publikcitizen Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 Trying to clarify this season in my mind. So we have four possible timelines happening concurrently this season. #1 Maeve and Stubbs - 7 years after the events of S3 #2 Man in Black, Clementine, and evil Charlotte Hale - Not sure when this takes place, but I think it’s before the storyline with Maeve and Stubbs? #3 Bernard and Stubbs - We don’t know how long Bernard has been in “robot heaven” #4 Christina and possibly Teddy - No idea when or where this takes place. Or why Dolores is now Christina.
Legendary Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, publikcitizen said: Hide contents Just thinking about this is giving me a headache. If this is true, wouldn’t Stubbs have to look a lot older? Especially if more than 7 years have passed. Stubbs is a host.. haha. We found that out at the end of season 2
kyoshi Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 6 hours ago, PaloSanto said: Amazing episode Discount Dolores and Discount Hector had me screaming right, discount dolores/teddy/hector weren't giving what they were supposed to give ?
mystery Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 This is an excellent return to form for the show. Timelines in my opinion: Immediately after S3 Caleb/Maeve/Host William/Hale/Bernard/Stubbs Caleb and Maeve participate in the riots/war against the control of humans from AI. During this time they have at least one interaction with Host William. From the flashbacks we see them destroying a backup or some other version of Rehoboam at a lighthouse. Something happens with Caleb in this event that he forgot and Maeve is keeping from him. She has been having flashbacks to that specific moment where he is bleeding after the lighthouse several times. Bernard is in the Sublime and Stubbs is keeping him safe. 7 years after S3 Caleb/Maeve/Host William/Hale We know it has been 7 years since the riots/war at the end of S3 and Caleb's daughter is 7. William buys out the land and Hale starts the fly project, they assume control of the US government. Host William launches the Golden Age park in the land that he bought out. Some time after that Caleb and Maeve are targeted and begin their quest to find out what is happening. Hale's fly project is in full development and Caleb and Maeve find themselves in the Golden Age park. They see an early version of the sound machine that controls humans through the black goo planted by the flies. 23 years after S3 16 years after previous events Bernard/Stubbs/"C" (We know from the HBO Max tweet that was deleted and then the description changed that Bernard woke 23 years after entering the Sublime.) This places the events of Bernard and Stubbs 16 years after what Caleb and Maeve are experiencing. The apocalypse has happened and whatever Caleb and Maeve attempted has failed, leading to Host William and Hale controlling humanity with the flies. The group that Bernard and Stubbs encounter are the people living outside of the cities where the controlled humans live. There is a good chance that the mystery woman that Bernard and Stubbs meet with is Caleb's daughter Frankie grown up as the timeline would match and her identity is hidden behind the "C" credit in the episode credits. We also know Frankie and her mother escape capture. The weapon that they are trying to find is most likely located in the ruins of the Golden Age park that Caleb and Maeve visit 16 years before, as we see C's truck parked in the sandy ruins near the Temperance bar in the flashforward visions that Bernard sees in the Sublime. ? in the Far Future Fidelity William/Host Emily The flashforward from the post credits scene of S2 shows us a Fidelity version of William waking up in the ruins of Westworld and is met by Host Emily. ???? ???? ???? ???? Christina The only character that is very unclear in all of this is Christina. We know that this is set after Hale gains full control of humanity with her flies and has a full tower set up with a massive sound control device from it. Which is what homeless person hears and sees in New York. From the trailers we know that Hale appears in this Future New York and that Caleb appears in it as well after he is captured. Then again this could be right after the events of 7 years after 23 years after and Caleb was kept in stasis like the real William is. The weapon Bernard, Stubbs and C are looking for could be Caleb, a reconstruction of Dolores through Christina or William.
