Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 9 minutes ago, Communion said: If you want to vote for Harris in spite of these failures because you believe she will be better than Trump for issues that matter to you, that's totally vapid. For the record, this is supposed to say "valid". I also just accidentally reported my own post with my fat ass fingers trying to click edit.
on the line Posted October 21 Posted October 21 46 minutes ago, superglowy said: Sure Blade, no problem examining all sides of the cube with you. Let's say Republicans win, do you think that stops the American aiding of the Genocide or does it ramp it up? I wish Harris was more of a champion of Palestine and ending the Genocide, my hope is once in office, she tries to figure out a way to backdoor end it. And if not, Primary her ass first chance you guys get. I see your guys view, and I truly believe most are from a passionate and empathetic place, but I don't see how making Americans suffer helps Palestine when it's been shown in the past that losses don't cause the Democrat party to recalibrate or evolve. You're spot on, but too many posters have online egos so will never admit it. Keep doing you. 1
Lil Mistee Posted October 21 Posted October 21 11 minutes ago, Communion said: I mean, it's the logical conversation that's going to keep happening any time a user punches left. Don't criticize non-voters. Don't criticize 3rd party voters. Don't criticize those demanding more of Harris from the left. This conversation will continually happen as long as any of the above happens. You cannot vote for genocide and demand moral authority. The vast majority of people don't even belittle those who are voting for Harris. It's when yall get brave and have to be reminded of who you're voting for when trying to project onto others. If you want to vote for Harris in spite of these failures because you believe she will be better than Trump for issues that matter to you, that's totally valid. But do so while knowing you're in a compromised position and thus cannot judge anyone else's vote. I don't know why this is so hard to grasp. If you want people to think you're just COMPRISING and voting for Harris as a lesser evil, acknowledge you're thus COMPROMISED and thus have no moral authority to cast any stones or judgments elsewhere. I'll criticize whoever I want to criticize. Esp when you want to say anything anyone says that isn't some Briahna Joy level dumbassery is becuz we hate Muslims, love genocide, etc. you're ridiculous 💀 2 2
on the line Posted October 21 Posted October 21 36 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_UDtQFgnEw/?igsh=MWN4ejN4cnZ0cDQ3eQ== imagine claiming you care about all the things you said and then saying that to do so you have to support a genocide. Complete hypocrisy Sorry, but the 2024 US presidential election is not an election or referendum on genocide no matter how many times you scream about it or throw tantrums, and that's just the reality of it, and you just have to deal with it. 1 2
ClashAndBurn Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 51 minutes ago, superglowy said: Sure Blade, no problem examining all sides of the cube with you. Let's say Republicans win, do you think that stops the American aiding of the Genocide or does it ramp it up? I wish Harris was more of a champion of Palestine and ending the Genocide, my hope is once in office, she tries to figure out a way to backdoor end it. And if not, Primary her ass first chance you guys get. I see your guys view, and I truly believe most are from a passionate and empathetic place, but I don't see how making Americans suffer helps Palestine when it's been shown in the past that losses don't cause the Democrat party to recalibrate or evolve. Literally if she wins there won't be a primary until 2032. Were you asleep for all of this year where a fair primary with debates and balanced media coverage was literally just not allowed to happen at all? Joe Biden locked down the nomination process the entire way and only backed out once it was too late for anyone other than the running mate he chose specifically to be unpopular cannon fodder that wouldn't be able to overshadow him as a bright and popular rising star overflowing with charisma. Kamala was chosen to be the sacrificial VP that would be guaranteed to win the nomination and lose the general election in 2028 once Biden's two terms were over. Not only that, but her winning will also send the message to the Democrats that genocide is not a red line, is perfectly fine to continue, and there will be no need to move left on it at all. There IS no pushing her left on this issue! If you want to vote for the other issues, great! Do that! But stop gaslighting yourself into the hope that Democrats are anything more than a pro-genocide party of Israel sycophants. Edited October 21 by ClashAndBurn 2 1
Blade Posted October 21 Posted October 21 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Why isn't there more passionate criticism here of non-voters more than those voting third party over Gaza? Is Communion saying that outright? Those orgs that are don't necessarily speak for all those third partiers on this issue. Nor does Jill Stein who's managed to convince many Arab-Americans she cares even though I don't think she does and it's all window dressing (and I'm not absolving Kamala either as being any better obviously). No Communion didn't say that.
