discussion This is why people are mad Ariel was race swapped.

[Karla Cabello]

this is such a non topic to me. like why do you care so much about this. halle is a great cast because ariel most important feature is not her white skin or red hair, not even her mermaid tail, it is her voice and halle has a great beautiful voice.

[BNF91]

It's blowing my mind how we continue to talk about this. Some of ya'll are embarrassing yourselves in the thread trying to justify your points. Ariel's black in the film and we will all deal. All of these stupid thinkpieces and videos are pointless fodder with no real substantial interesting viewpoints on the matter. Creating mountains out of molehills. 

 

Insanity. 

 

Halle is gonna kill it. 

[Hephaestus]

40 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

 

Please explain to me how the movie Black Panther, which is principally about race, works with race-swapping. Quickly. 

It simply doesn’t, I wasn’t implying it could work in any way. What I’m trying to say (and is also the main point of the video) is that when people love a certain version of a character, especially one who has been around for decades in this case, it’s simply a bad idea to change it, even just in appearance. As the woman in the video pointed out, they could’ve even cast a white girl to play Ariel, but if they slapped a blonde wig on her people would’ve been upset too.

 

55 minutes ago, Revolution said:

Where's the race swapping? Ariel is part of the human race. Halle is part of the human race. 

[MrDog]

43 minutes ago, cypriotpcdfan said:

Me? Absolutely not. Please don't throw such accusations at people you don't even know to try and create a narrative. You could have argued with what I said without having to paint me as a bigot. 

 

Also, I did say in my comment that of course many of those complaining could be racist. I'm not arguing that. But just like the woman in the video, I see it with a wider view. 

 

If you think studios aren't throwing in a few token black people in their films/shows for woke points, then you are completely missing the issue. 

 

I'd rather support ACTUAL black art that has meaning, value and artistry behind it instead of being happy that GOT/LOTR threw in 2 black characters in the mix with no logic behind it just so they can avoid the backlash of not being 'inclusive'. 

 

I'd rather watch and support movies and TV shows solely created by black directors/writers that feature all black cast like Marlon Wayans, Jordan Peele, Lee Daniels etc that are trying to break the mold with ORIGINAL content, creating work for all types of black creatives in the Entertainment Industry and showing what true representation should be all about. 

 

This performative activism by Hollywood is so dry and try hard that it takes away from the creativity of the arts. 

 

If you are happy with Hollywood taking stories, movies and TV shows that were 'white' and turning them 'black' instead of giving more opportunities to black creators to release and create original content, then you are a part of the problem without even realizing. 

 

 

Also, just like there were many times where 'white people' were upset at things like these, I can name you tons of movies/tv shows that were massively successful, both in terms of sales and acclaim, that featured mostly POC cast. So, it's not as black and white as you try to portray it to be. 

 

Anyway, I could care less if Ariel is white or black. But the woman in the video raised some incredibly valid points. 

 

Now, go ahead and pick 2 sentences from all the things I've shared above to try and create and further push a narrative that I'm possibly racist or bigoted instead of trying to understand where I'm coming from, from what I've said. 

They won't understand it, cause it would ruin their small-minded narrative. 

 

There is hope, tho. I see more and more black people who are actually using their brains to know that these controversial race-swapped roles or throwing quick little new black characters created on purpose is doing the opposite - dividing the society furthermore on this subject matter. 

 

I'm all in for creating a content, where black culture can be embraced without such argues. 

[Guest]

The real crime is not making Ursula a drag queen, but ofc the anti SJW crowd would explode if that happened.

[Blood Magic]

The lengths people will go to justify their racism

[Hephaestus]

1 minute ago, M André said:

The real crime is not making Ursula a drag queen, but ofc the anti SJW crowd would explode if that happened.

Now that’s tea. Jinkx or Ginger would’ve demolished as Ursula.

[Da Vinci]

And yet nobody was mad a Middle Eastern guy named Jesus was turned into a blond blue eyed European looking man  

 

[Da Vinci]

3 hours ago, Obsession said:

I'm sorry but this video's thesis is false.

 

We see people get angry when there are original nonwhite characters such as Arondir in Rings of Power or Andor in Star Wars, so the issue is not that people want Hollywood to create original nonwhite characters. They just don't want characters who aren't white on their screens unless they're in the background.

