discussion This is why people are mad Ariel was race swapped.

[JBJT2786]

10 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

That movie had literally no ties to the original Disney animation one though 

 

Anyway, you (and I’m referring to other users too here) really need to take your time to read people’s posts carefully before rushing to press that quote button because I have said multiple times at this point that I will watch and support the movie. This discussion goes beyond Disney casting Halle as Ariel and you’d know it if you took the time to watch the video in OP.

So what? The story isn't even original to Disney ( it's based on a damn book just like the Little Mermaid).

 

You keep saying this yet have spent the last 4 pages complaining about Hollywood doing race swapping because they're lazy when the problem is literally that they're lazy and need new original stories period. Hyperfocusing on one part is negating the main issue overall. And we have Black voices put out original content ya still complain ( look at Nope and The Woman King this year alone) So what the hell do you want?

[Mitsouko]

They didn’t “pick a black girl” tho. They picked a girl who looked like a fish or marine life form ??? and she just happened to be black. The casting director on this >>>

[JBJT2786]

28 minutes ago, cypriotpcdfan said:

because I can tell when they do this **** for woke points and I just dont like having my intelligence undermined.

 

They're doing this **** for money at the end of the day. They don't give two ***** about being woke. They realized catering to the Black community will show up more if they're represented on screen since Black Panther made them a crapton of money.

 

Talking about woke this and woke that does make you look dumb. HOLLYWOOD is a good damn business at the end of the day and finally realized  getting their heads out they ass that making familiar stories with our faces makes money. 

 

Your main focus should be why they so adamant on not making new stories period not cuz raceswapping.

[Weld_E]

4 hours ago, cypriotpcdfan said:

I'd rather support ACTUAL black art that has meaning, value and artistry behind it instead of being happy that GOT/LOTR threw in 2 black characters in the mix with no logic behind it just so they can avoid the backlash of not being 'inclusive'. 

What kind of ‘logic’ do you need to cast a POC? Unless their race is central to the story, why should it matter what the actor’s race is when casting? Why is white the default, and you need some sort of “logic” to justify casting a POC instead?

[JBJT2786]

6 minutes ago, InventedGays said:

The thing is they ARE making original stories. Plenty of them. Disney and everyone else. Lol but guess what.. those ALSO receive backlash for being about POC or featuring minorities, so guess people aren’t just angry about “originality” or “legacy” now are they 

I'm talking about actual original stories...not remixed beats from old material ( example the Gray Man is basically a Bourne movie and Don't Worry Darling is a Stepford Wives meets Serenity). And the ones actually making money are remakes of old material or legacy sequels of old material. There's not enough truly original content on the big screen anymore. 

 

But I know about POC focused stories. I still remember that 20 page thread I made about Jordan Peele not wanting to cast white people in the lead of his films and the back and forth we had on here ( it def exposed a crapton of racists on here)

[Hephaestus]

2 minutes ago, JBJT2786 said:

So what? The story isn't even original to Disney ( it's based on a damn book just like the Little Mermaid).

 

You keep saying this yet have spent the last 4 pages complaining about Hollywood doing race swapping because they're lazy when the problem is literally that they're lazy and need new original stories period. Hyperfocusing on one part is negating the main issue overall. And we have Black voices put out original content ya still complain ( look at Nope and The Woman King this year alone) So what the hell do you want?

Yeah, but it’s didn’t make sense to pick a movie that wasn’t intended to be a live action version of the original animated one to prove that “Disney has already done this” in this context.

 

Contrarily to what you think, I didn’t book a residency in this topic to reply to every people I don’t agree with, I chose to respond to people that quoted me because in most of not all cases they misinterpreted my point despite simply reiterating what the woman in OP’s video was saying. As far as I’m concerned, I said what I wanted to say in my first post, which also includes the answer to your last question: more original stories for POC and minorities. That’s it.

[cypriotpcdfan]

14 minutes ago, JBJT2786 said:

They're doing this **** for money at the end of the day. They don't give two ***** about being woke. They realized catering to the Black community will show up more if they're represented on screen since Black Panther made them a crapton of money.

 

Talking about woke this and woke that does make you look dumb. HOLLYWOOD is a good damn business at the end of the day and finally realized  getting their heads out they ass that making familiar stories with our faces makes money. 

 

Your main focus should be why they so adamant on not making new stories period not cuz raceswapping.

I guess this is true.

[JBJT2786]

22 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

Yeah, but it’s didn’t make sense to pick a movie that wasn’t intended to be a live action version of the original animated one to prove that “Disney has already done this” in this context.

