discussion This is why people are mad Ariel was race swapped.

[Distantconstellation]

 

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Distantconstellation

[Lovett]

Yet she remains black. The losers can continue to SEETHE about it.

[Gossip_Boy]

We’re talking about a fictional character and a fish person living in a fictional underwater kingdom who eventually turned into sea foam. People who are about about Ariel being portrayed by a black woman need to go outside and touch some ******* grass.

[MrDog]

29 minutes ago, MrLovett said:

Yet she remains black. The losers can continue to SEETHE about it.

The movie's gonna bomb 

[Jude]

People who say the movie's gonna bomb are RACIST!

[terrorblade]

it's gonna flop anyway

[Hephaestus]

She actually made several points. If only people took the time to listen to a WOC giving her opinion on the matter...

 

I'll support and watch The Little Mermaid because I like the original movie, but I'll never stand up for race-swapping of already established characters. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved because it erases the legacy and representation of a character that is already known and loved by millions of people and puts the "new version" of it (and its community by extension) in a really bad spot because of all the hate that comes with that decision.

 

At the end of the day, race-swapping a character is just a lazy move and does more harm than good. Everyone would be happier if Hollywood focused on creating new, original stories for POC because we've seen that people do enjoy and support representation in media when done well.

[Danny789]

28 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

She actually made several points. If only people took the time to listen to a WOC giving her opinion on the matter...

 

I'll support and watch The Little Mermaid because I like the original movie, but I'll never stand up for race-swapping of already established characters. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved because it erases the legacy and representation of a character that is already known and loved by millions of people and puts the "new version" of it (and its community by extension) in a really bad spot because of all the hate that comes with that decision.

How does it erase the legacy of the original? It’s still right there, it didn’t go anywhere. It’s not like Disneyland is filled with Emma Watson as Belle. This is a retelling and being “white” is not central to the character. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Danny789

[Hephaestus]

3 minutes ago, Danny789 said:

How does it erase the legacy of the original? It’s still right there it didn’t go anywhere. It’s not like Disneyland is filled with Emma Watson as Belle. 

Disney didn't choose an actress that didn't resemble Belle though. Can you imagine if they race-swapped Aladdin, Mulan, Moana, Black Panther?

[Aethereal]

4 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

Disney didn't choose an actress that didn't resemble Belle though. Can you imagine if they race-swapped Aladdin, Mulan, Moana, Black Panther?

Mulan and Aladdin are not really great examples as they are partly based on history. The equivalent would be making Mao from Moana, Nordic. (He was a mythological god like Ariel was a mermaid so he can have atypical features).

Edited September 24, 2022 by Aristotle

[Danny789]

11 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

Disney didn't choose an actress that didn't resemble Belle though. Can you imagine if they race-swapped Aladdin, Mulan, Moana, Black Panther?

Those are horrible examples because their race is important to their story. Ariel is a mermaid she’s not human and doesn’t have race like we do. 
 

Funny side story is that the original source material for Aladdin is Chinese. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Danny789

[cypriotpcdfan]

Fantastic video  

 

She saw both points of view without any bias and using LOGIC and made her points with so much elegance, intelligence and facts. 

 

Sure, a lot of the people upset with this COULD be racist, but she tried to give the overall view, which I think is very on point. 

 

Instead of Hollywood trying to race swap characters, they should be focusing on creating brand new characters and stories. Give more black writers/directors/producers the chance to write new stories involving black main characters instead of turning already existing characters black. That's the lazy way to appear 'inclusive' and it seems like a cheap tactic to get 'woke points'. 

 

On the other hand, I do understand the importance of seeing little girls/boys feeling represented in the media through art and those videos of black girls being so excited to see the little mermaid looking like them are truly emotional. 

 

But why not create a new black Disney princess that the new generation can look up to? A whole new story? 

 

Anyways, I will be subscribing to this channel. This woman sounds incredibly smart and gets it. 

 

 

[Roberto]

This whole situation is just... We will be watching it, Halle is gonna be amazing in this movie. 

