2:37 AM, 45seconds said:

Vegans are so annoying 

And we're not going to shut up

[Littlejfrey]

On 5/19/2023 at 10:10 PM, awong918 said:

 

 

The problem with being a vegan is it comes with a lot of nuances and inconveniences. Can you ensure that every social gathering and events you go to offers vegan food? Do you have the time to go through every listed ingredient to make sure there's no animal matter? That could mean having to google every single ingredient you're unsure about, since some aren't very obvious.

 

I've been a vegan for almost 8 years now and I promise you, all those things you mention are not as hard as you think it might be  you get used to it