M!X Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Otter said: This is no relation. The vast majority of people can't recall a single thing JK Rowling has said, nor do they imagine direct harm as a result their purchase. I think we have to stop propergating the idea that the vast majorities of people are heavily engaged with any of aspect of JKs politics or see this game as a reflection of it Exactly, because they do not care. For most of them trans people are just a minority whose struggles and fight for basic human rights are either something they don't know nothing about or are aware but since it doesn't concern them as cis people literally choose to ignore. Which to me at least is sad. There is a nuance that especially gay people ignore on purpose, sure you are not super right wing transphobic for buying this game but you also do not care about trans people that much as you are financially supporting franchise whose author benefits from, the author who has been using their huge platform to actively harm trans people. Just say you do not care and move on. If JKR was actually going after some other group of people whose struggles are actually part of the mainstream discussion people here and everywhere else would be reacting to this in a completely different way. Trans issues just exist on the fringe of that and are irrelevant to the most of the population.
ATRL Moderator bluebirdsforever Posted February 24, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Da Vinci said: Anti-woke fragile snowflakes claiming this as a win when there are POC and trans characters (that probably makes JK herself seethe) in the game The extremely strange dissonance going on with the losers who are only championing this game's (probably inevitable) success because they see it as ~a win against the wokes when its approach to diversity (from what I've seen) is the exact kind of thing they'd be loudly complaining about (and probably "boycotting") in any other game's case is... hilarious, to say the least.
Kamil24 Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, midnightdawn said: "For me and many fans like me, any new Harry Potter content can only be a source of deep distress. People who choose to buy the new video game inevitably send a message that they care more about the Harry Potter universe than they do about the real-world fans Rowling has hurt — and especially the real-world harm that comes from bankrolling her transphobia. The endless debates around Hogwarts Legacy remind us over and over that the fictional magic of Harry Potter matters more, to more people, than all of the real trans fans and allies who have been displaced from participating in that magic by Rowling’s actions, choices, and behavior. Honestly, when the rumors broke of the TV show two years ago, even seeing tentatively positive reactions to the rumored series left me feeling deeply sad and uneasy. Now, regarding Hogwarts Legacy, I have chosen to opt completely out of the discussion over the game. The stakes are too painful; one must simply put aside one’s humanity to even begin to talk about the game purely as “art,” even though far too many people are eager to do just that." https://www.vox.com/culture/22254435/harry-potter-tv-series-hbo-jk-rowling-transphobic
AMIT Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 disgusting and so is everyone applauding this or supporting the game in any and every way y'all should be ashamed of yourselves
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted February 24, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted February 24, 2023 Really shameful
Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, bluebirdsforever said: The extremely strange dissonance going on with the losers who are only championing this game's (probably inevitable) success because they see it as ~a win against the wokes when its approach to diversity (from what I've seen) is the exact kind of thing they'd be loudly complaining about (and probably "boycotting") in any other game's case is... hilarious, to say the least. The way i've seen people genuinely play this game because they thought the game is transphobic and then turns out it is not They got dumped so bad like-
chester Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 Deserved! The game is really great and love how inclusive it is. Honestly a great project for people to learn how to cope with the fact that basically nothing you buy is made entirely by people you agree with.
Zaram Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 8 hours ago, CaptainMusic said: I love and support trans people, but this boycott was never gonna work and just because you support the game doesn’t mean you’re transphobic Pisses me off that both dumbass liberals and conservatives are acting like everyone buying the game hates trans people and are against/supporting their cause. Gross. Steamforums are wild for that rn. Full of transphobes laughting about lgbtq+ "Getting owned" and they are crybabies while making threads on mass complaining about the trans character and the diversity of races like be more Self aware. But overall a great and fun game. Can't wait to use avadar kedavra on my fellow students
Otter Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, M!X said: Exactly, because they do not care. For most of them trans people are just a minority whose struggles and fight for basic human rights are either something they don't know nothing about or are aware but since it doesn't concern them as cis people literally choose to ignore. Which to me at least is sad. There is a nuance that especially gay people ignore on purpose, sure you are not super right wing transphobic for buying this game but you also do not care about trans people that much as you are financially supporting franchise whose author benefits from, the author who has been using their huge platform to actively harm trans people. Just say you do not care and move on. If JKR was actually going after some other group of people whose struggles are actually part of the mainstream discussion people here and everywhere else would be reacting to this in a completely different way. Trans issues just exist on the fringe of that and are irrelevant to the most of the population. Although I agree with the trans issues not being at the forefront of their mind, I also think we're misrepresenting how people think though. People simply hold the world that they fell in love with as something separate from the authour and the said consequences of them supporting the author is not something that is tangible for them. This isn't like an election, where depending on a vote you either have 5 years or trump or 5 years of Hilary. What is the consequence and result of supporting the game? You give JK pocket money to support her habits? She's a billionaire, the royalties from this game doesn't make a difference to her or her platform which is 99% twitter at this point. When the secrets of Dumbledore flopped, people didn't turn around and say the witch is defeated and stop responding to everything she went onto post on twitter. Nothing changed. My honest thought is the success/failure of this game is completely inconsequential to the larger topic people are actually concerned with, it's just an easy target, low hanging fruit to make people feel empowered combating something that is way bigger and ultimately separate. Yet rhetoric (even supported by liberals) which aligns the games success with anti trans sentiments does real world harm whilst at the same time being untrue. Edited February 24, 2023 by Otter
VOSS Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Jessie said: The way no trans person was ever saying boycotting this game was a feasible thing or would make any material change for trans people when the franchise continues to make bank regardless and were mostly just bemused by the whole thing. I mean just look at the embarrassing posts in this thread, the neediness you all have to justify stanning this franchise into your twilight years The point has always been seeing so many salivating over HP with this new game — particularly LGBT people — with Rowling’s ongoing crusade against overturning GRC reform in Scotland and all round aligning herself with fascists intent on eradicating us from public life, is kinda gross and y’know tone deaf, and then people got up in arms “I just want to play the game!!” Like who cares no one is checking for you, but if you are supposedly an ally and all I’m seeing on your TL or socials is about this game then at least except you’re going to be side eyed. And if you got trolled then welp I guess. Consumer choices do matter, like try buying The Sun newspaper in Liverpool — would any of you be boasting about only shopping Amazon “to own the libs.” Please Do you eat meat?