publikcitizen Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, mystery said: This is an excellent return to form for the show. Timelines in my opinion: Immediately after S3 Caleb/Maeve/Host William/Hale/Bernard/Stubbs Caleb and Maeve participate in the riots/war against the control of humans from AI. During this time they have at least one interaction with Host William. From the flashbacks we see them destroying a backup or some other version of Rehoboam at a lighthouse. Something happens with Caleb in this event that he forgot and Maeve is keeping from him. She has been having flashbacks to that specific moment where he is bleeding after the lighthouse several times. Bernard is in the Sublime and Stubbs is keeping him safe. 7 years after S3 Caleb/Maeve/Host William/Hale We know it has been 7 years since the riots/war at the end of S3 and Caleb's daughter is 7. William buys out the land and Hale starts the fly project, they assume control of the US government. Host William launches the Golden Age park in the land that he bought out. Some time after that Caleb and Maeve are targeted and begin their quest to find out what is happening. Hale's fly project is in full development and Caleb and Maeve find themselves in the Golden Age park. They see an early version of the sound machine that controls humans through the black goo planted by the flies. 23 years after S3 16 years after previous events Bernard/Stubbs/"C" (We know from the HBO Max tweet that was deleted and then the description changed that Bernard woke 23 years after entering the Sublime.) This places the events of Bernard and Stubbs 16 years after what Caleb and Maeve are experiencing. The apocalypse has happened and whatever Caleb and Maeve attempted has failed, leading to Host William and Hale controlling humanity with the flies. The group that Bernard and Stubbs encounter are the people living outside of the cities where the controlled humans live. There is a good chance that the mystery woman that Bernard and Stubbs meet with is Caleb's daughter Frankie grown up as the timeline would match and her identity is hidden behind the "C" credit in the episode credits. We also know Frankie and her mother escape capture. The weapon that they are trying to find is most likely located in the ruins of the Golden Age park that Caleb and Maeve visit 16 years before, as we see C's truck parked in the sandy ruins near the Temperance bar in the flashforward visions that Bernard sees in the Sublime. ? in the Far Future Fidelity William/Host Emily The flashforward from the post credits scene of S2 shows us a Fidelity version of William waking up in the ruins of Westworld and is met by Host Emily. ???? ???? ???? ???? Christina The only character that is very unclear in all of this is Christina. We know that this is set after Hale gains full control of humanity with her flies and has a full tower set up with a massive sound control device from it. Which is what homeless person hears and sees in New York. From the trailers we know that Hale appears in this Future New York and that Caleb appears in it as well after he is captured. Then again this could be right after the events of 7 years after 23 years after and Caleb was kept in stasis like the real William is. The weapon Bernard, Stubbs and C are looking for could be Caleb, a reconstruction of Dolores through Christina or William. this makes a lot of sense! i need to watch that post credit scene again because i don't remember it at all. christina is definitely the biggest unknown variable in all of this.
flower moon Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 wait so Christina is in the far future? in a world were people are controlled by the flies/sound control and people might be "waking up" like the hosts did in S1&2 realising they have no control of their actions?
mystery Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Timeline: 2021 - Arnold and Ford create the hosts, Logan invests in Delos 2024 - Dolores kills Arnold, Escalante is buried, Westworld is opened 2025 - Serac survives the thermonuclear incident in Paris 2028 - William and Logan visit Westworld, William witnesses Dolores going through the maze, after his experiences he convinces Delos to buy the park 2033 - Delos steps down from the company, Logan dies from overdose, Delos dies, fidelity is tested on the host/human hybrid of Delos 2037 - Serac starts working on what will become Rehoboam 2038 - Bernard is built, Serac buys some of the guest data from Westworld 2039 - Solomon is built by Serac 2042 - Caleb participates in military training in Park Five and encounters Dolores 2048 - Caleb suffers skull fracture in Crimea 2049 - Serac takes over completely, Caleb is sent to reconditioning after killing Francis, Caleb is labeled an outlier 2051 - William's wife kills herself after seeing his guest profile, Maeve is assigned to the Mariposa after the trauma of losing her daughter and seeing the maze 2052 - Events of Season One, Dolores goes through the maze for the final time, Maeve awakens, Bernard finds out he is a host, Ford is killed and the host rebellion starts in the park 2052 - Events of Season Two - Maeve and crew visit Shogunworld, Hale is killed, Dolores and Bernard enter the Forge and