azii Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, chris1991 said: Kevin is fumbling the bag. I wonder if Covid played a large part in the unpolished films from this phase. They just don't have a clear vision and its showing more and more I applaud them for taking risks this phase but they really need to focus more on having good scripts and a clear/contained direction.
chris1991 Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 25 minutes ago, azii said: They just don't have a clear vision and its showing more and more I applaud them for taking risks this phase but they really need to focus more on having good scripts and a clear/contained direction. I wonder what exactly was reshot? It literally went through like 3-4 rounds of reshoots and it still turned of unpolished.
azii Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 31 minutes ago, chris1991 said: I wonder what exactly was reshot? It literally went through like 3-4 rounds of reshoots and it still turned of unpolished. Olsen said she was not part of the reshoots. I read somewhere that the reshoots were mostly for Strange and it was probably to try and give him a better arc. The last act was not even in the script while they were shooting: https://www.gamesradar.com/doctor-strange-2-ending-up-in-the-air-benedict-cumberbatch/
Bethenny Frankel Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 The only thing this film was missing was a real fight between Wanda and Dr. Strange
Johnny Cash Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 11 hours ago, publikcitizen said: I wonder if this movie would've been better if Scott Derrickson stayed on. Of course not. Why do you think he left? They must have paid Raimi a lot of money because his name was the only reason people were optimistic about this after all the news of reshoots and production problems.
tigalion Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 15 hours ago, Pink Ranger said: You see her reading the dark hold at the end of Wandavision tho with the dark hold making her hear her kids asking for help so it made sense to me tbh. True. But this scene feels disconected somehow. Why would happy twins cry for help to another Wanda when their mother is alive and well on their planet? Also that's lazy character building. She's full on evil after just one end credit scene. It doesn't bother me though. I was ready for the Scarlet Witch on the big screen for years.
Hephaestus Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, tigalion said: Why would happy twins cry for help to another Wanda when their mother is alive and well on their planet? I think it was a way to show the Darkhold luring Wanda into using it to corrupt her
Cheers Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 Why is no one talking about the scene of Professor X entering Wanda’s mind looking like damn Steve Jobs “Oh if only I, a feeble old man could pull this woman from under these rocks ?”
Chiidish Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 On 5/9/2022 at 12:49 AM, azii said: Strange's arc is so bad They should have focused on his sister rather than his relationship with Christine. They let something major be something so casual in the film. His sister's death really explains so much about him and his coldness. It would also connect him with Wanda since they both reacted to grief in different ways but still need to accept reality and move on. While with America, saving her would help him maybe forgive his mistake with his sister. The script lacked so much sophistication in this sense This would have slayed
iconicyayo Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 ive never seen John Krasinsky in anything before but he seemed kinda goofy as reed richards tbh. he gives me star lord vibes almost. idk how to explain but he has that really typical dad-humour goofy-smart vibe that so many of the male leads get in the MCU and it really doesn’t fit with the mr fantastic I have in my head from the comics tbh though reed was never too exciting or stand-out of a personality anyway. i just don’t like how so many of the male team-leads seem to share this archetypal personality overall i agree with some of the criticisms of the movie. it needed to be longer. but i thoroughly enjoyed seeing wanda murdering everyone throughout the movie and im probs going to see it again after my exams
tigalion Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Hephaestus said: I think it was a way to show the Darkhold luring Wanda into using it to corrupt her Good point though still a weak one on a visual medium since we have to guess that after 2h movie
ATRL Moderator Ampersand13 Posted May 10, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 10, 2022 I'm fairly certain the diner shop scene was a part of the re-shoots because it subtly addressed Spider Man and this film was originally slated to premiere before NWH right? Could be wrong but that was my impression. I also feel like the opening was probably re-shot because WHEW lord was that messy
Hephaestus Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, tigalion said: Good point though still a weak one on a visual medium since we have to guess that after 2h movie I blame it on the movie being cut to 2 hours. Of all Phase 4 movies, this should've been the last one to get a shorter runtime. 10/15 more minutes would've made a big difference for some parts of the story.
azii Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 8 hours ago, Chiidish said: This would have slayed It's still crazy to me that Strange's most treasured memory is a dinner with Christen and not something with his deceased sister They even could have played with Strange understanding Wanda and wanting a reality where his sister is still alive.