[cypriotpcdfan]

12 minutes ago, Danny789 said:

Those are horrible examples because their race is important to their story. Ariel is a mermaid she’s not human and doesn’t have race like we do. 
 

Funny side story is that the original source material for Aladdin is Chinese. 

So if they had decided to turn Ariel into a green alien, would you still be watching? Since she's no human with no race. 

[Danny789]

The real problem is we are living in a era of remaking, retelling, and rebooting art. If we didn’t race swap we would be repeating the lack of representation. 

[Danny789]

3 minutes ago, cypriotpcdfan said:

So if they had decided to turn Ariel into a green alien, would you still be watching? Since she's no human with no race. 

 

yes 

 

it would make Eric a little freaky deaky but I don’t judge. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Danny789

[cypriotpcdfan]

3 minutes ago, Danny789 said:

The real problem is we are living in a era of remaking, retelling, and rebooting art. If we didn’t race swap we would be repeating the lack of representation. 

I agree with this. They need to start creating more original stories/characters that are inclusive, instead of race swapping existing characters for woke points. 

 

As the woman in the video said, I do understand both points of view. But this right here is the biggest issue. 

2 minutes ago, Danny789 said:

 

yes 

lmao I didn't even know such concept existed

[dussymob]

I don’t recall people being upset when Brandt played Cinderella 

[dussymob]

12 minutes ago, cypriotpcdfan said:

Fantastic video  

 

She saw both points of view without any bias and using LOGIC and made her points with so much elegance, intelligence and facts. 

 

Sure, a lot of the people upset with this COULD be racist, but she tried to give the overall view, which I think is very on point. 

 

Instead of Hollywood trying to race swap characters, they should be focusing on creating brand new characters and stories. Give more black writers/directors/producers the chance to write new stories involving black main characters instead of turning already existing characters black. That's the lazy way to appear 'inclusive' and it seems like a cheap tactic to get 'woke points'. 

 

On the other hand, I do understand the importance of seeing little girls/boys feeling represented in the media through art and those videos of black girls being so excited to see the little mermaid looking like them are truly emotional. 

 

But why not create a new black Disney princess that the new generation can look up to? A whole new story? 

 

Anyways, I will be subscribing to this channel. This woman sounds incredibly smart and gets it. 

 

 

Like how y’all support The Princess in the Frog??

[cypriotpcdfan]

20 minutes ago, dussymob said:

Like how y’all support The Princess in the Frog??

Who's 'Y'all'? 

 

Personally, I'm not a DIsney fan so I could care less about any of their films. 

 

But I have supported and LOVED a lot of new films with all black cast/director/producers. 

 

 

Girl's Trip, Us, Get Out, Nope and the list goes on. So, yeah. Personally, I do support black art. I hope this helps answer your question. 

[Into The Void]

I think its weird people get so angry over the race of a fictional character. 

[Jack.]

I refuse to entertain this topic. I literally think it’s been done to create division and unease among our communities. 

[Brooke Candy]

Idc that’s NOT my Ariel. Good thing the movie will flop

[Hephaestus]

53 minutes ago, Danny789 said:

Those are horrible examples because their race is important to their story. Ariel is a mermaid she’s not human and doesn’t have race like we do. 
 

Funny side story is that the original source material for Aladdin is Chinese. 

They might be, but as you pointed out as well most of Dinsey’s stories aren’t faithful adaptations of the source material so there’s already an issue there if we really want to discuss how different something can be from the original without losing its meaning and core values. Anyway, the user above you made a valid example with Mao from Moana.

 

Also, let’s be real: Ariel might be based on a mythical creature but they decided to depict her as half human, so the discussions about race are very valid. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if she was a complete sea creature (like Luca, for example, or even other folkloristic interpretations of mermaids).

[ConceptD]

They’re mad because they’re racist. It’s as simple as that. It really doesn’t matter to the story at all if this fictional mermaid is black or white. The only impact it will have on the film is making little black girls feel special when they see someone that looks like them on screen.