see all the guest data, most of the park hosts enter the Sublime while Maeve protects them, Bernard kills Dolores then revives her in host Hale, Emily is encountered then killed by William, Hale/Dolores kills Strand's extraction team and transmits the Sublime to a remote secure location, Dolores escapes Westworld as Hale with several host pearls, she recreates her body and frees Bernard 2053 - Events of Season Three - Dolores copies herself and puts the pearl into Hale, Halores is created, Dolores reveals Rehoboam controlling humanity to Caleb and they try to stop Rehoboam, Maeve is used by Serac as a pawn, William goes to therapy, all Incite/Rehoboam data is unveiled to the human population starting riots, Halores bonds with Hale's family and turns against Dolores when they die, Lawrence/Dolores gives Bernard the encryption key for the Sublime, trying to find the encryption key Rehoboam deletes original Dolores on Serac's instructions, Dolores manages to give control of Rehoboam to Caleb who instructs it to erase itself, Maeve protects Caleb, Bernard enters the Sublime with his body protected by Stubbs, William is captured by Halores and a host version is created 2053 - Maeve and Caleb participate in the "war", they destroy the rest of the Rehoboam backups, Caleb starts a family and Maeve goes into hiding 2060 - Events of Season Four - HostWilliam starts buying land including the Hoover Dam, Halores starts her fly/human control project, The Golden Age park is opened in the land HostWilliam bought, Caleb lives a normal life with his wife and daughter, Maeve saves Caleb and his family and they embark on a mission to save others, Caleb and Maeve uncover that most of the US government has been infected with the flies, Halores invites them to The Golden Age park, Caleb is captured and killed, Maeve buries herself, William and the park with explosives 2083 - Bernard awakens from the Sublime, Bernard and Stubbs encounter Frankie who is now leading a movement against Halores who has taken over the world, Maeve is dug up by Bernard and Frankie, Halores tests fidelity on host/human hybrid Caleb, Christina lives in Halores controlled New York and creates stories which impact humans infected by the flies, unaware that she is doing so, Christina is visited by Teddy Far Future - Fidelity host/human hybrid William is awakened in the ruins of Westworld by a host who looks like Emily Edited July 18, 2022 by mystery
kyoshi Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 "Generation Loss" is peak Westworld episode 4 was great! Spoiler I don't know how to feel about Teddy being there just to keep Dolores on loop like is he the real one or a copy made by halores?
Lovett Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 Holy SH*T this season is amazing! I'm hooked every second.
McNulty Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 Even though the season started slow but the last 2 episodes were amazing especially this week episode
publikcitizen Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 This season is just getting better and better. So happy the timeline was clarified in this episode.
publikcitizen Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 13 hours ago, mystery said: Reveal hidden contents Timeline: 2021 - Arnold and Ford create the hosts, Logan invests in Delos 2024 - Dolores kills Arnold, Escalante is buried, Westworld is opened 2025 - Serac survives the thermonuclear incident in Paris 2028 - William and Logan visit Westworld, William witnesses Dolores going through the maze, after his experiences he convinces Delos to buy the park 2033 - Delos steps down from the company, Logan dies from overdose, Delos dies, fidelity is tested on the host/human hybrid of Delos 2037 - Serac starts working on what will become Rehoboam 2038 - Bernard is built, Serac buys some of the guest data from Westworld 2039 - Solomon is built by Serac 2042 - Caleb participates in military training in Park Five and encounters Dolores 2048 - Caleb suffers skull fracture in Crimea 2049 - Serac takes over completely, Caleb is sent to reconditioning after killing Francis, Caleb is labeled an outlier 2051 - William's wife kills herself after seeing his guest profile, Maeve is assigned to the Mariposa after the trauma of losing her daughter and seeing the maze 2052 - Events of Season One, Dolores goes through the maze for the final time, Maeve awakens, Bernard finds out he is a host, Ford is killed and the host rebellion starts in the park 2052 - Events of Season Two - Maeve and crew visit Shogunworld, Hale is killed, Dolores and Bernard enter the Forge and see all the guest data, most of the park hosts enter the Sublime while Maeve protects them, Bernard kills Dolores then revives her in host Hale, Emily is encountered then killed by William, Hale/Dolores kills Strand's extraction team and transmits the Sublime to a remote secure location, Dolores escapes Westworld as Hale with several host pearls, she recreates her body and frees Bernard 2053 - Events of Season Three - Dolores copies herself and puts the pearl into Hale, Halores is created, Dolores reveals Rehoboam controlling humanity to Caleb and they try to stop Rehoboam, Maeve is used by Serac as a pawn, William goes to therapy, all