KingWitch Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 When is the Switch version coming ? Ive heard so much about this game
DoctorIce Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 As a game from a first time studio it's hard to fault them, it's really good to be fair. They've obviously put a lot of heart and soul into it, bent over backwards to make it as inclusive as possible and worked hard to deliver a game at launch that isn't a buggy mess, which is rare these days. The people who worked on the game deserve the success, regardless of JK Rowling being a *****. The trans representation in an IP of this magnitude is a huge win and more significant and impactful to the community than an impotent boycott driven by people who care more about appearing righteous on Twitter than they do trans people. Especially the flat-out virtue signallers pretending to boycott a game they had no intention of playing in the first place. TL;DR - the impact of trans representation in a game of this size > getting one over on the loony author whose work the game is based on.
thatsmydemi Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, KingWitch said: When is the Switch version coming ? Ive heard so much about this game June
Jessie Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, VOSS said: Do you eat meat? What is this? Yes I eat meat, am I making threads claiming that vegans, animal rights protestors and environmentalists “lost” or that their campaigns to reduce people’s meat consumption is “pushing me to hate the cause and backfiring” in an attempt to defend my consumer choice. I’m also making active choices to change a lifelong habit and wouldn’t throw my toys out the pram if — after making my entire online personality for weeks now about how much I enjoy being a carnivore — I received criticism or side eyeing. Like please be serious and maybe take a look in the mirror if you find openly obsessing over a Harry Potter spin-off game is as essential to your life as the food on your plate. Edited February 24, 2023 by Jessie
RiseAndShine Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 Who the hell even thought this boycott would be remotely successful? Harry Potter is beloved, a story that has joined the ranks of Narnia, Alice in Wonderland and The Hobbit (just to name a few) in the GPs consciousness.
rac7d Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, KingWitch said: When is the Switch version coming ? Ive heard so much about this game April
Price of Fame Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 59 minutes ago, rac7d said: April that's the PS4/Xbox One version. Switch isn't til July (and truly I have no idea how that's gonna turn out )
truthteller Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) the way some just reduced a whole project and the development team and everyone behind it into the author of the IP rights (who's not even involved) is just sad. Edited February 25, 2023 by truthteller
AMIT Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, truthteller said: the way some just reduced a whole project and the development team and everyone behind it into the author of the IP rights is just sad. did they not choose to make this game? the company is just as much at fault here (more so than the devs themselves, but still)
DoctorIce Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, AMIT said: did they not choose to make this game? the company is just as much at fault here (more so than the devs themselves, but still) They game was already in development for 2 years, without Rowling's involvement, before she started mouthing off about trans people. Be serious.
AMIT Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, DoctorIce said: They game was already in development for 2 years, without Rowling's involvement, before she started mouthing off about trans people. Be serious. I agree it's a muddy situation (unfortunately). Still doesn't excuse anyone actively supporting the game, though.
Cloudy Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 The whole 'sabotage' was so dumb. She isn't even involved in the creation of them game, she's just cashing on the IP from anything Harry Potter. Also she's already filthy rich so people really embarrassed themselves, plus the artists and people who worked on the game should get their credit and see their product succeed and not be attacked or bashed because of what the old hag thinks or says.
DoctorIce Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, AMIT said: I agree it's a muddy situation (unfortunately). Still doesn't excuse anyone actively supporting the game, though. Nobody playing the game needs excusing. Least of all the large LGBTQ+ fan base of the franchise who it caters to specifically in terms of representation. The way nobody dragged the recent Fantastic Beats movie that she literally produced and wrote the screenplay for, but the game made without her involvement that introduces a prominent trans character in order to deliberately rebuke her stance, is exiled? People are well intentioned but cannot see the woods for the trees.
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