discussion Is Taylor’s Slayage Getting Stale?

[GraceRandolph]

I don’t think anyone but the numerous hardcore fans really find it enjoyable at this point. She’s not doing anything exciting, she’s not shaking the table, it’s just all a bit too pedestrian to warrant the acclaim and numbers. Why can’t Carly be the one having this success? Kacey Musgraves? I’m beyond bored with this all. At least Gaga and Madonna’s imperial eras were entertaining. I guess Tay’s dominance makes sense amidst nostalgia and reboot culture but it’s tireddddddddd.

[Virgos Groove]

Not as stale as OTH's weekly meltdowns.

[Trent W]

Not yet, but at some point it will.

 

The most exciting thing about the Midnights era it’s the slayage and the visuals, the album is not bad, but it only has 3-4 good songs, is nowhere near as good as Evermore or Folklore.

 

I have an on/off relationship as a stan with Taylor because she has many good albums and some very bad.

 

I can predict a 1m debut for 1989 TV and at least 1.3m for her next studio album. It will be very good but not very impressive for her.

 

I think that the only thing that would be impressive for her is a legendary album in quality with mature content and major risks.

 

The commercial slayage will get stale as a fan it that’s all she will offer.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Trent W

[4Real]

Maybe for her haters. Personally, as a fan, I wasn't expecting this era to be as successful as it's proving to be rn and it's exciting to see that she can still smash like it's 2014.

[Erotic]

No, because she will continue to exceed expectations.

 

And lord, ya'll are not ready for the quality, evolution, and power she will undergo when she gets married and has her first child

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Erotic

[Raphy23]

What NO! She’s literally been flopping (except of course Folklore but I’m thinking more radio and mainstream) for the past 6 years. This is the comeback we all wanted and needed

Edited November 18, 2022 by Raphy23

[lover.]

For the OTHs maybe 

[GraceRandolph]

6 minutes ago, Raphy23 said:

What NO! She’s literally been flopping (except of course Folklore but I’m thinking more radio and mainstream) for the past 6 years. This is the comeback we all wanted and needed

You have CRJ as ur pic. You know Tay hasn’t been flopping by any stretch now sit. 

[Raphy23]

7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

You have CRJ as ur pic. You know Tay hasn’t been flopping by any stretch now sit. 

I don’t view Carly and Taylor is the same division. I find Carly to be very successful, critically acclaimed and with a very very loyal fan base that always fills up her shows.

[PoisonedIvy]

No, in fact I think it’s exciting that a woman can dominate the industry in a way that only Madonna, Britney, and Gaga had ever done before (and in the case of Britney and Gaga, unfortunately it was only for a short period of time.)

 

I’d rather Taylor than any of the male artists who do not evolve whatsoever nor do they put any effort into their image, aesthetic, growth, or evolution. 

[Brando]

for ATRL ye. it's not a fair playing field anymore. can't have the usual fights. 

[Archetype]

8 minutes ago, Raphy23 said:

I don’t view Carly and Taylor is the same division. I find Carly to be very successful, critically acclaimed and with a very very loyal fan base that always fills up her shows.

And what division is Taylor in?  Her own?  No one female artist really compares at this point.  Her stats are undraggable, her “flop” eras are bigger than most popular artists at their peaks.  Her consistency is unmatched. 

[Folklore89sm]

If it weren’t for Taylor the men would completely own the industry. So no.

[Raphy23]

1 minute ago, Archetype said:

And what division is Taylor in?  Her own?  No one female artist really compares at this point.  Her stats are undraggable, her “flop” eras are bigger than most popular artists at their peaks.  Her consistency is unmatched. 

She kinda had a bad rep with radio and GP in general for half a decade. This comeback is amazing to see. Katy next! 

[Literature]

53 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Not yet, but at some point it will.

 

The most exciting thing about the Midnights era it’s the slayage and the visuals, the album is not bad, but it only has 3-4 good songs, is nowhere near as good as Evermore or Folklore.

 

I have an on/off relationship as a stan with Taylor because she has many good albums and some very bad.

 

I can predict a 1m debut for 1989 TV and at least 1.3m for her next studio album. It will be very good but not very impressive for her.

 

I think that the only thing that would be impressive for her is a legendary album in quality with mature content and major risks.

 

The commercial slayage will get stale as a fan it that’s all she will offer.