Incite/Rehoboam data is unveiled to the human population starting riots, Halores bonds with Hale's family and turns against Dolores when they die, Lawrence/Dolores gives Bernard the encryption key for the Sublime, trying to find the encryption key Rehoboam deletes original Dolores on Serac's instructions, Dolores manages to give control of Rehoboam to Caleb who instructs it to erase itself, Maeve protects Caleb, Bernard enters the Sublime with his body protected by Stubbs, William is captured by Halores and a host version is created 2053 - Maeve and Caleb participate in the "war", they destroy the rest of the Rehoboam backups, Caleb starts a family and Maeve goes into hiding 2060 - Events of Season Four - HostWilliam starts buying land including the Hoover Dam, Halores starts her fly/human control project, The Golden Age park is opened in the land HostWilliam bought, Caleb lives a normal life with his wife and daughter, Maeve saves Caleb and his family and they embark on a mission to save others, Caleb and Maeve uncover that most of the US government has been infected with the flies, Halores invites them to The Golden Age park, Caleb is captured and killed, Maeve buries herself, William and the park with explosives 2083 - Bernard awakens from the Sublime, Bernard and Stubbs encounter Frankie who is now leading a movement against Halores who has taken over the world, Maeve is dug up by Bernard and Frankie, Halores tests fidelity on host/human hybrid Caleb, Christina lives in Halores controlled New York and creates stories which impact humans infected by the flies, unaware that she is doing so, Christina is visited by Teddy Far Future - Fidelity host/human hybrid William is awakened in the ruins of Westworld by a host who looks like Emily Thank you! Very helpful
flower moon Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 the way every episode is better than the last I usually dislike Hale but she was kinda slaying at the end there. the interaction of teddy and christina was kinda sweet..i miss teddy a bit. Fidelity Caleb kinda had me shook. I was not expecting that rn.
publikcitizen Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 7 hours ago, flower moon said: Fidelity Caleb kinda had me shook. I was not expecting that rn. I don't understand what a fidelity is?
Legendary Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, publikcitizen said: I don't understand what a fidelity is? The fidelity tests are done to human/host hybrids to test how accurately they represent their original human counterparts. Essentially to see how identical they can copy human minds into hosts. William shut down the test/program in season 2 because the test kept failing on James Delos, he couldn't get past the point of learning that he is a host and would always glitch/malfunction/go insane once he found out. So I'm assuming Hale has finally perfected the process of carbon copying a human on Caleb!
publikcitizen Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Legendary said: The fidelity tests are done to human/host hybrids to test how accurately they represent their original human counterparts. Essentially to see how identical they can copy human minds into hosts. William shut down the test/program in season 2 because the test kept failing on James Delos, he couldn't get past the point of learning that he is a host and would always glitch/malfunction/go insane once he found out. So I'm assuming Hale has finally perfected the process of carbon copying a human on Caleb! This is so lowkey creepy. So it's not really Caleb, but a clone?
Legendary Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, publikcitizen said: This is so lowkey creepy. So it's not really Caleb, but a clone? Well he's essentially a perfect copy of his human mind, but in a host body. Remember James Delos's whole mission with this was to achieve immortality. So it does go back to the question of "if you can't tell the difference, does it matter?", like what really makes Caleb, Caleb? His mind or his body?
publikcitizen Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, Legendary said: Well he's essentially a perfect copy of his human mind, but in a host body. Remember James Delos's whole mission with this was to achieve immortality. So it does go back to the question of "if you can't tell the difference, does it matter?", like what really makes Caleb, Caleb? His mind or his body? Gotcha, it's been awhile so I will have to watch that part again.
Repelex Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 Can I start watching season 4 skipping season 3? Asking for a friend of mine
flower moon Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Repelex said: Can I start watching season 4 skipping season 3? Asking for a friend of mine Not really.. unless you watch some youtube video explaining all of s3 first. 14 hours ago, publikcitizen said: I don't understand what a fidelity is? I know it was explained already but fidelity means faithfulness. So they are testing how faithful or true a copy/host is to the original
Nazareth Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 When the heck is Maeve going to die! The robots winning is pissing me off
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