1 hour ago, suburbannature said:

She avoided answering that question like the plague 

4 minutes ago, Sazare said:

The story—as has been explained ad nauseam, and yet people still ask as some sort of “gotcha” for some reason—with Doja is that she’s contractually obligated to work with Luke and that she signed with him before the allegations against him went public. I have no way of knowing whether this is true because we are not privy to her contract, but as far as anyone knows, Doja’s situation is completely different from Kim’s, who has freely and unabashedly worked with Luke from the get-go. Kim was not signed to Luke’s imprint when she started working with him (which was after Kesha’s allegations went public; in fact, it’s been argued several times that Luke probably only started working with a trans artist as a PR maneuver, a trick you seem to be readily falling for)
 

A better argument would be to bring up Nicki, who’s not signed to Luke and worked with him as recently as last year on Super Freaky Girl. And to be honest, most people really don’t support that decision of Nicki’s. But the reason that Kim gets more backlash is that she’s repeatedly tried defending Luke, and gone as far as to passively accuse Kesha of lying.

Doja has also at least implies that Luke gets credited on her songs without her consent or knowledge. It's probably part of her contract that he gets to work on whatever she make and so all her stuff gets sent to him or something. He could also be stealing credit. 

The way she responded without even responding lmao.

I like Kim but why does she look like an entirely different human being in every photo shoot and photo she posts. Like girl, you do not look like that at all. I just don’t understand how she allows these publications to edit the **** out of her, it’s sad.

1 hour ago, Big Bad Wolf said:

I’m not Kim sympathizer but what answers are you guys looking for exactly? If she said something to the tune or “Dr Luke was not found guilty or convicted of any charges” you guys would still drag her so it’s a lose lose situation.

 

Exactly. Y’all are insufferable. I totally get the annoyance with it. But when will you all shut tf up and get over it. I don’t see Kesha throwing a fit about it every day cuz at the end of the day her problem is with Dr. Puke, not Kim or anyone else who’s worked with him. She’s since stopped working with him and y’all still aren’t satisfied. Just say you wanna tear this woman down like Dr. Luke did to Kesha and call it a day. The projection and obsession is so juvenile.

 

Not to mention, the way y’all will turn right around and grasp at straws to justify Doja’s working with Dr. Luke is proof y’all don’t care about “morality” at all. You cherry pick who can or can not be held accountable by the same thing and it’s not surprising y’all choose the TRANS woman to crucify, while excusing the others. 

Edited February 22, 20233 yr by CottageHore

1 hour ago, LoveInStereo said:

The way she twisted the question to act like the problem we all have is that we believe she can’t write without Dr. Luke. That was never the problem. We absolutely know she can, that’s why we’re asking why she chose to  she’s sneaky but not sneaky enough!

exactly, she twisted it into sth totally different and didn't answer the question at hand  

Typical Dr. Luke apologist side stepping the question.

1 hour ago, Danny789 said:

Idk what you guys expect from her, Luke wasn’t convicted of anything and she has a pleasant relationship with him. I believe Kesha, but it’s not hard to understand that a person would believe their friend especially when he was found not guilty in court. 

 

2 hours ago, gatito said:

werk that media training girl

Right? Before Unholy she would say “yeah i work with him. I believe him and he never disrespected me” lol she’s playing smart now to not fumble her bag

She's a vile idiot

1 hour ago, TomTom2288 said:

When will people understand that this lawsuit is not remotely over, he could not have been "found guilty" of anything because there has not even been a trial yet and Dr. Luke stopped prosecuting Kesha's emotional abuse allegations years ago, so he effectively conceded those are true (regardless of whether you believe he ALSO drugged and raped her).

Regardless, a bias comes into play when it’s people you actually know. 

Edited February 22, 20233 yr by Danny789

53 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

Exactly. Y’all are insufferable. I totally get the annoyance with it. But when will you all shut tf up and get over it. I don’t see Kesha throwing a fit about it every day cuz at the end of the day her problem is with Dr. Puke, not Kim or anyone else who’s worked with him. She’s since stopped working with him and y’all still aren’t satisfied. Just say you wanna tear this woman down like Dr. Luke did to Kesha and call it a day. The projection and obsession is so juvenile.

 

Not to mention, the way y’all will turn right around and grasp at straws to justify Doja’s working with Dr. Luke is proof y’all don’t care about “morality” at all. You cherry pick who can or can not be held accountable by the same thing and it’s not surprising y’all choose the TRANS woman to crucify, while excusing the others. 