You are setting her up with those insane commercial numbers 

[GraceRandolph]

Usually when I listen to a hit album (21, Teenage Dream, The Fame) I get the success immediately even if the music isn’t for me. Taylor’s Midnights is one of the first hit female pop albums whose success baffles me. 

[Bonicap]

1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said:

I don’t think anyone but the numerous hardcore fans really find it enjoyable at this point. She’s not doing anything exciting, she’s not shaking the table, it’s just all a bit too pedestrian to warrant the acclaim and numbers. Why can’t Carly be the one having this success? Kacey Musgraves? I’m beyond bored with this all. At least Gaga and Madonna’s imperial eras were entertaining. I guess Tay’s dominance makes sense amidst nostalgia and reboot culture but it’s tireddddddddd.

This is not an imperial era from Taylor Swift. An imperial era was 1989 with SIO-Blank Space-Bad Blood-Style-Wildest Dreams. There is only one single now and it's not even the biggest song of the year.

This is not a breakthrough, a comeback or nostalgia. This is just the current status of Taylor Swift. She is able to keep most of her oldest fans while new ones appear every day. It has nothing to do with any album in particular.

[PoisonPill]

Ya'll will just say/create threads for anything at this point 

[Badgalbriel]

19 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Usually when I listen to a hit album (21, Teenage Dream, The Fame) I get the success immediately even if the music isn’t for me. Taylor’s Midnights is one of the first hit female pop albums whose success baffles me. 

You're just old now. That's ok. 

[GraceRandolph]

6 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

You really don't see the correlation between Midnights' success and the general aesthetic/sound that's popular now? You might just have aged out of the target demographic then. 

 

2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

You're just old now. That's ok. 

I’m literally younger than Taylor 

[Trent W]

19 minutes ago, Bonicap said:

This is not an imperial era from Taylor Swift. An imperial era was 1989 with SIO-Blank Space-Bad Blood-Style-Wildest Dreams. There is only one single now and it's not even the biggest song of the year.

This is not a breakthrough, a comeback or nostalgia. This is just the current status of Taylor Swift. She is able to keep most of her oldest fans while new ones appear every day. It has nothing to do with any album in particular.

Midnight’s success is on par with 1989, it opened with bigger numbers in 2022.

 

Her Tour will be like twice as big as the one from 1989.

 

1989 will have a few more hits and more albums sold, but that’s only because of how the industry was in 2014-2015z

 

We might actually be experiencing her imperial era right now.

 

[Bonicap]

20 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Midnight’s success is on par with 1989, it opened with bigger numbers in 2022.

 

Her Tour will be like twice as big as the one from 1989.

 

1989 will have a few more hits and more albums sold, but that’s only because of how the industry was in 2014-2015z

 

We might actually be experiencing her imperial era right now.

 

The thing is Midnights is huge because her fanbase has reached a career peak, not the other way around. The album opened with 185M streams not because it was surprisignly good, but because the hype was huge and her fanbase was the biggest it has ever been. It's not like 1989 when the album became a huge turning point, new audience discovered her and a few songs were inescapable that year. This is an era with astonishing numbers because of Taylor's current status, any other album would've made similar numbers.

[WildHeart]

2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

Usually when I listen to a hit album (21, Teenage Dream, The Fame) I get the success immediately even if the music isn’t for me. Taylor’s Midnights is one of the first hit female pop albums whose success baffles me. 

I guess that's because songs on the album doesn't scream hit material. I can see why you feel like that. It is more of a lowkey album. It doesn't have the huge choruses of 1989 for example but i think this is what is popular nowadays, more lowkey albums. When we all asleep and Sour are not that different in this regard. 

 

1 hour ago, Bonicap said:

The thing is Midnights is huge because her fanbase has reached a career peak, not the other way around. The album opened with 185M streams not because it was surprisignly good, but because the hype was huge and her fanbase was the biggest it has ever been. It's not like 1989 when the album became a huge turning point, new audience discovered her and a few songs were inescapable that year. This is an era with astonishing numbers because of Taylor's current status, any other album would've made similar numbers.

I agree with most of the post but i think another Folkmore type of album wouldn't smash that hard and this album being pop also helped a bit. 

[Buffy]

3 hours ago, ATWK said:

Not as stale as OTH's weekly meltdowns.

This. Imagine being an OTH for the entirety of her career so far. That’s stale. They need to go outside touch grass and play some TSwift music.

[Life Savers]

No. I feel bad for the OTH sometimes, though. It must be exhausting being one.