news World Athletics bans transwomen from competing in sports entirely

[Communion]

14 minutes ago, Femalien said:

What cis women would be unfairly disqualified by these measurements? 

  

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Oh wait, they're not even trying to hide the essentialist nonsense and going for the cis girlies too. 

 

They really said "women are from VENUS and men are from MARS and if you're not a perfect alignment of very specific female sex characteristics, you're a ******* MAN!". 

 

Countless female athletes just got effectively ban despite being cis women. 

 

 

 

 

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Edited March 24, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

1 minute ago, liver said:

stick to watching tiktoks and stop embarrassing yourself 

Oh, of course you'd be in a thread preaching hate against trans people. 

[suburbannature]

We're moving in a scary direction as a society. The hyperfocus on drag shows, trans athletes (but only trans women, ofc), and pronouns are shoehorned scare tactics meant to perpetuate blind hatred and to distract from other political issues.

[Headlock]

54 minutes ago, Chiidish said:

And what are states banning right now? 
 

They can’t be happy as children they can’t be happy as adults. Sounds like a slow burning existential genocide to me

Ding ding ding ding 

[Brando]

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Please do inform me how advocating for equality for trans women is "hijacking the agenda" and "making it worse for everyone"?

Because the ban is fair. Let women have fair competition among each other. There's no need to demand inclusion into everything. People like you are too vocal and have no filter. You are alienating every possible ally out there, which in turn makes the society more homophobic, transhopic etc. Chill it down a notch. 

[Brando]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

try not to quote me plz. i have no interest in anything you have to say. thx 

[Fuecoco]

I mean, it makes sense to me… 

[Communion]

@Brando Sis, did a trans man dump you? 

[Headlock]

11 minutes ago, Brando said:

tbh it's people like you who should be removed from forums like this one and from LGBTQ organisations. You guys hijacked the agenda and are making it worse for everyone else with your idealistic views that are completely detached from reality. 

You really are letting that mask slip huh 

[Communion]

Just now, Brando said:

try not to quote me plz. i have no interest in anything you have to say. thx 

 

2 minutes ago, Brando said:

which in turn makes the society more homophobic, transhopic etc. 

Sis, this is what you said when asked to give examples of "crazy ideas pushed by trans people":

On 3/18/2023 at 7:37 PM, Brando said:

I don't feel comfortable naming anything by names here on atrl 

If you can't even speak your feelings because you know deep down they're rooted in bigotry... 

[Brando]

Just now, Headlock said:

You really are letting that mask slip huh 

Why? Because I don't share your exact views? You guys are genuinely crazy expecting everyone in the community to share your extreme views

[Headlock]

8 minutes ago, Brando said:

Chill it down a notch. 

*grabs megaphone*

~Stonewall was a RIOT~ 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Headlock

[Headlock]

6 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

We're moving in a scary direction as a society. The hyperfocus on drag shows, trans athletes (but only trans women, ofc), and pronouns are shoehorned scare tactics meant to perpetuate blind hatred and to distract from other political issues.

And gay men are helping it along

 

[Communion]

Just now, Brando said:

your extreme views 

Like what? You're literally defending the banning of cis women for not being "female enough" from sports at the moment, just so you are aware. 

[Digitalism]

1 hour ago, midnightdawn said:

So someone born with a condition that means the ****** doesn't develop is not a woman?

Have you actually read about the topic? There's precedent for that on the olympics too. 
Those people have specific rules and regulations that they have to follow  

[suburbannature]

Just now, Headlock said:

And gay men are helping it along

 

Yep. 

 

[Headlock]

2 minutes ago, Brando said:

share your extreme views

Name them. What views do characterize as "extreme"? 

[Communion]

Just now, Digitalism said:

Have you actually read about the topic? There's precedent for that on the olympics too. 
Those people have specific rules and regulations that they have to follow  

Those regulations just banned a majority of the best-competing cis women who meet said criteria. 

