PoisonPill Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, worldwide angel said: the transphobes on the first page the nerve of that user calling bigotry a "respectful opinion" I said "respectfully express their opinion." There are also many people who support trans people's personhood and rights, who also recognize that the women's competitive sports issue is deeply nuanced and complex with no easy answers. There is a way to have differing views on a tough topic and express that view respectfully without attacking or demeaning anyone's identity and existence. Sadly, there are bigots who use the women's sports issue to channel their hatred for trans people, but I don't feel that describes the vast majority (or anyone) on here in this discussion.
worldwide angel Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, PoisonPill said: I said "respectfully express their opinion." There are also many people who support trans people's personhood and rights, who also recognize that the women's competitive sports issue is deeply nuanced and complex with no easy answers. There is a way to have differing views on a tough topic and express that view respectfully without attacking or demeaning anyone's identity and existence. Sadly, there are bigots who use the women's sports issue to channel their hatred for trans people, but I don't feel that describes the vast majority (or anyone) on here in this discussion. i apologize for the misquote. with that being said, if people were only respectfully expressing their opinions , this thread would look different. i don't consider people cheering about pervasive transphobia to be respectfully expressing their opinions, especially when said users continue going on transphobic tirades while multiple users have provided legitimate receipts about how the "biological advantage" point has been refuted by medical professionals.
Siberian Tiger Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 This is fair, they should compete in their own category.
RunUpDoneUp Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 These past 5 years are gonna look so BAD 20yrs from now. Actual brainrot and reactionary politics running rampant and it's all because we failed to do basic biology and sociology right. We have millions of adults who are actually dumb as nails acting like doctors and scientists parroting youtubers and swallowing fox news segments. It's hard being someone who isn't a dummy, god knows what people who are living proof against the lies feel. Women's sports which literally these very same men made fun of for eons is now a faux concern for men who laugh at female athletes to this day. Minions of regression and bad politics the lot of them.
Daddy Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 22 hours ago, liver said: just say you hate women and go bro Educate yourself. Transwomen are women, ******* TERF. You literally support a pedophile.
PoisonPill Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Daddy said: Educate yourself. Transwomen are women, ******* TERF. You literally support a pedophile. Yep time to close this thread
Daddy Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Red Velvet said: It makes sense given the biological advantage. Serena Williams summed it up well here. So you're saying tranwomen are men? The statistics don't lie, the few active transwomen aren't dominating female sports. At all.
liver Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Daddy said: Educate yourself. Transwomen are women, ******* TERF. You literally support a pedophile. 1 minute ago, Daddy said: So you're saying tranwomen are men? The statistics don't lie, the few active transwomen aren't dominating female sports. At all. no one said that trans women aren't women the point is that trans women have an advantage over biological women in sports and that's a fact based on biology and not on your feelings
Price of Fame Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) The sport debate is the one trans issue where I don't think there's an clear, easy solution (compared to everything else where the solution is just leave trans people alone and mind your business). Someone who has gone through a male puberty shouldn't be competing against a biological woman in most sports. The physical difference is apparent in High School, much less at the professional/Olympic level. People say "have their own league" but obviously there aren't enough trans atheles to warrant that (or warrant pursuing a ban at all, lbr) Edited March 24, 2023 by Price of Fame
CBC Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Red Velvet said: It makes sense given the biological advantage. Serena Williams summed it up well here. you do realize shes talking about cis men right? not trans women right? or are you trying to imply something?
san784 Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 23 hours ago, Miss Show Business said: Excluding trans women from sports based on BS "science" is transphobic. See my other comments. This never boils down to anything other than a targeted attack on trans women and their rights. So only trans women and their rights matter in sports?
Communion Posted March 24, 2023 Posted March 24, 2023 41 minutes ago, san784 said: So only trans women and their rights matter in sports? 6 posts in your 40 first days as a member and this is one of them?
Headlock Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Price of Fame said: The sport debate is the one trans issue where I don't think there's an clear, easy solution (compared to everything else where the solution is just leave trans people alone and mind your business). Someone who has gone through a male puberty shouldn't be competing against a biological woman in most sports. The physical difference is apparent in High School, much less at the professional/Olympic level. People say "have their own league" but obviously there aren't enough trans atheles to warrant that (or warrant pursuing a ban at all, lbr) So you’re saying we should work towards expanding access to gender-affirming healthcare to trans youth so they will be eligible to compete in their chosen sports if so desired? Oh wait
Price of Fame Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Headlock said: So you’re saying we should work towards expanding access to gender-affirming healthcare to trans youth so they will be eligible to compete in their chosen sports if so desired? Oh wait you say that like I agree with the republicans coming for all care for trans kids
Headlock Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Price of Fame said: you say that like I agree with the republicans coming for all care for trans kids It was a general statement to that hypocrisy, not towards you.
HauntinglyHollow Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 It is very clear that 98% of you have no clue about genetics and biology.....a fair decision...also most of trans woman do not carry any genetic anomalies such as XXY, X0, XXX and whatever...these are extremely rare, and I mean EXTREMELY rare.....most of trans women are biologically XY and that gives them a major advantage... also genotype is not the same as fenotype, but these might be term too difficult to understand for the basic twitter PC biatch
Gladiator Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, worldwide angel said: the transphobes on the first page Being in support or not supporting fair competition in a competitive scenario does not make someone transphobic or not. People should really stop labeling everything as -phobic just because it goes against a narrative. Edited March 25, 2023 by Gladiator
worldwide angel Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gladiator said: Being in support or not supporting fair competition in a competitive scenario does not make someone transphobic or not. People should really stop labeling everything as -phobic just because it goes against a narrative. the narrative in question is rooted in transphobia. i’m not throwing out the word. if the several posts detailing the transphobia surrounding the sports debate didn’t help you understand that, i don’t know what will. how is it fair that an entire demographic of women are barred from something as mundane as sports because of outdated and/or false rhetoric that goes against science? the same rhetoric that also harms cis women who don’t meet the criteria? https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/07/two-cis-black-women-banned-olympics-natural-testosterone-levels/ i wish people would stop framing those defending trans athletes as bad faith actors just to avoid addressing their own biases.
enchanted0 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 8:13 AM, family.guy123 said: Can all the men in this thread please raise their hand? IMO only women should be able to have an opinion on this topic I absolutely agree.
fauxtography Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 This “before puberty” stipulation should be looked at now that many states are banning transitioning to minors. its almost like….it’s intentional….
Flower Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 If there's no biological differences according to that one users, then why would sport be would separated by genders? If that's the case, lets just freaking cancel female sport and male sport, and just have men and women play in the same competition how about that? What a joke. Let's see how is that gonna end up.
CandleGuy Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 So if I am understanding correctly, we have to use the term "birthing person" and "person with uterus" to be inclusive of trans men, because they are biologically different than cis men who obviously do not have uteruses and cannot give birth... But in sports we have to ignore biological differences because trans women are supposedly not any biologically different than cis women. I want to be supportive but it just isn't making sense to me and seems incredibly unfair to cis women in sports.
san784 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 13 hours ago, Communion said: 6 posts in your 40 first days as a member and this is one of them? So you’re going to answer the question or you’ll rather deflect with this irrelevant stuff?
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