Lana Banana Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 The thread title alone is a proof humans can be replaced.
jadeabove Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Next Day said: Back in the day they scared people into thinking that computers will take all their jobs. Instead of cowering in fear, we learned to integrate them into the jobs. People got smarter and learned to use technology to make work more efficient. A lot of types of jobs were eradicated, yes, but it didn't destroy our civilization. What we need is a good plan how to handle AI and its effects. Politics and science need to get to planning out how to integrate AI in a productive manner. I see a huge issue of legal questions. If the AI works on its own, who is responsible for the mistakes it makes? AI will need human support fir a long time just like self-driving cars need a driver behind the wheel. Fearmongering and hysteria will only lead to chaos. Wasn’t that because they thought computers would do exactly what AI does now? It was misinformed then, but definitely reason for concern now. I have it on good authority that the transport industry will drastically change over the next 10 years because of AI implementation in the transportation industry. Don’t get me wrong, I obviously see all the qualities in the tool, but I don’t trust billionaires and CEOs for ****. They’re the ones with that type of control. Edited March 30, 2023 by jadeabove
Sombre Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: That happens with or without AI....New software, new OS versions are released constantly. If you feel like you're invalid at 50, maybe you should just not work. Imagine when sales processes went from being managed on Excel to Salesforce a few years ago, do you think the 50yo dads gave up on their jobs or do you think they learned how to use Salesforce? Not entirely the point I'm trying to make. If AI makes you redundant at work, then no skill that you learn within your job sector is gonna make you get that job back. At that point, AI would already know how to process sales through Excel AND Salesforce and any software similar to them. It's not just a new skill to learn, it's a whole career shift.
ProudLBS Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, elevate said: It will decimate law, marketing, engineering, accounting I’m a software engineer at a law firm and I’m currently integrating GPT with the company’s platforms. GPT helps people draft e-mails faster, but they already used templates before, so what’s the difference? The time people don’t spend drafting emails can be spent on more beneficial tasks like acquiring new clients.
Badgalbriel Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 Just now, Sombre said: Not entirely the point I'm trying to make. If AI makes you redundant at work, then no skill that you learn within your job sector is gonna make you get that job back. At that point, AI would already know how to process sales through Excel AND Salesforce and any software similar to them. It's not just a new skill to learn, it's a whole career shift. But AI input will never be 100% reliable. Humans will for a long while need to cut corners, control them, and evaluate their results. No job will be killed in the next 10 years. The future 50yo dads whose jobs will be at risk are only 40yo now. If they need to work their asses off now to keep them from losing their jobs 10 years from now, they have plenty of time.
Reginald Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 If everyone's job gets "replaced," then let's stop wasting our lives working, and find a more meaningful purpose
Starshine Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 Where AI is headed is kind of a mystery to me.. what laws will be created, how the world will adapt to it, how it will impact the military scares me, it’s obviously something that needs to be regulated. The way most of us witnessed the birth of the internet and we’re on the brink of another technological revolution in a single lifetime. But jobs getting replaced outright is nothing new though. What did y’all think we were doing 100 years ago? New industries are always created.. it’s either adapt or get left behind.
Badgalbriel Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Starshine said: But jobs getting replaced outright is nothing new though. What did y’all think we were doing 100 years ago? New industries are always created.. it’s either adapt or get left behind. This. People don't realize the jobs that exist today did not exist 20 years ago and jobs that existed 20 years ago do not exist today anymore. PEOPLE NEED TO ADAPT
Trent W Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 I don’t think AI is in the same scenario than the internet and computers debuting 40 years ago The problem with AI is that it can in fact replace us and be smarter than us. Computers and internet were just a tool, AI will have a life of its own. Like the only way to compete is to actually implement AI in our brain with neuralink and be able to absorb information directly . It’s going to change our society forever, it doesn’t have to be in a negative way, people are just focused in the jobs, but the advancements it’s going have on medicine and technology are beyond our realm of comprehension. We might have a system were no one has to work and just live our lives without redundant tasks.