What part of "the story is not original to Disney" that doesn't click with you? Even the Cinderella one ya were going back and forth about was made by who? DISNEY. Yes they modernized it from the animated one but it's the same exact story which is different from the origin story.

 

Disney has remade 7 animated films in the last 7 years. Every single one of them had different changes from the original film. Yet ya so hyperfocused on a skin color change on one film. Do you see how ridiculous that looks?

 

Complain how except for Jungle Book none of these live action remakes lived up to the original. Complain about how the changes has never worked for most of this remakes. Complain the unnecessary need for these remakes but complaining about a race swap is the most ridiculous thing I've heard about this.

22 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

Contrarily to what you think, I didn’t book a residency in this topic to reply to every people I don’t agree with, I chose to respond to people that quoted me because in most of not all cases they misinterpreted my point despite simply reiterating what the woman in OP’s video was saying

Yet you're still replying. If you feel your made your point on the first page then stop feeling butthurt that people are taking your point the wrong way ( btw wasn't clear enough ) and ignore them. I'm replying to you because your further replys after the inital post isn't not making your point any better and are still making you and the video ( which honestly shouldn't exist because of the points I've made earlier) look bad. The examples you pointed out and saying it erases the legacy of the original ( which is literal the reason why people started having a problem with your post in the first place and is a completely false statement) isn't helping your case either.

 

You should've just kept it at " I see what she's saying and we should have more original black stories. But I'm going to go support the film anyway" 

 

Everything esle you said just opened a can of worms.

 

 

[Hephaestus]

48 minutes ago, JBJT2786 said:

What part of "the story is not original to Disney" that doesn't click with you? Even the Cinderella one ya were going back and forth about was made by who? DISNEY. Yes they modernized it from the animated one but it's the same exact story which is different from the origin story.

 

Disney has remade 7 animated films in the last 7 years. Every single one of them had different changes from the original film. Yet ya so hyperfocused on a skin color change on one film. Do you see how ridiculous that looks?

 

Complain how except for Jungle Book none of these live action remakes lived up to the original. Complain about how the changes has never worked for most of this remakes. Complain the unnecessary need for these remakes but complaining about a race swap is the most ridiculous thing I've heard about this.

 

Yet you're still replying. If you feel your made your point on the first page then stop feeling butthurt that people are taking your point the wrong way ( btw wasn't clear enough ) and ignore them. I'm replying to you because your further replys after the inital post isn't not making your point any better and are still making you and the video ( which honestly shouldn't exist because of the points I've made earlier) look bad. The examples you pointed out and saying it erases the legacy of the original ( which is literal the reason why people started having a problem with your post in the first place and is a completely false statement) isn't helping your case either.

 

You should've just kept it at " I see what she's saying and we should have more original black stories. But I'm going to go support the film anyway" 

 

Everything esle you said just opened a can of worms.

I’m going to ignore the discussion on the old Cinderella live action because it literally has no place in this discussion considering we’re talking about the live actions Disney started making ten years or so ago.

 

The bolded parts are the reason why I choose to reply still. Despite my numerous posts on the matter you still think I have an issue with race-swapping for this or any other movie in particular when I said from the beginning that I find it problematic in general and it’s often a way for Hollywood to compensate the lack of original content for particular demographics. I’m certainly not butthurt about or losing any sleep over this, but I totally understand that some things (like the one about “erasing the legacy”) can come across differently than I intended, so having some time to spare I don’t mind spending it to try and make my point clearer.

 

I hope this post clarifies my position on the matter once and for all.

[infrared]

1 hour ago, Hephaestus said:

That movie had literally no ties to the original Disney animation one though 

 

Anyway, you (and I’m referring to other users too here) really need to take your time to read people’s posts carefully before rushing to press that quote button because I have said multiple times at this point that I will watch and support the movie. This discussion goes beyond Disney casting Halle as Ariel and you’d know it if you took the time to watch the video in OP.

No one is rushing to post - sis, you’re not that important  you made a lazy and impractical statement. We can name several shows, movies, performances that have changed genders, races, orientations over the past 30 years and life has continued on - way before people started calling this era “woke diversity casting”

 

we can create new stories and be in old. It doesn’t need to be one or the other. 

 

and when I said don’t watch, I meant in the broader sense for people who are upset 

[slik]

I remember all the outrage when the original The Little Mermaid was released about Disney using a singing and dancing Jamaican lobster instead of a more traditional singing and dancing Danish lobster.

