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[Communion]

5 minutes ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said:

The cuts only get worse under republicans so idk what your point there is.

You understand. You would have to be lying to yourself to not understand. 

 

If you can understand why people would be motivated to vote over how Trump has harmed them, it's very easy to understand why people would simply not be motivated to vote at all when both Biden and Trump have harmed them *in the same way*.

 

Biden's admin allowed red stated and purple states to kick millions of poor adults off of Medicaid by allowing the expanded coverage rules during COVID end. If you had Medicaid during COVID but experienced losing it under Biden, why would you be motivated to vote for more of a bad thing you experienced?

 

This is why the "lesser evil" argument isn't compelling. 

 

Why would someone go out and vote for someone who says they want to kill most of their cousins vs someone who says they will kill all of their cousins?

 

You're supposed to be promoting what you think are GOOD policies Harris has. You're conceding she has none if you can only argue she is less bad than Trump. 

[DR0GO]

1 hour ago, Bears01 said:

The EV vote data out of PA and MI looks, at absolute worst, decent for Democrats. At best: really solid. 
 

Compared to the data coming out of GA and NV 

 

Everytime my gut switches and says "trumps gonna win" I see the data out of PA and change my mind 

The PA and MI data has calmed my nerves a bit.

 

I'm not too shocked about NV, some members on here have been ringing alarms about NV for months so I'm not really shocked tbh. 

 

What's the GA vote data showing? I haven't dived through that just yet.

 

Anything on NC yet?

[Lil Mistee]

26 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Literally if she wins there won't be a primary until 2032. Were you asleep for all of this year where a fair primary with debates and balanced media coverage was literally just not allowed to happen at all? Joe Biden locked down the nomination process the entire way and only backed out once it was too late for anyone other than the running mate he chose specifically to be unpopular cannon fodder that wouldn't be able to overshadow him as a bright and popular rising star overflowing with charisma.

 

Kamala was chosen to be the sacrificial VP that would be guaranteed to win the nomination and lose the general election in 2028 once Biden's two terms were over. 
 

Not only that, but her winning will also send the message to the Democrats that genocide is not a red line, is perfectly fine to continue, and there will be no need to move left on it at all. There IS no pushing her left on this issue! If you want to vote for the other issues, great! Do that! But stop gaslighting yourself into the hope that Democrats are anything more than a pro-genocide party of Israel sycophants.

I agree with you a lot tbh, but I do think dems are moveable on issues. It just takes *checks watch* like 20 years! I think the issue I have with other users you tend to agree with is that they can't separate the Democratic Party from the people who vote for them. And then their post come off as unserious to me. 
 

The do nothing Dems are a terrible party who have made so many mistakes since Clinton and are too timid to do anything ever. They feed us crumbs and expect us to be like YAY! Luv u bestie mwah! Like when gay marriage got legalized they expect people to forgive them for everything else. Please… 

 

I just hold hope based off history that Dems ARE moveable and are so timid that they bend when things get bad… it just has to get bad for them to do it. I wish the student protest lasted longer but what can you do. I guess it'll take a sniper shooting the students for dems to wake up hehe! 
 

anyways hate on the politicians and dems all you want I'll tend to agree but when users (not you, just saying) go after people who vote it's gross. I have even said I respect communion and zero's votes cuz that's what matters to them the most. But then they'll go after us for voting how we want to vote and say we're pro genocide like oh **** off lol. 

[CamCam]

2 hours ago, Sannie said:

And you don't care about immigrant, trans, female, or black lives in the US? Do ya'll seriously not understand this logic goes both ways? The liberals in here have said time and time again that we don't agree with what Biden has done with Israel and we find the genocide atrocious, but we are also fighting for our own lives and the lives of the people we love. Zero of you virtue signaling leftists would take a bullet or die for Palestine. None of you would. ZERO. If it ever came down to choosing you and the people you love or Palestinians, you'd choose yourselves every single time. And you'd be right to do so. Stop pretending otherwise for likes online.

 

YOU GUYS are the ones ignoring the suffering in the US because it's all a game to you. If it's not "Palestine only" then it's nothing and people are genocide supporters. There is no concept of nuance on your side. None.

 

I'll make it clear, again, for the people in the back: my terminally ill mother who relies on the Affordable Care Act and my trans best friend who relies on not having a Republican trifecta who will criminalize their existence are the two things I value most. If that is an issue for you, you can write it down on a little piece of paper, fold it up, and place it between your cheeks. 