This this this

 

People get MAD when ORIGINAL minority characters get added, recently with Lightyear for example

Buzz Lightyear wasn't gay, 2 NEW original characters were and people still lost their minds

 

John Boyega also got dragged for playing a random stormtrooper  

The Kelly Marie Tran fiasco as well speaks for itself

 

AS IF these racists will support original POC characters, please  

[confide in me]

32 minutes ago, Da Vinci said:

And yet nobody was mad a Middle Eastern guy named Jesus was turned into a blond blue eyed European looking man  

 

!!!

[ConceptD]

3 hours ago, Hephaestus said:

Where did I say that Halle won’t do a great job in this? Matter of fact, she might even be the best voice for the role, but Disney has definitely overestimated that her voice alone would be enough to prevent people getting riled up over such a substantial change in appearance of the main character. I’m sure the movie will do well, but I wonder if it’s worth putting talent through such a stressful experience for a race-swapped character when they could focus on creating original and meaningful stories to give POC the representation they deserve.

 

It matters to people who grew loving that version of the character though, that’s why people are complaining.

Baby it’s veiled racism and you didn’t need to write all that. Just say you hate the fact that a black girl got the role and stop writing think pieces about how it’s ruining your child hood when the original still exists which portrays a white fictitious sea creature and you can easily live the rest of your life without watching this if that would bring you peace. 

[LoveInStereo]

Part of having a conversation is listening. You can't seriously claim every single person who disagrees with this casting choice is racist if you watched the video in the OP. I get there's an urge to use an anon forum as an outlet to vent but it's also an opportunity to expand your mind through alternative viewpoints. Really defeats the purpose of having discussions if we all just jump up on our individual soap boxes without engaging with other people's perspectives  I see both sides making valid points. I'm definitely checking out the movie

Edited September 24, 2022 by LoveInStereo

[Hephaestus]

1 minute ago, ConceptD said:

Baby it’s veiled racism and you didn’t need to write all that. Just say you hate the fact that a black girl got the role and stop writing think pieces about how it’s ruining your child hood when the original still exists which portrays a white fictitious sea creature and you can easily live the rest of your life without watching this if that would bring you peace. 

I have literally said that I’ll watch and support this in my first post, but you got me I guess 

 

Since I’m agreeing with some of the points the WOC in the OP’s video made, I assume you think she’s also racist, right?

 

If you are unable to discuss a nuanced topic like this without labeling people as racists, simply don’t engage. I have never said Halle shouldn’t have gotten the role, my comments were more of a critique to the way Hollywood and media in general operate. Watch similar discussions pop up once the trailer for Snow White drops because Disney (and, again, Hollywood as a whole) would rather throw POC/minorities under the bus for controversies and free press rather than focus on creating original content that highlights and showcases themes and stories that are actually meaningful to them.

[blaggot]

 

 

it’s a ******* MERMAID. the movie has been made and nothing is going to change. get the **** over it and stop whining

[Da Vinci]

The girl in the video says it's not racism, it's just "backlash cause of childhood memories being changed"

But then why are people around the world are literally commenting slurs and sending hate to Halle as we speak? 

 

Why should gingers worry about less representation when the original ginger characters are... still there  And new ginger ones keep getting made (Isn't Princess Anna a ginger?  ) It's not like they went back to the 1989 cartoon and edited her skin and eye color

Don't people love to claim that these remakes will be forgotten anyways and everyone will just watch the originals?  So why is it such a big deal now

 

And going by her examples, if people eventually came to accept and even love Robert Pattinson as Edward then they can accept Halle as Ariel

[Katy V.!]

Honrstly there's absolutely no scenario where you get mad about this that doesn’t make you racist.  

[infrared]

7 hours ago, Hephaestus said:

She actually made several points. If only people took the time to listen to a WOC giving her opinion on the matter...

 

I'll support and watch The Little Mermaid because I like the original movie, but I'll never stand up for race-swapping of already established characters. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved because it erases the legacy and representation of a character that is already known and loved by millions of people and puts the "new version" of it (and its community by extension) in a really bad spot because of all the hate that comes with that decision.

 

At the end of the day, race-swapping a character is just a lazy move and does more harm than good. Everyone would be happier if Hollywood focused on creating new, original stories for POC because we've seen that people do enjoy and support representation in media when done well.

Oh please - Cinderella was black in the 90s and no one did all of this 

 

just don’t watch the movie if it’s not your thing - doesn’t erase ****, it’s not like it’s the last version we’ll ever get of little mermaid 

[cypriotpcdfan]

6 minutes ago, InventedGays said:

You honestly, truly, think that a majority of people losing it over this casting is doing so for anything other than racism? Acting as if this one persons thoughtful perspective is in any way indicative of the general opinion is very naive 

Quite possibly. And the woman in the video clearly says this.