[ConceptD]

3 hours ago, Da Vinci said:

The girl in the video says it's not racism, it's just "backlash cause of childhood memories being changed"

But then why are people around the world are literally commenting slurs and sending hate to Halle as we speak? 

 

Why should gingers worry about less representation when the original ginger characters are... still there  And new ginger ones keep getting made (Isn't Princess Anna a ginger?  ) It's not like they went back to the 1989 cartoon and edited her skin and eye color

Don't people love to claim that these remakes will be forgotten anyways and everyone will just watch the originals?  So why is it such a big deal now

 

And going by her examples, if people eventually came to accept and even love Robert Pattinson as Edward then they can accept Halle as Ariel

Ariel wasn’t even ginger she was Rihanna red. Halles hair is literally more ginger than the original. 

[Communion]

56 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

I’m going to ignore the discussion on the old Cinderella live action because it literally has no place in this discussion considering we’re talking about the live actions Disney started making ten years or so ago.

 

The bolded parts are the reason why I choose to reply still. Despite my numerous posts on the matter you still think I have an issue with race-swapping for this or any other movie in particular when I said from the beginning that I find it problematic in general and it’s often a way for Hollywood to compensate the lack of original content for particular demographics. I’m certainly not butthurt about or losing any sleep over this, but I totally understand that some things (like the one about “erasing the legacy”) can come across differently than I intended, so having some time to spare I don’t mind spending it to try and make my point clearer.

 

I hope this post clarifies my position on the matter once and for all.

I don't think there's anything more intelligently bankrupt and disingenuous than the girl in the OP or you thinking it's more nuanced to try and emphasize the smaller amount of possibly black people who'd rather an original black mermaid story and thus that's their issue and it somehow makes that then erases away the virulent anti-black racism that is objectively at the heart at the vast majority of complaints about Halle being the Little Mermaid.  Like do you think those upset with the obsession on re-telling old stories are also the ones sending Halle hate?

 

4 pages and not a single argument made outside of "well not EVERYONE upset is a racist" despite such a statement being true would not change the validity of the statement that most people upset by it are. 

 

Like even if you personally have different issues with the changing of the mermaid's "race", surely you cold see why it would not be fruitful or tactful to try and really die on the hill because your opinion would still only represent a small portion versus the have 4chan weirdos being racist and twitter users trying to deepfake Halle into a white woman, right?

Edited September 24, 2022 by Communion

[Attitude]

That lady in the OP made some points.  Still gonna see the movie though. 

[dussymob]

2 hours ago, Hephaestus said:

I’m going to ignore the discussion on the old Cinderella live action because it literally has no place in this discussion considering we’re talking about the live actions Disney started making ten years or so ago.

 

The bolded parts are the reason why I choose to reply still. Despite my numerous posts on the matter you still think I have an issue with race-swapping for this or any other movie in particular when I said from the beginning that I find it problematic in general and it’s often a way for Hollywood to compensate the lack of original content for particular demographics. I’m certainly not butthurt about or losing any sleep over this, but I totally understand that some things (like the one about “erasing the legacy”) can come across differently than I intended, so having some time to spare I don’t mind spending it to try and make my point clearer.

 

I hope this post clarifies my position on the matter once and for all.

It literally has every place in this discussion. Just admit you look stupid and stfu. 

[Chiidish]

Anyone who thinks this is gonna flop  we will literally shove money down Disney’s throats just to spite the racists 

[Patient Zero]

Halle looks and sounds amazing as Ariel. I'm curious about the acting tho

[Iceland]

I’ll support the movie!!! 
we need to see these racists SUFFER 

[Joyride]

and to think Halle is THE only reason I'm interested in this film...

[manwhore]

Girl at the very least  add a summary after video to know what to expect  

[Anye]

It's gonna flop anyway 

[applestar]

the real reason why racist men are upset is because they cant beat off to a black mermaid 

 

there are troves of disgusting forums where they beat their meat to hollywood actresses, and their dick dont get hard for hallie 

[Lovett]

7 hours ago, Anye said:

It's gonna flop anyway 

It's obviously not going to.

[MadonnasBoyfriend]

I wish they would have just cast someone else for the role and avoid this controversy. It's annoying and distracting and Halle is gonna have a hard time reading comment sections for years which she doesn't deserve. 

[QueenBLadyG]

You are racist if you have problem with it. There's no there way around it. You can try and make as many excuses as you can but, you'll still be a worthless racist in the end.