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU for this entire point. The Palestinian people deserve to have a spotlight of their own for what they're going through. But the issue that so many people pushing this one issue don't understand is, if the one wrong person ends up in the White House, then how can any American that's a minority (like myself) prioritize what's going on in Gaza/Palestine when our own rights are at stake? That's not to pin struggle against struggle, but let's be realistic here. We've got to solidify things at home before we start putting our full effort into what's going on overseas. And besides, as much flack many on the far left give Kamala on the issue, whether deserved or not, Trump wouldn't even pay Palestine dust under another term. Let's not cut our noses to spite our faces. This year's election is not one to play around with.

Edited October 21 by CamCam

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

Honestly, idk how you're allowed to post here when you say stuff like "Don't worry guys. I think if she shoots an undocumented immigrant on tv she can win the moderate independents"

"I don't like the logical end result of my ideas spat back at me."

 

We were told going harsh on immigration would shoot Harris to an easy lead. That lead is not manifesting. I'm sorry if you feel bad for the people whose bad ideas are now being mocked. 

[CoolNebraskaGuy]

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

You understand. You would have to be lying to yourself to not understand. 

 

If you can understand why people would be motivated to vote over how Trump has harmed them, it's very easy to understand why people would simply not be motivated to vote at all when both Biden and Trump have harmed them *in the same way*.

 

Biden's admin allowed red stated and purple states to kick millions of poor adults off of Medicaid by allowing the expanded coverage rules during COVID end. If you had Medicaid during COVID but experienced losing it under Biden, why would you be motivated to vote for more of a bad thing you experienced?

 

This is why the "lesser evil" argument isn't compelling. 

 

Why would someone go out and vote for someone who says they want to kill most of their cousins vs someone who says they will kill all of their cousins?

 

You're supposed to be promoting what you think are GOOD policies Harris has. You're conceding she has none if you can only argue she is less bad than Trump. 

And here I was thinking you wanted to have some sort of discussion

 

I'm not an enthusiastic voter so if you think I'm going to jump on a stump for Kamala you're sorely mistaken. She is the path that has the greatest chance of avoiding absolute catastrophe in our lifetime. I don't think she is a strong candidate or a person that seems to harbor strong beliefs in much of anything but she's still the best candidate who has a reasonable chance of winning.

 

I'm pretty far left but some of y'all want the plane to crash just so you can tell everyone "i toLd yOu SoOoo!1!! "

 

You aren't even able to respond to any of my questions about the crap you bring up, so you're just wasting my time 

[Vermillion]

Voting to many extents is about self-preservation. 

 

The timing of this democracy precipice with Trump lining up almost exactly with this genocide is causing the inherent friction.

 

The Chappel Roan dumpster fire exemplifies it.

 

Progressive resentment over liberals fine with sticking with the status quo on Israeli support and Israeli's word on tasteful collateral thresholds with our bombs killing tens of thousands of women and children as long as the U.S. doesn't turn to fascism (?) clashing with liberal resentment over progressives not settling for this paradigm that's lasted decades (exemplified by Biden's quotes in the 80's as seeing Israel as an inherent vassal state of the U.S. that we'd have to create for more influence if it didn't already exist).

 

Liberals saw Chappel Roan as not supposed to be positioning Palestinian death over say, the ending of Obergefell because of her fandom, and, resenting being taken out of their comfort zone and lacking any subtlety or humility, broad-swathed every Arab-American as inherently homophobic after the actions of say  Hamtramck, Michigan, ignoring or whitewashing any past Israeli bigotry in the process.

 

There's people that are willing to accept the blind Israeli ally paradigm in the U.S. as some intangible cost of doing business and then there are those that are tired of that paradigm being shown to be a sham with no changes as a result.

 

So we're left where we are now.

[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, Lil Mistee said:

I agree with you a lot tbh, but I do think dems are moveable on issues. It just takes *checks watch* like 20 years! I think the issue I have with other users you tend to agree with is that they can't separate the Democratic Party from the people who vote for them. And then their post come off as unserious to me. 
 