Doja situation was explained over a 1000 times, you all Kim stans are just pressed that Doja got hits with Lukes minimum to none involvement (forced too) while your girl has her entire discography written and produced by rapists and abusers despite all the mtv payola and push. You have no arguments left so you just play the transphobia card when even her trans peers don't like her nor claim her because she is simply a vile human being. I mean Arca just shaded her less than 24h ago

https://www.instagram.com/p/Co630sXNkYZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 

 

shes so good at deflecting when it comes to this ndndnd

Why is she acting like she’s a good lyricist when her only stans stan her and her shitty music ironically

and the funniest thing is that every single song she put out that he didn't do has actually ranged from completely uninspired and boring to terrible 

28 minutes ago, DojaCat said:

Doja situation was explained over a 1000 times, you all Kim stans are just pressed that Doja got hits with Lukes minimum to none involvement (forced too) while your girl has her entire discography written and produced by rapists and abusers despite all the mtv payola and push. You have no arguments left so you just play the transphobia card when even her trans peers don't like her nor claim her because she is simply a vile human being. I mean Arca just shaded her less than 24h ago

https://www.instagram.com/p/Co630sXNkYZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 

 

Not the literal user “Doja Cat” spewing this whole paragraph off the inaccurate assumption that I’m some crazed Kim stan. I don’t even classify myself as a fan at this point. I just see right through all of you crazed stans’ double standards and am letting y’all know it makes you look disingenuous. Idc what Arca or anyone else said, I’m talking to the stans like you on this site who will use mental gymnastics to justify the actions of one woman to alleviate your cognitive dissonance because you have liking that one artist as an incentive to see the nuance in their collaborative situation with Dr. Luke. You don’t like Kim (which is totally fine), so it’s much easier for you to be unforgiving and to swap nuance and critical thinking with rigidity to label her involvement as “unacceptable”. And yes, I bring up the transphobia, because some of y’all truly have no other argument. You’ll continuously try to justify Doja’s situation and you know damn well it ain’t all that different. You’re still streaming all her biggest Luke-produced hits, willingly putting tons of money into Dr. Luke’s pockets and feel no remorse or personal responsibility.
 

Quit with the virtue signaling, unless you’re willing to stop supporting Doja and any other artist affiliated with and lining the pockets of Dr. Luke. You just look like a fool  

10 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

Not the literal user “Doja Cat” spewing this whole paragraph off the inaccurate assumption that I’m some crazed Kim stan. I don’t even classify myself as a fan at this point. I just see right through all of you crazed stans’ double standards and am letting y’all know it makes you look disingenuous. Idc what Arca or anyone else said, I’m talking to the stans like you on this site who will use mental gymnastics to justify the actions of one woman to alleviate your cognitive dissonance because you have liking that one artist as an incentive to see the nuance in their collaborative situation with Dr. Luke. You don’t like Kim (which is totally fine), so it’s much easier for you to be unforgiving and to swap nuance and critical thinking with rigidity to label her involvement as “unacceptable”. And yes, I bring up the transphobia, because some of y’all truly have no other argument. You’ll continuously try to justify Doja’s situation and you know damn well it ain’t all that different. You’re still streaming all her biggest Luke-produced hits, willingly putting tons of money into Dr. Luke’s pockets and feel no remorse or personal responsibility.
 

Quit with the virtue signaling, unless you’re willing to stop supporting Doja and any other artist affiliated with and lining the pockets of Dr. Luke. You just look like a fool  

Talk about paragraphs, I am not reading all that, like I said things were explained a million times, the only ppl mentioning that Kim is Trans are her stans and nobody else, that trans card has been declined already! 

Edited February 22, 20233 yr by DojaCat

2 hours ago, Sazare said:

The story—as has been explained ad nauseam, and yet people still ask as some sort of “gotcha” for some reason—with Doja is that she’s contractually obligated to work with Luke and that she signed with him before the allegations against him went public. I have no way of knowing whether this is true because we are not privy to her contract, but as far as anyone knows, Doja’s situation is completely different from Kim’s, who has freely and unabashedly worked with Luke from the get-go. Kim was not signed to Luke’s imprint when she started working with him (which was after Kesha’s allegations went public; in fact, it’s been argued several times that Luke probably only started working with a trans artist as a PR maneuver, a trick you seem to be readily falling for)
 

A better argument would be to bring up Nicki, who’s not signed to Luke and worked with him as recently as last year on Super Freaky Girl. And to be honest, most people really don’t support that decision of Nicki’s. But the reason that Kim gets more backlash is that she’s repeatedly tried defending Luke, and gone as far as to passively accuse Kesha of lying.

