Miss Show Business Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, TaggedGalaxy said: Where's the transphobic comments? Stop abusing the ZTP rule Excluding trans women from sports based on BS "science" is transphobic. See my other comments. This never boils down to anything other than a targeted attack on trans women and their rights.
Headlock Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, Space Cowboy said: Exceptions may ocurr, So you agree, there are ~exceptions~ to your stated “rule” 1 minute ago, Space Cowboy said: but there are so few of those exceptions that what even is the point to even mention them in this conversation? Hmmm, kind of like, the statistical insignificance of… the “harm” of trans women in sports? Let’s break this down: what is the percentage of trans women in the general population? And then the percentage of THAT percentage that is at a young fit age? And then a percentage of THAT percentage of THAT percentage that play sports at all? And then a percentage of THAT percentage of THAT percentage of THAT percentage that succeed at a level where they would be in a position to be podium-eligible? It kiiiiiiind of seems like this isn’t actually an issue, and has nothing to do with “fairness” at all
Nights Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Imagine believing an exclusionary decision like this based on sh** "science" and "biology" is "fair". A joke. But your opinion seems to be based on... TikTok video? As compared to the decision by World Athletics based on intensive scientific research and discussion support by widespread peer-reviewed papers?
Headlock Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Insanity said: How many people are actually born intersex? How many trans women decide to partake in competitive sports?
Communion Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 53 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said: Born with a vagi na Multiple cis women born with vaginas would still be banned under the proposed essentialists measurements of things like chromosomes and hormones. So it's okay for them to also ban cis women they have defined as not women?
Miss Show Business Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, PoisonPill said: I haven't heard anyone else calling females "biologically inferior" other than you. "Inferior" is a value judgment and has nothing to do with the factual reality of the anatomical and biological difference between male and female humans. Also, that Tiktok you posted as your evidence, instead reinforces the fact that male athletes who transition post-puberty gain enormous advantages and skyrocket to the very highest echelons once joining female sports. That's the entire basis of the argument for excluding trans women. And did you even watch that full video? Because it very much showed that the news only cares when trans women get trophies... Not the times they fail or perform poorly. You'll never hear about this because it undermines the entire transphobic argument that these women have "advantages" even though the record shows they are average at best.
family.guy123 Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Can all the men in this thread please raise their hand? IMO only women should be able to have an opinion on this topic
Communion Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, family.guy123 said: Can all the men in this thread please raise their hand? IMO only women should be able to have an opinion on this topic What about cis women who World Athletics don't consider to be women?
charot Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Excluding trans women from sports based on BS "science" is transphobic. See my other comments. This never boils down to anything other than a targeted attack on trans women and their rights. Truths are not transphobia. They're literally supported by science/studies. Science >>> your feelings Edited March 23, 2023 by charot
Into The Void Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Headlock said: How many trans women decide to partake in competitive sports? I don't know darlin
Miss Show Business Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Nights said: But your opinion seems to be based on... TikTok video? As compared to the decision by World Athletics based on intensive scientific research and discussion support by widespread peer-reviewed papers? Tell me you didn't watch the video, without telling me... And lol, bullsh**. This is psuedoscience designed to exclude trans people. They're using science to discriminate. The video I shared literally points out trans women athletes who are just average athletes... They're not collecting all the trophies from cis women by any measure
Headlock Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said: This is such a perfect example of your knowledge and maturity to speak on the subject, thank you for that
Headlock Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Insanity said: I don't know darlin You truly just come into threads throwing opinions around and expect others to educate you huh
Miss Show Business Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, charot said: Truths are not transphobic. They're literally supported by science/studies. Science >>> your feelings I agree. So educate yourself on why sex is a spectrum and not black and white... Anyone responding with "bUt sCieNcE" doesn't know what they're even talking about and it shows.
Donquizote Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Space Cowboy said: It’s fair, female trans athletes have a biological advantage over biological female athletes
Nights Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, Miss Show Business said: Tell me you didn't watch the video, without telling me... And lol, bullsh**. This is psuedoscience designed to exclude trans people. They're using science to discriminate. The video I shared literally points out trans women athletes who are just average athletes... They're not collecting all the trophies from cis women by any measure I watched the entire video, thanks. You cannot take once person's analysis of 3 cases of trans athletes on TikTok and try to paint overwhelming concluding opinions based on actual widespread scientific research and debate as "psuedoscience". It doesn't work that way, sorry.
Into The Void Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, Headlock said: You truly just come into threads throwing opinions around and expect others to educate you huh no I didn't even have an opinion lol
Rainy Devil Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Educate yourself and stop validating this garbage. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvrDsWP/ Not a TikTok. Good to know you base your entire opinion on that take. Without even considering to review other points. Got something else of more value to show? Oh and if you didn't notice, that tiktok proves that after transitioning they went up in ranks (performed better), compared to how they were doing before, even went they fared bad, it was still an improvement. But I guess you didn't bother to think about that.
PoisonPill Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: That's the entire basis of the argument for excluding trans women. And did you even watch that full video? Because it very much showed that the news only cares when trans women get trophies... Not the times they fail or perform poorly. You'll never hear about this because it undermines the entire transphobic argument that these women have "advantages" even though the record shows they are average at best. "Not winning 1st place" is not the same as "has zero advantages." Lia Thomas went from ranking #554 in the men's league to #5 ranking the following season in the women's league.
Bang Up Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) Why aren’t the mods banning the people in here agreeing with trans discrimination? So basically because a few trans women are good at sports, they’re banning all trans women. It would be one thing if we lived in a world where trans kids have easy access to puberty blockers, but we don’t. We are hurting trans women just because they didn’t have access to puberty blockers as a kid. ridiculous. Edited March 23, 2023 by Bang Up
Communion Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Oh wait, they're not even trying to hide the essentialist nonsense and going for the cis girlies too. Quote In another significant decision, World Athletics also announced that all athletes with a difference in sex development would be barred from competing internationally in all events unless they reduced their testosterone to 2.5 nanomoles per litre for a minimum of six months. They really said "women are from VENUS and men are from MARS and if you're not a perfect alignment of very specific female sex characteristics, you're a ******* MAN!". Countless female athletes just got effectively ban despite being cis women.
Miss Show Business Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Bang Up said: Why aren’t the mods banning the people in here agreeing with trans discrimination? So basically because a few trans women are good at sports, they’re banning all trans women. ridiculous. MTE. It's shameful this is a "debate" in LGBTQ spaces.
Bang Up Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Communion said: Oh wait, they're not even trying to hide the essentialist nonsense and going for the cis girlies too. They really said "women are from VENUS and men are from MARS and if you're not a perfect alignment of very specific female sex characteristics, you're a ******* MAN!". Countless female athletes just got effectively ban despite being cis women. I wonder what it is about those three cis women that makes this organization want to ban people like them?
Bang Up Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Surely the transphobes are against this since it’s also banning cisgender women. Surely they are, right?
charot Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: I agree. So educate yourself on why sex is a spectrum and not black and white... Anyone responding with "bUt sCieNcE" doesn't know what they're even talking about and it shows. Your takes are so one sided when we all know and science knows that trans women have biological advantage over biological women. Edited March 23, 2023 by charot
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