[Brando]

Just now, Headlock said:

Name them. What views do characterize as "extreme"? 

I'm sure you can watch any youtube or tiktok debates for that. Unfortunately atrl has also been hijacked by these fringe views, so there's no room for any serious debate anymore. You can keep saying that you support trans people, NB people etc, but if you disagree with just anything, no matter how unreasonable, you are transphobic, nb-phobic etc. There's no winning with people like you and that Communist guy who keep quoting me non-stop 

[Fuecoco]

1 hour ago, Dior said:

I am trans woman full of estrogen and passing and I agree. Trans women should not be competing with biological women in any sport professionally. 
 

Every time i do physical sport activities with my (bio) sister like swimming and running or cycling I always beat her. 
 

if trans people want to compete sports professionally there should be a trans category. Fair is fair & it would be a challenge! 

 

Just wanted to say I appreciate you. You actually get it and you’re being respectful about it. I can’t believe no one is listening to your opinion since you’re apart of the trans community.  

[Headlock]

6 minutes ago, Brando said:

but if you disagree with just anything, no matter how unreasonable

Name them [2] 

[Brando]

1 hour ago, Dior said:

I am trans woman full of estrogen and passing and I agree. Trans women should not be competing with biological women in any sport professionally. 
 

Every time i do physical sport activities with my (bio) sister like swimming and running or cycling I always beat her. 
 

if trans people want to compete sports professionally there should be a trans category. Fair is fair & it would be a challenge! 

 

Reasonable people

I wonder why Communist isn't quoting you

[Communion]

I think the most frustrating thing about anti-trans folks is that they try to present arguments in some kind of bad faith "rational" light that feels so pointless to try and debate because it so quickly becomes sealioning.

 

Such topics *do* require nuanced, sensitive and thoughtful conversations to find some kind of solution.

Unfortunately, the side that is incapable of that is also the side vehemently materially harming trans people.

 

In this thread alone:

> "Transwomen are just MEN bad at sports who have to flunk out of manhood! *cites fake stats*"

> "Well, that's actually untrue, and what you're citing actually shows HRT does often reduce the strength of trans women competitive athletes down to the levels of their cis women peers. Yes, male puberty and female puberty, as clunky as those terms are, can differently impact strength, but what you're citing shows that can be undone."

> *vanishes from thread*

 

> "It's really not that hard. Men have PENISES. Women have VAGINAS! Period! We need to protect women in sports!"

> "That's not the definition of biologically female the org is using, and in fact, are banning several cis women."

> "Okay? And? Why should I have to care about those women???"

 

> "This is perfectly reasonable of a decision. At the end of the day, male puberty is a factual reality."

> "So if undergoing puberty is the criteria to which someone is ineligible, does this mean you support young teens starting puberty blockers to meet the criteria you're saying is reasonable? How can someone become eligible to compete if then you also propose and support the banning of non-adults transitioning?"

> "YOU WANT TO MUTILATE AND CASTRATE CHILDREN? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? THESE EXTREME IDEAS IS WHY YOU TRANS RIGHTS ACTIVISTS HAVE RUINED OUR MOVEMENT. LGB! **** THE T!!!!"

 

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, Brando said:

 so there's no room for any serious debate anymore

You: "There's no room for debate"

Also you: *promotes censoring and silencing ideas because they're not PC and unpopular with what you claim is the 'majority', while also not being secure enough to debate your views in the marketplace of ideas*

 

A real politico and savant would be able to debate the merits of their ideas and convince us they're correct. 

Have trans people... triggered you? Are you afraid to debate, bro? Sounds like you know facts don't care about your feelings and you can't defend your views in the marketplace of ideas. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Communion

[Specter]

27 minutes ago, Brando said:

There's no need to demand inclusion into everything

Hxbxnxnxbzbzbb

 

I JUST know you're probably a cis white man from what Netherlands? Spain? saying asinine **** like this online