Specter Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/mar/23/world-athletics-council-excludes-transgender-women-from-female-events Quote World Athletics has voted to ban transgender women from elite female competitions if they have undergone male puberty, in a decision the governing body said had been taken to “protect the future of the female category”. Speaking after the ruling, which comes into effect on 31 March, the World Athletics president, Seb Coe, accepted that the decision would be contentious but said his sport had been guided by the “overarching principle” of fairness, as well as the science around physical performance and male advantage. ... However Coe also stressed that he would set up a working group that would consult with transgender athletes and review any fresh research that emerged. “We’re not saying no forever,” he said. Quote Since Tokyo, the majority of sports have opted to allow trans women to compete if they lower their testosterone to 5 nanomoles per litre for 12 months. However emerging science showing that transgender women retain an advantage in strength, endurance, power, lung capacity – even after suppressing testosterone – had led World Athletics to propose a lower testosterone limit for at least 24 months in January. However, Coe said there was “little support” for such a policy, with athletes and federations making it clear they wanted to prioritise fairness for female sport over inclusion. Quote Athletics becomes the latest sport to ban transgender women from female sport, following World Rugby in 2020 and World Swimming and the Rugby Football League last year. Swimming’s decision came shortly after Lia Thomas, who had been a moderate college swimmer as a male competitor in the United States, won an NCAA national college female title in 2022. World Athletics’ decision is likely to be opposed by LGBTQ+ groups such as Stonewall. Speaking last month they urged sports to be as inclusive as possible when it came to sports. “The trans population may be small, but they have every right to participate in sports and enjoy the many physical, mental and community benefits of sports,” it said. “The scientific evidence base on trans people in sport is developing but is far from conclusive.” To make more lives difficult, because this wasn't enough: Quote In another significant decision, World Athletics also announced that all athletes with a difference in sex development would be barred from competing internationally in all events unless they reduced their testosterone to 2.5 nanomoles per litre for a minimum of six months. Until now athletes with a DSD, who include former Olympic women’s champion Caster Semenya and Christine Mboma, the silver medallist in the 200m at the Tokyo Games, have been allowed to compete without medication except in events ranging from 400m to a mile. However in 2019 the court of arbitration for sport ruled that 46 XY 5-ARD individuals with a difference of sex development, such as Semenya, “enjoy a significant sporting advantage … over 46 XX competitors without such DSD” due to biology. Edited March 23, 2023 by Phantom
Space Cowboy Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 It’s fair, female trans athletes have a biological advantage over biological female athletes
vale9001 Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) The number 203 of male tennis ranking once beat serena Williams. This Is what I have to say about the issue. Trans women have rights but biological women have rights too. Edited March 23, 2023 by vale9001
Femalien Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 I don't think it's accurate to say transwomen have been banned "entirely," as it looks like the ban only applies to trans individuals who have fully gone through the puberty of their natal sex. Seemingly, someone whose transition was able to start before puberty would still be allowed to compete
UnusualBoy Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 They were not banned entirely and actually the explanation kind of makes sense.
cockatoo Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 All these gays running in here clapping as if they've ever watched sports a day in their lives OT: It's a complicated issue, but I think an outright ban is the wrong way to go. When you transitioned and the sport both cause major differences
midnightdawn Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said: It’s fair, female trans athletes have a biological advantage over biological female athletes How do you define a biological female athlete?
2NE1 Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 This makes no sense but I’m happy the transphobes of ATRL are having fun
Space Cowboy Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, midnightdawn said: How do you define a biological female athlete? Born with a vagi na Edited March 23, 2023 by Space Cowboy
liver Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 that's the right decision, although a small % of people will be hurt by it
Mitsouko Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Who cares about sports tbh but what’s the issue?
shyboi Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, UnusualBoy said: They were not banned entirely and actually only if they went trough puberty? it is such complicated topic actually
vale9001 Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mitsouko said: Who cares about sports tbh but what’s the issue? Woman rights and trans women rights. I agree is something they should talk between them and men shouldn't be a parte in the conversation. I don't know why many gay men here think they have the right to tell women how they should define themselves or what they should be called or what their body Is .. It's not your conversation . Edited March 23, 2023 by vale9001
midnightdawn Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said: Born with a vagi na So someone born with a condition that means the ****** doesn't develop is not a woman?
Miss Show Business Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 The transphobic comments in here... As a largely LGBTQ forum, any support of this decision should be a ZTP violation. Period.
PoisonPill Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: The transphobic comments in here... As a largely LGBTQ forum, any support of this decision should be a ZTP violation. Period. People are allowed to respectfully express an opinion on a news story without their account being banned. Edited March 23, 2023 by PoisonPill
liver Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: As a largely LGBTQ forum, any support of this decision should be a ZTP violation. Period. shut up
Otter Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: The transphobic comments in here... As a largely LGBTQ forum, any support of this decision should be a ZTP violation. Period. What do you suggest the rule be? Free competition regardless of when someone transitions or any biological benefit gained through being born male & going through male puberty? Edited March 23, 2023 by Otter
Miss Show Business Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, PoisonPill said: People are allowed to express a respectful opinion on a news story without their account being banned. If you are LGBTQ and do not understand why this is wrong and transphobic... Then it should be ZTP. It's 2023. If you are LGBTQ and do not understand that sex and gender are complex and not black and white, and that many factors decide how a person develops... Well, then that's your own fault, because there are plenty within the community educating people. Trans people fought, lived, and died, so that some day gay folks would have rights such as same sex marriages. We didn't ask these trans folks to do this — but they did anyways because an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. Period. We owe our trans brothers and sisters the dignity and respect of being educated about their struggle and being informed and educated about these matters. Period.
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