The do nothing Dems are a terrible party who have made so many mistakes since Clinton and are too timid to do anything ever. They feed us crumbs and expect us to be like YAY! Luv u bestie mwah! Like when gay marriage got legalized they expect people to forgive them for everything else. Please… 

 

I just hold hope based off history that Dems ARE moveable and are so timid that they bend when things get bad… it just has to get bad for them to do it. I wish the student protest lasted longer but what can you do. I guess it'll take a sniper shooting the students for dems to wake up hehe! 
 

anyways hate on the politicians and dems all you want I'll tend to agree but when users (not you, just saying) go after people who vote it's gross. I have even said I respect communion and zero's votes cuz that's what matters to them the most. But then they'll go after us for voting how we want to vote and say we're pro genocide like oh **** off lol. 

I will say, there are only a handful of users on here that actually do come across as pro-genocide. I don't have that impression of you tbf either. The only ones that come to mind right now are a certain someone that has changed their name after a ZTP ban in order to hide, Kassi who is permabanned, and the one user who is infamous for comparing Beyonce to an ape.

 

For the most part, I just find the notion that Dems can be moved left just… naïve. It has never actually worked. Like you sorta implied, it'd take 20 years for them to respond to it, but by then they'll have lost a cycle to the Republicans and immediately ratchet their policy stances to the right.

[dabunique]

This phuckin hooka bein a radiologist and not an OBGYN spewin all this mierda smh

 

look at this unhinged b!tch lose it when Legend clocks her left and right. 
 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

2 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

Voting to many extents is about self-preservation. 

 

The timing of this democracy precipice with Trump lining up almost exactly with this genocide is causing the inherent friction.

 

The Chappel Roan dumpster fire exemplifies it.

 

Progressive resentment over liberals fine with sticking with the status quo on Israeli support and Israeli's word on tasteful collateral thresholds with our bombs killing tens of thousands of women and children as long as the U.S. doesn't turn to fascism (?) clashing with liberal resentment over progressives not settling for this paradigm that's lasted decades (exemplified by Biden's quotes in the 80's as seeing Israel as an inherent vassal state of the U.S. that we'd have to create for more influence if it didn't already exist).

 

Liberals saw Chappel Roan as not supposed to be positioning Palestinian death over say, the ending of Obergefell because of her fandom, and, resenting being taken out of their comfort zone and lacking any subtlety or humility, broad-swathed every Arab-American as inherently homophobic after the actions of say  Hamtramck, Michigan, ignoring or whitewashing any past Israeli bigotry in the process.

 

There's people that are willing to accept the blind Israeli ally paradigm in the U.S. as some intangible cost of doing business and then there are those that are tired of that paradigm being shown to be a sham with no changes as a result.

 

So we're left where we are now.

I mean, I still hold the position that this election is irrelevant to whether or not Obergefell survives or falls. They already have the votes to overturn it. They just need the appropriate case to do so: same goes for Loving and Lawrence and plenty of others.

[noodlelymph]

19 minutes ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said:

I'm a medical student so yes thank you for bringing up how healthcare workers get hosed by the bipartisan system. The cuts only get worse under republicans so idk what your point there is. Let's not even get into my mid six figure student loans. I'm sure trump will be super chill about loan forgiveness and increasing Medicare/medicaid funding 

What about my obgyn friends who stand to lose their license or even become incarcerated for providing medically appropriate care? Who do you think they're voting for
 

You still haven't addressed everything the average American stands to lose if trump wins. Or what happens to Palestine under a trump admin. Can we get a response to those questions?

The problem is y'all are further enabling this rightward trend of the Dem party on a host of issues by pledging your vote to them every election and saying "damn the two party system sucks, but it's all we've got, maybe next time we'll do the third party." And now we've got Medicare privatization and more genocide on the docket… in the short term, yes things will get bad but there NEEDS to be a major shift in the mentality of the Dem electorate NOW that focuses on pulling their party back left to ensure a long term progressive agenda. And no, saying youll do it after you already gave Harris the keys to the Oval Office isn't it. You can't enable rightwing dem policy and then act shocked when the GOP continues to win anyway! 
 

[Lil Mistee]

5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I will say, there are only a handful of users on here that actually do come across as pro-genocide. I don't have that impression of you tbf either. The only ones that come to mind right now are a certain someone that has changed their name after a ZTP ban in order to hide, Kassi who is permabanned, and the one user who is infamous for comparing Beyonce to an ape.

 

For the most part, I just find the notion that Dems can be moved left just… naïve. It has never actually worked. Like you sorta implied, it'd take 20 years for them to respond to it, but by then they'll have lost a cycle to the Republicans and immediately ratchet their policy stances to the right.