popmusicisdead Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) well basically 95% what in do in my job as a translator now is to check for mistakes the AI translator makes and making articles look like a human beings wrote them so WBK Edited March 30, 2023 by popmusicisdead
The Next Day Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, jadeabove said: Wasn’t that because they thought computers would do exactly what AI does now? It was misinformed then, but definitely reason for concern now. I have it on good authority that the transport industry will drastically change over the next 10 years because of AI implementation in the transportation industry. Don’t get me wrong, I obviously see all the qualities in the tool, but I don’t trust billionaires and CEOs for ****. They’re the ones with that type of control. I mean, which industry won't be affected by AI? The point is that I don't get the sudden hysteria over this chatbot. AI wasn't invented a few months ago, it has shaped technological developments for over a decade now. A lot of economic sectors have a lot of experience working with AI. But now we're discussing whether AI will eradicate jobs and not how we can regulate the future development. There's no way back and AI is already doing damage in the present because it reproduces stereotypes and different -isms. We need to learn how to correctly use AI before fearmongeres can talk about the end of civilization. If people are scared of AI we will leave AI to be exploited by all kinds of shady people. It's all diversion by the powerful, cause fear prevents people from educating themselves. That's a common mechanism throughout history. Edited March 30, 2023 by The Next Day
dussel_06 Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 It’s scary. I create architectural plans and these AI’s can generate structural, electrical, mechanical, and plumbing plans and calculations from it. Soon engineering designers will be out. I just hope AI’s won’t be able to do creative design in the feature.
popmusicisdead Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, dussel_06 said: It’s scary. I create architectural plans and these AI’s can generate structural, electrical, mechanical, and plumbing plans and calculations from it. Soon engineering designers will be out. I just hope AI’s won’t be able to do creative design in the feature. it already happened.
Starshine Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said: This. People don't realize the jobs that exist today did not exist 20 years ago and jobs that existed 20 years ago do not exist today anymore. PEOPLE NEED TO ADAPT Right, if they checked Indeed/LinkedIn.. new positions in tech are always created out of thin air. Most jobs will just transition to managing AI to our advantage. We will be too busy figuring out how to get this under control across every industry in this lifetime to even be worried about robots destroying the human race.
jadeabove Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The Next Day said: I mean, which industry won't be affected by AI? The point is that I don't get the sudden hysteria over this chatbot. AI wasn't invented a few months ago, it has shaped technological developments for over a decade now. A lot of economic sectors have a lot of experience working with AI. But now we're discussing whether AI will eradicate jobs and not how we can regulate the future development. There's no way back and AI is already doing damage in the present because it reproduces stereotypes and different -isms. We need to learn how to correctly use AI before fearmongeres can talk about the end of civilization. If people are scared of AI we will leave AI to be exploited by all kinds of shady people. It's all diversion by the powerful, cause fear prevents people from educating themselves. That's a common mechanism throughout history. I think I understand your point of view, but if anything, with everything you just said, isn’t all of that a cause for concern? Knowing how history repeats itself, putting a tool so powerful in its “infancy” (it really isn’t but for the mainstream I guess it is), isn’t that worrisome to you knowing that people who have money and power will harvest it? Especially with the decay of privacy and all the ramifications AI has on all industries? The wheels that can make that cog turn are already placed, they just need to be oiled. With all due respect, I think you might be too indulgent over these billionaires and CEOs that will do anything to prevent additional costs. Granted, AI is probably a costly avenue, but don’t think it’s as expensive as humans that can be highly unreliable. I do agree that AI taking a place in society is inevitable. However, strong policies have to be put in place to ensure that it does not affect ethics. Fully dedicating AI to solving the climate crisis could ******* help. Nobody wants to do it, so why not ask robots to save our asses at this point. Edited March 30, 2023 by jadeabove
The7thStranger Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said: That happens with or without AI....New software, new OS versions are released constantly. If you feel like you're invalid at 50, maybe you should just not work. Imagine when sales processes went from being managed on Excel to Salesforce a few years ago, do you think the 50yo dads gave up on their jobs or do you think they learned how to use Salesforce? This is a very different scenario. People are right to be concerned. I’ve already seen how AI has damaged the field in which I work.