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 1 minute ago, Lil Mistee said: I'll criticize whoever I want to criticize I mean, you're literally upset because of this same statement from progressives. As long as Harris endorses the slaughter of Palestinians, people will criticize her. You're going to keep hearing about it until she stops. Why would people be moved to be more sensitive and timely in their criticisms of her if you yourself don't even agree that it's needless to be so harshly critical of one another, in both directions? 1 1
FameFatale Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Finally watching Walz on The View and he's doing really good. 1
Lil Mistee Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Just now, Communion said: I mean, you're literally upset because of this same statement from progressives. As long as Harris endorses the slaughter of Palestinians, people will criticize her. You're going to keep hearing about it until she stops. Why would people be moved to be more sensitive and timely in their criticisms of her if you yourself don't even agree that it's needless to be so harshly critical of one another, in both directions? I'm not upset sorry!
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Yall still letting Communion bait you It's not bait when the political commentary comes true. That's just called being right. Maybe she should hold a seance and have Reagan campaign in Nevada. Edited October 21 by Communion 1
wastedpotential Posted October 21 Posted October 21 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Well, yes. I expect in any scenario that Europe tries to leverage sanctions on Israel, Trump would rally a bipartisan majority of Congress to begin proceedings to abandon NATO and start threatening the EU with nukes or something. I'd imagine fealty to Israel to be THE red line that Republicans and Democrats can come together on, apart from general warmongering and their shared desire to slaughter Muslims that is. Given that Trump is basically saying he's going to (at least threaten to) dump the Ukraine problem in their lap and probably cut most of the sanctions on Russia if they don't toe his line, I wouldn't be surprised if relations come to a head with most of the neoliberal EU governments. There are a million potential ramifications of a second Trump term on US-EU relations, and I think all of them bode well for the pro-Israel factions of the European far right (I say it takes Meloni... two weeks to walk back her pro-Lebanon lip service if Trump wins, for example). 3
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 3 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: I'm not upset sorry! I mean, I wouldn't be either, sis. You know it's the progressive girlies who bring the kiis. Even the haters keep reading. I may make you fall into early cardiac arrest from stress with my certainty she loses Arizona but I'll always get a giggle as well.
wastedpotential Posted October 21 Posted October 21 8 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Not only that, but her winning will also send the message to the Democrats that genocide is not a red line, is perfectly fine to continue, and there will be no need to move left on it at all. There IS no pushing her left on this issue! If you want to vote for the other issues, great! Do that! But stop gaslighting yourself into the hope that Democrats are anything more than a pro-genocide party of Israel sycophants. I mean... I don't think there were ever that many Democrats who saw genocide as a red line, and half of them got primaried by AIPAC this cycle 2
superglowy Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Literally if she wins there won't be a primary until 2032. Were you asleep for all of this year where a fair primary with debates and balanced media coverage was literally just not allowed to happen at all? Joe Biden locked down the nomination process the entire way and only backed out once it was too late for anyone other than the running mate he chose specifically to be unpopular cannon fodder that wouldn't be able to overshadow him as a bright and popular rising star overflowing with charisma. Kamala was chosen to be the sacrificial VP that would be guaranteed to win the nomination and lose the general election in 2028 once Biden's two terms were over. Or in other words, the progressive wing of the Dems doesn't have enough public support or are engrained enough in the public voting conscious to consolidate a strong enough voter base to be a serious prospect. So why would you sink the boat you're on to see if the other one floats. Biden was the INCUMBENT. You all know the answers to these stupid questions you ask. You. Know. Why. And if Bernie was the incumbent and some one tried to challenge his second term run by trying to win the nomination you all would have kicked up hell. Kamala is the nominee because she was VP and Biden dropped out three months before the election. Dems were suppose to campaign, vote, transfer Bidens war chest over and run a campaign for a new candidate in THREE months and think they could win? Edited October 21 by superglowy 2
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Me collecting my downvotes from @Teezy any time I breathe or post. 1 9