DONTYELLATME Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, azii said: It's still crazy to me that Strange's most treasured memory is a dinner with Christen and not something with his deceased sister They even could have played with Strange understanding Wanda and wanting a reality where his sister is still alive. Seriously the writers need to watch the required material because they can’t be making drastic changes to character and motive every movie. It’s shocking that Sam didn’t even watch Wandavision like Edited May 10, 2022 by DONTYELLATME
John Slayne Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 the movie was... fine overall. my first marvel movie since endgame (not counting wandavision) so i was excited but confused at parts. wanda totally carried the entire film, both with good fighting scenes (especially the illuminati) and character arc. i haven's seen the first strange film so i don't know if he's always been like that but in this one he was so insufferable - glad he got his ass beat by wanda because he needed to be humbled. i couldn't care less for his failed romance with regina george, like, get over it dude she's married. i also hated the scene where america stole pizza from a guy on the street and then strange beat him up and it was played as a joke like who finds that funny... perched to see charlize theron (finally!!!) joining the mcu
Souvenir Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 i just want to re watch some scenes but i have no links :(
nathanspears Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, DONTYELLATME said: Seriously the writers need to watch the required material because they can’t be making drastic changes to character and motive every movie. It’s shocking that Sam didn’t even watch Wandavision like Wasn't Wandavision not even released when the film was being shot?... I'm sure Elizabeth said she literally went from finishing Wandavision straight to this
nathanspears Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, azii said: Olsen said she was not part of the reshoots. I read somewhere that the reshoots were mostly for Strange and it was probably to try and give him a better arc. I can definitely believe this. I swear it was the beginning. It felt so different from the rest of the film, it was really weird pacing. It was as though they were trying to shoe horn him in to the story somehow. They really should have just made this a Wanda solo film. Edited May 10, 2022 by nathanspears
SinnerCity Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 Ya'' have made some valid points. Stephen being so obsessed with Christine didn't really make sense, especially not after discussing the tragic event of her sister's passing. It would've been mind-blowing for Wanda to use that to pursue Stephen to help her navigate the multiverse for a reality where she was still alive. As far we know, her passing wasn't a nexus event so it could've been avoidable, also, it would've made perfect sense to make Wanda a nexus being, hence why she is desperately looking for her kids SOMEWHERE instead of trying to steal them from her variant. She is literally the Scarlet Witch that was living inside another hex she created and you mean to tell me that she simply just couldn't create a tiny town full of people with her children and vision in it? She had the darkhold now and she if was able to do it before becoming the Scarlet Witch she could've done it again. The more I reflect on the story, the more plot holes I find. Don't get me wrong, I loved Wanda's journey and the bad ***** she was in the film but it definitely left a lot of questions, especially with Wanda and chaos magic, Agatha literally she said she is capable of create and altered reality as she pleases, she could've easily created her children again.
azii Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 I really hope they don't ignore 838 moving forward. Wanda literally killed five major figures in that universe. People must be mad and want revenge. This is how we might get Avengers vs X-Men
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, azii said: I really hope they don't ignore 838 moving forward. Wanda literally killed five major figures in that universe. People must be mad and want revenge. This is how we might get Avengers vs X-Men End credits should have been Cyclops and Wolverine finding Professor X dead, as they assemble the 838 X-Men in the 90’s Cartoon uniforms. Edited May 11, 2022 by Gorjesspazze9
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 Wanda can’t recreate her kids. The same reason she couldn’t re-create vision again. They had to be from an alternate universe. That’s the whole point of Wandavision and her story. She can’t process grief without causing harmful consequences to those around her. Also we wouldn’t have a plot or conflict if she just redid what she did in Wandavision and it would have made her character arc even worse if there wasn’t a device like the darkhold to justify her actions. If she just snapped her fingers and they were real, there would be no point to the movie. The whole theme of the film is even with all the magic power in the universe, “Wanda and Strange can’t control everything” Or “be the one Holding the Knife”.
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