discussion In your own words, how would you define a woman?

[JoeAg]

1 hour ago, Gautier said:

Imagine having to be of a particular gender to be able to define what a word is  this generation really fumbled the bag 

sorry i had just woken up can u not do this… i’ll answer better later when i’m not stressed the f*ck out about my job and potentially not being able to attend my commencement ceremony. can we do this later please 😣

[CandleGuy]

2 hours ago, Mtjjproducer said:

May be controversial. But I think a woman is someone who was born female. I think a trans woman was born a male who transitions to a female. I don’t think either are better then the other but they are different 

Idk why we can't just all say this. There are real differences between cis women and trans women that have real world implications - medically, in athletics, etc.

 

It's not a judgment on trans people and I wholeheartedly support trans rights and equality for our trans sisters.

 

[Terrielle]

1 hour ago, hallucinate said:

a woman is someone who identifies as a woman  

it’s that easy

To play devil's advocate, this isn't a compelling answer because it doesn't answer what a woman is, what is that someone identifying as? 

 

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For me I would the modern definition of a woman is somebody who is socialized as female, with secondary sex characteristics that are identifiable by others as female. But I'm a dude so what do I know lol

[Mtjjproducer]

48 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

Idk why we can't just all say this. There are real differences between cis women and trans women that have real world implications - medically, in athletics, etc.

 

It's not a judgment on trans people and I wholeheartedly support trans rights and equality for our trans sisters.

 

I feel the same way for trans men. I don’t see them as men I see them as trans men. They have gone through processes of life i as a man will never understand and I have gone through things biologically that trans men will never understand. We are built differently but that Doesn’t make them any less than me as a man just different and that’s ok

[Kayseri Mantisi]

2 hours ago, Orsay said:

this is what you show a conservative if they ask you to define a woman

 

[Bussea]

we don’t need misogynistic gay men weighing in on what makes a woman because to them women are only people who’s accomplishments they can hide behind

[Relampago.]

Those who identify as such, that's really it for me.

I don't really care to do a litmus test on what makes someone a woman, it's inconsequential to my life and I don't need to launch an investigation using a list of arbitrary characteristics to determine what does and does not make a woman.

[Aethereal]

A woman is someone who is a woman.

[Tylerbv]

7 hours ago, JoeAg said:

as a cis man, I wouldn't say that I'm the one to ask

BUT

stream:

Great answer and bop  

[JoeAg]

2 hours ago, Tylerbv said:

Great answer and bop  

thank u! 

[dumbsparce]

we all know what a cis woman is.

we used to know what a trans woman was too but apparently nowadays you don't even have to experience body dysphoria to be one so good luck defining that.

[risetoday]

20 hours ago, Velvet Night said:

A woman is an adult who knowingly identifies with the traits society associates with the female sex

I feel like this is the sensible answer. If we accept that gender is a social construct (separate from biological sex), then this answer is one that acknowledges and legitimizes the existence of trans people. Yes it can be a bit more complicated than that (take the example of masculine biological females, for example), but I think this answer captures the general principle. 

 

I'm not sure why many of the (liberal) users in this thread give vague answers or non-answers to the question "What is a woman?" because they're exactly the kinds of ammunition that give the conservatives the means to de-legitimize trans people. I say this as a cis man, so maybe I don't fully understand the nuances here, but to me it's a huge problem that many on the left cannot or choose not to provide a concrete answer to what is definitely answerable question. To be clear, in my view both right-wing extremists and radical left-wingers are both problematic.

[BloodLuster]

23 hours ago, normaniended said:

women are women. we were born with vaginas and can reproduce. there are biological differents between a male anatomy and a female anatomy saur..

 

sure, transgenders exist but at the end of the day when you die in a freak accident where all that's left of you is bones and flesh, your remains will be taken to the morgue and be identified as whatever sex u were born with. simple as that. plus, if you can identify as a different gender, then why can't you identify as a different race?

 

[RunUpDoneUp]

OK, ignoring all the clearly bigoted and bad faith actors in this thread; I agree and like many others who aren't full of deceit: with all semblance of word definitions of gender being subject to change and not having nailed down definitions. A woman is someone who identifies as such, pretty simple.

 

Now, to anyone who may be genuinely unaware, rightwingers are not asking the question in genuine spirit, they believe in spiritual gender identity, as in a god-given definition of gender. This is not something they can defend however and thus have to lie. Gender has never been something we see as intrinsic, we've always changed gender expressions and characteristics throughout history, if you see such reality and still prescribe to the unprovable and unobservable definition that the right use, you were never in need of convincing. You've been a practitioner of degenerate spirituality since adopting it.

 

Leftwing people are not "losing" or "giving" ground to the right by being honest; gender is malleable and pretty diverse from person to person. To act otherwise would be to lie and intentionally harm those of differing expression. That is not a communal or socially constructive form and the left is not in denigrating but incorporating and uplifting everyone who want to have a healthy, safe and fulfilling life.

Edited April 22, 2023 by RunUpDoneUp

[Aethereal]

Every formal word in English language has a definition 

[Smarticle]

someone's dupe on the first page already getting banned