ATRL Moderator wehavetostan Posted October 21 ATRL Moderator Posted October 21 Please be mindful in posting links bc if you post an instagram reel your personal account will show up for anyone who clicks the click 3
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said: Imagine being/having friends or loved ones that are women, people of color, or members of the LGBTQIA+, uninsured, on social security, and/or struggling with student loans Yall are just doing madlibs at this point. You cant convince people right wing candidates are progressive as long as they are right wing. Your job was supposed to get them to be progressive before election day if you think you need progressives' voters. You're failing. Like it's one thing if Harris wanted progressive votes. She doesn't! She is literally running an anti-progressive campaign. Go yell at someone else! Edited October 21 by Communion 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted October 21 Posted October 21 6 minutes ago, superglowy said: Or in other words, the progressive wing of the Dems doesn't have enough public support or are engrained enough in the public voting conscious to consolidate a strong enough voter base to be a serious prospect. So why would you sink the boat you're on to see if the other one floats. Biden was the INCUMBENT. You all know the answers to these stupid questions you ask. You. Know. Why. And if Bernie was the incumbent and some one tried to challenge his second term run by trying to win the nomination you all would have kicked up hell. Kamala is the nominee because she was VP and Biden dropped out three months before the election. Dems were suppose to campaign, vote, transfer Bidens war chest over and run a campaign for a new candidate in THREE months and think they could win? Yeah. So my point is that Harris winning makes her the INCUMBENT and there won't be a serious primary for another eight years. Which will make 2032 the first primary held in TWELVE. Let's be real though. If Bernie had been primaried, the media would not have treated his competition like they were completely invisible. Bernie would have been expected to defend himself in debates or otherwise have been called a coward. The primary would have been treated completely seriously because the DNC would have wanted to jettison him into the sun on day one. 1 1
CoolNebraskaGuy Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Communion said: Yall are just doing madlibs at this point. You cant convince people right wing candidates are progressive as long as they are right wing. Your job was supposed to get them to be progressive before election day if you think you need progressives' voters. You're failing. I'm a medical student so yes thank you for bringing up how healthcare workers get hosed by the bipartisan system. The cuts only get worse under republicans so idk what your point there is. Let's not even get into my mid six figure student loans. I'm sure trump will be super chill about loan forgiveness and increasing Medicare/medicaid funding What about my obgyn friends who stand to lose their license or even become incarcerated for providing medically appropriate care? Who do you think they're voting for You still haven't addressed everything the average American stands to lose if trump wins. Or what happens to Palestine under a trump admin. Can we get a response to those questions? Edited October 21 by CoolNebraskaGuy 8 1
Lil Mistee Posted October 21 Posted October 21 2 minutes ago, Communion said: Yall are just doing madlibs at this point. You cant convince people right wing candidates are progressive as long as they are right wing. Your job was supposed to get them to be progressive before election day if you think you need progressives' voters. You're failing. I know you're basically an unserious troll but which cabinet tried to privatize the va? Not bidens! Also tweets aren't proof! Sorry! Honestly, idk how you're allowed to post here when you say stuff like "Don't worry guys. I think if she shoots an undocumented immigrant on tv she can win the moderate independents". You kinda give Trump tease in the things you post, blabbering on about nothing and everything at the same time. 2
ClashAndBurn Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Mark Cuban is wreaking about as much sabotage as the Liz Cheney campaigning 1 1
Lightbringer007 Posted October 21 Posted October 21 girls ... BREATHE smoke a joint, eat a snack, touch grass, like cmon now ... 2 3
on the line Posted October 21 Posted October 21 3 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: I know you're basically an unserious troll but which cabinet tried to privatize the va? Not bidens! Also tweets aren't proof! Sorry! Honestly, idk how you're allowed to post here when you say stuff like "Don't worry guys. I think if she shoots an undocumented immigrant on tv she can win the moderate independents". You kinda give Trump tease in the things you post, blabbering on about nothing and everything at the same time. Just sayin', I've never seen Trump's rally/teleprompter writer and Communion in the same place at the same time...... Glad you all are FINALLY seeing the evolution of the far left morphing into the far right. Oh, the travesty. So, long, Communion. 1 2
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