This right here

28 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

Not the literal user “Doja Cat” spewing this whole paragraph off the inaccurate assumption that I’m some crazed Kim stan. I don’t even classify myself as a fan at this point. I just see right through all of you crazed stans’ double standards and am letting y’all know it makes you look disingenuous. Idc what Arca or anyone else said, I’m talking to the stans like you on this site who will use mental gymnastics to justify the actions of one woman to alleviate your cognitive dissonance because you have liking that one artist as an incentive to see the nuance in their collaborative situation with Dr. Luke. You don’t like Kim (which is totally fine), so it’s much easier for you to be unforgiving and to swap nuance and critical thinking with rigidity to label her involvement as “unacceptable”. And yes, I bring up the transphobia, because some of y’all truly have no other argument. You’ll continuously try to justify Doja’s situation and you know damn well it ain’t all that different. You’re still streaming all her biggest Luke-produced hits, willingly putting tons of money into Dr. Luke’s pockets and feel no remorse or personal responsibility.
 

Quit with the virtue signaling, unless you’re willing to stop supporting Doja and any other artist affiliated with and lining the pockets of Dr. Luke. You just look like a fool  

All of this right here 

2 hours ago, Sazare said:

The story—as has been explained ad nauseam, and yet people still ask as some sort of “gotcha” for some reason—with Doja is that she’s contractually obligated to work with Luke and that she signed with him before the allegations against him went public. I have no way of knowing whether this is true because we are not privy to her contract, but as far as anyone knows, Doja’s situation is completely different from Kim’s, who has freely and unabashedly worked with Luke from the get-go. Kim was not signed to Luke’s imprint when she started working with him (which was after Kesha’s allegations went public; in fact, it’s been argued several times that Luke probably only started working with a trans artist as a PR maneuver, a trick you seem to be readily falling for)
 

A better argument would be to bring up Nicki, who’s not signed to Luke and worked with him as recently as last year on Super Freaky Girl. And to be honest, most people really don’t support that decision of Nicki’s. But the reason that Kim gets more backlash is that she’s repeatedly tried defending Luke, and gone as far as to passively accuse Kesha of lying.

“I have no way of knowing whether this is true” yet you are somehow privy to the situation of Kim’s situation to wholeheartedly draw some conclusion and comparison between their two situations.  The blatant contradiction here lmao

da way some of y'all will always bring up Amala workin with Puke to deflect from da rightful criticism Kim deserves

 

Coi, Nicki, Latto, Saweetie - all have worked with Puke and all have been criticized

 

da difference with Kim is not because she is trans but because she spoke in defense of Puke and also attempted to label Kesha as a liar, none of da rap girls have ever said this about Puke or Kesha

 

da way Kim deflected da question is what she should've done years ago when she first started working with Puke

1 hour ago, DojaCat said:

Talk about paragraphs, I am not reading all that, like I said things were explained a million times, the only ppl mentioning that Kim is Trans are her stans and nobody else, that trans card has been declined already! 

Just the response I’d expect from someone who has no argument, further proving the lack of viability in your whole perspective.  You did in fact “read all that” and I blew you out of the ******* water. Now get out of my mentions 

2 hours ago, CottageHore said:

Exactly. Y’all are insufferable. I totally get the annoyance with it. But when will you all shut tf up and get over it. I don’t see Kesha throwing a fit about it every day cuz at the end of the day her problem is with Dr. Puke, not Kim or anyone else who’s worked with him. She’s since stopped working with him and y’all still aren’t satisfied. Just say you wanna tear this woman down like Dr. Luke did to Kesha and call it a day. The projection and obsession is so juvenile.

 

Not to mention, the way y’all will turn right around and grasp at straws to justify Doja’s working with Dr. Luke is proof y’all don’t care about “morality” at all. You cherry pick who can or can not be held accountable by the same thing and it’s not surprising y’all choose the TRANS woman to crucify, while excusing the others. 