Mess that list made me giggle. I need to meet this kassi person she's so infamous

[State of Grace.]

2 hours ago, noodlelymph said:

A lot of you need to just come out and say openly what you feel: you do NOT care about the genocide enough and you do NOT value Palestinian lives. Your defense of Harris for the pathetic excuse of winning an election is the proof of this. At least trump supporters and the GOP are openly honest about how much they don't care 

They hate when you tell them the truth here. There are some rational users who are voting for Kamala with their heads in the sand, and I totally understand that. Many are voting to protect their civil rights and that's fair. But the majority here do not give a damn about the genocide. This is why I honestly prefer those who blatantly say that they don't give a **** about Palestine and they will be voting blue no matter who.

 

The fact that someone here even called a Palestinian member the r slur because they did not vote for Kamala, and they constantly jump him when she literally claimed that Palestinian lives are not as valuable as Israelis, lol. This thread/section are so rotten.

Edited October 21 by State of Grace.

[Relampago.]

1 hour ago, FameFatale said:

I have a lot of coworkers like this. They're republicans but don't care for Trump at all any more and won't dare vote for a democrat. 

This is my mom. Never voted for a Democrat in her life, but hasn't voted for Trump (or politicians like him) since 2016 and doesn't plan to this year either. Hopefully that's the case for more people.

[Lil Mistee]

7 minutes ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said:

And here I was thinking you wanted to have some sort of discussion

 

I'm not an enthusiastic voter so if you think I'm going to jump on a stump for Kamala you're sorely mistaken. She is the path that has the greatest chance of avoiding absolute catastrophe in our lifetime. I don't think she is a strong candidate or a person that seems to harbor strong beliefs in much of anything but she's still the best candidate who has a reasonable chance of winning.

 

I'm pretty far left but some of y'all want the plane to crash just so you can tell everyone "i toLd yOu SoOoo!1!! "

 

You aren't even able to respond to any of my questions about the crap you bring up, so you're just wasting my time 

These people will call you a neo lib lol, they're the trolls of the progressive party who made the progressives seem unserious (I say as someone who identifies as a progressive). 

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

Mess that list made me giggle. I need to meet this kassi person she's so infamous

Kassi was... something for sure 

 

I can't say their exit was particularly graceful but I think of them basically every time I see a pic of Nancy Pelosi

 

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Like... this image IS seared into my mind 

 

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Just double checking that you aren't actually Kassi 

 

 

 

Edited October 21 by wastedpotential

[Blade]

The Washington Post polls (highly rated) did nothing to Silver's model

 

@shelven @Tovitov it makes sense when you have AtlasIntel weighted highly (x1.2) but these new WP polls at x0.7  

[Lil Mistee]

4 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Kassi was... something for sure 

 

I can't say their exit was particularly graceful but I think of them basically every time I see a pic of Nancy Pelosi

 

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Like... this image IS seared into my mind 

 

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Just double checking that you aren't actually Kassi 

 

 

 

 That picture 

[Blade]

7 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

This is my mom. Never voted for a Democrat in her life, but hasn't voted for Trump (or politicians like him) since 2016 and doesn't plan to this year either. Hopefully that's the case for more people.

I keep seeing all these "voted for trump in 2016 but not in 2024" anecdotes, that's great and all but we really need evidence of his 2020 support collapsing not 2016  

[Vermillion]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

5 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Kassi was... something for sure 

 

I can't say their exit was particularly graceful but I think of them basically every time I see a pic of Nancy Pelosi

 

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Like... this image IS seared into my mind 

 

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Just double checking that you aren't actually Kassi 

 

 

 

I mean… listen. Nobody told Miss Kassandra to go full Asmongold…

[Tovitov]

3 minutes ago, Blade said:

The Washington Post polls (highly rated) did nothing to Silver's model

 

@shelven @Tovitov it makes sense when you have AtlasIntel weighted highly (x1.2) but these new WP polls at x0.7  

We need a sad reaction like Gagadaily cause thats all I feel 

[Lil Mistee]

I'm an anti pelosi person she's an insider trading rat. But her recent Joe Biden comments do make me giggle, love her a tad! 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I mean… listen. Nobody told Miss Kassandra to go full Asmongold…

She should've just sat there and ate her food 

[Lil Mistee]

3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I mean… listen. Nobody told Miss Kassandra to go full Asmongold…

She didn't clean her room and eats cockroaches ?