 

But I still do agree that, had they had a white girl play Ariel but with blond hair, there would also be a big uproar from fans of the animation. Maybe not to the extend of this case, but still.

 

 

[cypriotpcdfan]

3 minutes ago, infrared said:

Oh please - Cinderella was black in the 90s and no one did all of this 

 

just don’t watch the movie if it’s not your thing - doesn’t erase ****, it’s not like it’s the last version we’ll ever get of little mermaid 

So you mean to tell me that racism didn't exist in the 90s but exists today? You mean to tell me that there's more racism in 2022 than the 90s?

 

 

[sha-nasty]

The movie is for kids, the only people who have opinions on it are adults. It is honestly ******* weird even if it was not about race. Like not everything in life will be for you, so don't watch. 

[cypriotpcdfan]

2 minutes ago, InventedGays said:

Why are you making an either or situation?

 

Are these performative? Maybe, sure. But there is an entire generation seeing this as their Ariel, bc they’re the intended audience not a bitter gay complaining on a music forum.  You’re acting as if not supporting this is somehow gonna make Disney turn around and make more original content and that’s just not how it works. And in case you haven’t noticed because the internet didn’t tell you to be mad about it, pretty much ALL new original Disney movies recently have centered or at least featured POC. They are doing both, but here you are focusing on a fictional mermaid. 

 

The fact that you can name successful black projects means literally nothing, And the idea that there needs to be “logic” to include POC in completely fictional fantasy lands is such a joke. 

She has some good observations about performative actions by large corporations, but that CLEARLY is not the reason most people are mad about it. There’s really no reason for you to play devils advocate for the racists and try to give deeper meaning to their hate 

 

I literally never had a problem wirh Halle being cast as Ariel You will never find a post of me saying this, I literally said earlier in this thread that I could care less if they cast a white woman or black woman as Ariel. 

 

My point is towards the ones that arent racists yet have an issue with this. Because God knows I've been called racists tons of times in this forum, yet I can challenge everyone to find something that indicates me being a racist. 90% of my posts are in support of mostly WOC. Yet, in just ONE instance where I might say something thag a POC doesnt agree with, I'm automatically branded a racist. So, I'm talking about THAT specific group of people that arent really racist, yet branding everyone a racist for having an issue with this is a very dangerous, slippery slope.

 

I understand where you are coming from, 100%. But I'm saying, PERSONALLY, i'm someone who loves authenticity. So Id much rather support something original from a black creator. Yes, it's indeed true that even adding the token black character is at least giving a platofrm and giving more jobs to POC. But it just doesnt sit right with me, because I can tell when they do this **** for woke points and I just dont like having my intelligence undermined.

 

But as I said, this is me and I can only speak for myself.

 

 

[cypriotpcdfan]

8 minutes ago, InventedGays said:

People are much louder with their racism in our current social landscape since the 2016 election and they have many more outlets to show it than they did in the 90s. You don’t need to act obtuse to defend racism people 

Where did I defend racist people?

 

Also, did you seriously just typed that?

[Hephaestus]

21 minutes ago, infrared said:

Oh please - Cinderella was black in the 90s and no one did all of this 

 

just don’t watch the movie if it’s not your thing - doesn’t erase ****, it’s not like it’s the last version we’ll ever get of little mermaid 

That movie had literally no ties to the original Disney animation one though 

 

Anyway, you (and I’m referring to other users too here) really need to take your time to read people’s posts carefully before rushing to press that quote button because I have said multiple times at this point that I will watch and support the movie. This discussion goes beyond Disney casting Halle as Ariel and you’d know it if you took the time to watch the video in OP.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Hephaestus

[JBJT2786]

8 hours ago, MrDog said:

The movie's gonna bomb 

Said no one that lives in reality. Especially with this "controversy" this is gonna end up like BP numbers opening weekend

7 hours ago, Danny789 said:

The real problem is we are living in a era of remaking, retelling, and rebooting art. If we didn’t race swap we would be repeating the lack of representation. 

This. This is just Hollywood being lazy as usual. And yes the YouTuber pointed it out but to put a hyperfocus on just the race swapping and not on Hollywood's main reliance on not putting new original stories ( hell even less Black original stories) is just weird. 

 

Especially when we still getting white people portraying real life figures in some stories ( God's of Egypt anyone).

 

 

[yonsé]

so many weirdos here. threads like these rly make the kkktrl JUMP out