Zoe_ Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 My job is physical and ut requires me to be all over the airport. It'll take years before a robot can complete that
Pacify Him Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Lana Banana said: The thread title alone is a proof humans can be replaced.
The Next Day Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, jadeabove said: I think I understand your point of view, but if anything, with everything you just said, isn’t all of that a cause for concern? Knowing how history repeats itself, putting a tool so powerful in its “infancy” (it really isn’t but for the mainstream I guess it is), isn’t that worrisome to you knowing that people who have money and power will harvest it? Especially with the decay of privacy and all the ramifications AI has on all industries? The wheels that can make that cog turn are already placed, they just need to be oiled. With all due respect, I think you might be too indulgent over these billionaires and CEOs that will do anything to prevent additional costs. Granted, AI is probably a costly avenue, but don’t think it’s as expensive as humans that can be highly unreliable. I do agree that AI taking a place in society is inevitable. However, strong policies have to be put in place to ensure that it does not affect ethics. Fully dedicating AI to solving the climate crisis could ******* help. Nobody wants to do it, so why not ask robots to save our asses at this point. We're on the same page. The fearmongering is done in the interest of billionaires, CEOs and shady politicians. They don't want people to educate themselves, cause educated people ask questions. It's easier to deal with scared people who want AI to vanish than people who want to work on AI, cause the latter keep an eye on the powerful people. I think the outrage over OpenAI is proof that the general public is NOT educated enough since AI has caused problems before this chatbot started, but we barely talked about that just 6 months ago. Edited March 30, 2023 by The Next Day
Kayseri Mantisi Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Reginald said: If everyone's job gets "replaced," then let's stop wasting our lives working, and find a more meaningful purpose
Starshine Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) All of these are valid concerns that everyone should have. People should plan, learn new skills, and unfortunately don't get too comfortable with job security because we're reaching plateaus at such a rapid pace this century alone compared to the past 10,000 years which consisted of what.. hunters and gatherers. But I think there are more important concerns than AI replacing x job, which is just inevitable as society finds better solutions to handle tasks. New jobs/positions will be created which is literally a need anyway for capitalist countries to function. Like is everyone going to be unemployed and bring an economic collapse? No. Setting the foundation early on for safety, privacy, abuse of power, etc. are more of my personal concern and up to our legislators to do the right thing in protecting us. Certain countries have already implemented AI in their physical surveillance programs and who knows what online including big tech and data brokers. We literally just had a TikTok hearing and that US Restrict Act bill proposed wanting to invade our privacy which was ironic.. On top of the other horrors like warfare and AI weapons with pinpoint accuracy used against us. Edited March 30, 2023 by Starshine
AvadaKedavra Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) I love AI. Basically, it has changed my world 100%. Now, I have the instrumentals and acapellas I always wanted from some of my favorite pop albums. I can create beautiful art and bring my creative ideas to life. I can manipulate my pictures to make them better. With ChatGPT, I am able to study better and be more efficient in so many ways. With AI, you can upscale old, low-quality videos into something better. AI is something insanely good. This is just the beginning. But the concerns of the people are totally valid. The problem is that so many tech-heads leading AI and inventions are evil and corrupted. They are really smart and wise, but emotionally they are empty. They want to get rich and have the rest of the world as peasants to them. We don't need more Zuckerbergs, Elon Musks, Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates... thanks. We need ethical leaders in tech, people who care about advancement but also the people. People like you and me. I think people attacking other people for AI things is a mistake. The fight should be against corporations. They are the ones who want to have autonomy over AI inventions. If we keep attacking each other, one day only the big players will have access to this tech. We also need huge regulations. It should be mandatory for corporations to hire humans. It should be illegal to work with only automation or AI. Billions will be left with nothing, people in all fields, from health to art to financial stuff. Sadly, I don't see this passing in the United States because the system there favors the richest over everyone else. If you think this will not affect you. Oh dahling a big storm is coming Edited March 30, 2023 by AvadaKedavra
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