 

1 hour ago, CottageHore said:

Not the literal user “Doja Cat” spewing this whole paragraph off the inaccurate assumption that I’m some crazed Kim stan. I don’t even classify myself as a fan at this point. I just see right through all of you crazed stans’ double standards and am letting y’all know it makes you look disingenuous. Idc what Arca or anyone else said, I’m talking to the stans like you on this site who will use mental gymnastics to justify the actions of one woman to alleviate your cognitive dissonance because you have liking that one artist as an incentive to see the nuance in their collaborative situation with Dr. Luke. You don’t like Kim (which is totally fine), so it’s much easier for you to be unforgiving and to swap nuance and critical thinking with rigidity to label her involvement as “unacceptable”. And yes, I bring up the transphobia, because some of y’all truly have no other argument. You’ll continuously try to justify Doja’s situation and you know damn well it ain’t all that different. You’re still streaming all her biggest Luke-produced hits, willingly putting tons of money into Dr. Luke’s pockets and feel no remorse or personal responsibility.
 

Quit with the virtue signaling, unless you’re willing to stop supporting Doja and any other artist affiliated with and lining the pockets of Dr. Luke. You just look like a fool  

You spilled hard, I fear.

 

Took the words right outta my mouth. It's nice hearing this very reasonable, nuanced take from someone who's not a Kim stan (like me) because I think it holds more weight and lets the crazed OKHs/Doja/Kesha stans know that their tricks and delusions have quickly crumbled away. More people are on Kim's side regardless of if they're even fans of the girl, especially after Unholy and her Grammy win. Their issue should solely be with Luke. Not Kim. And if you're so concerned with his continued success in the industry (thanks to Doja, singularly) then you'd stop streaming any and every song he's produced. Hating a trans woman might make you feel better but it doesn't and hasn't changed a damn thing. 

 

5 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

Just the response I’d expect from someone who has no argument, further proving the lack of viability in your whole perspective.  You did in fact “read all that” and I blew you out of the ******* water. Now get out of my mentions 

 

3 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

Just the response I’d expect from someone who has no argument, further proving the lack of viability in your whole perspective.  You did in fact “read all that” and I blew you out of the ******* water. Now get out of my mentions 

All right then:

 

Not the literal user “Doja Cat” spewing this whole paragraph off the inaccurate assumption that I’m some crazed Kim stan.

 

 

You are, you are in every thread that bashes Kesha in some way joining the Kim stans

 

 

 

I don’t even classify myself as a fan at this point. I just see right through all of you crazed stans double standards and am letting y’all know it makes you look disingenuous. Idc what Arca or anyone else said, I’m talking to the stans like you on this site who will use mental gymnastics to justify the actions of one woman to alleviate your cognitive dissonance because you have liking that one artist as an incentive to see the nuance in their collaborative situation with Dr. Luke.

 

This is exactly what you are doing right here

 

 

You don’t like Kim (which is totally fine), so it’s much easier for you to be unforgiving and to swap nuance and critical thinking with rigidity to label her involvement as “unacceptable”. And yes, I bring up the transphobia, because some of y’all truly have no other argument.

 

Are you sure about that? Because I've seen ppl bashing her for working with Luke, Lil Aaron, Jesse Saint John, Baby E, Larry Rudolph yet your only argument is "transphobia"

 

 

 

You’ll continuously try to justify Doja’s situation and you know damn well it ain’t all that different. You’re still streaming all her biggest Luke-produced hits, willingly putting tons of money into Dr. Luke’s pockets and feel no remorse or personal responsibility.
 

If you did your research you would see that situation is indeed very different and dozens of other people explained it already

 

 

You simply have to read, but it's clear that the only thing lower than her morals is your IQ

5 minutes ago, Alfred said:

 

You spilled hard, I fear.

 

Took the words right outta my mouth. It's nice hearing this very reasonable, nuanced take from someone who's not a Kim stan (like me) because I think it holds more weight and lets the crazed OKHs/Doja/Kesha stans know that their tricks and delusions have quickly crumbled away. More people are on Kim's side regardless of if they're even fans of the girl, especially after Unholy and her Grammy win. Their issue should solely be with Luke. Not Kim. And if you're so concerned with his continued success in the industry (thanks to Doja, singularly) then you'd stop streaming any and every song he's produced. Hating a trans woman might make you feel better but it doesn't and hasn't changed a damn thing. 

 

 

The way you never miss an opportunity to come in and defend an alleged rapist…. Please for the love god touch some grass