CoolNebraskaGuy Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Imagine being/having friends or loved ones that are women, people of color, or members of the LGBTQIA+, uninsured, on social security, and/or struggling with student loans and voting for Jill Stein. Like how unserious do you have to be? 10 2 1
FameFatale Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Keep posting when you've voted. I love seeing everyone get out and VOTE! 3
noodlelymph Posted October 21 Posted October 21 6 minutes ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said: This is a vote for the president of the United States, not a vote on whether or not the genocide will stop. There is no candidate who will win that is going to stop the atrocities in Gaza and you know that. You're giving the green light to an admin that killed 60 thousand children in a year. Whatever helps you sleep at night. The literal bare minimum is to simply not vote for the woman who committed to continuing this genocide but expecting basic empathy from US (generally white) liberals for the victims of their harm reduction votes both in and out of their borders is useless at this point. 3 3
Blade Posted October 21 Posted October 21 5 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: Quick what's happening RIGHT NOW to Palestinians under a dem admin and why are you giving them the green light to continue that if you believe they're better??? Why aren't you finally seeing that a genocide is the point where you have to make the break with this right wing party? What's useful to Palestinians now is ensuring in the long run that support for Israel is no longer a bipartisan issue!!! Under Biden, an 82 year old self proclaimed Zionist You're allowed to think that our hope that Kamala will be better for Palestine than Biden as something that will not materialize. But strategically, your reasoning makes no sense. You want 4 years of Trump giving Netanyahu the green light to "finish the job" but at least our Dems here at home will be pro-Palestine!!! That sure helps stop genocide. 4 1
noodlelymph Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 57 minutes ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said: Imagine being/having friends or loved ones that are women, people of color, or members of the LGBTQIA+, uninsured, on social security, and/or struggling with student loans and voting for Jill Stein. Like how unserious do you have to be? imagine claiming you care about all the things you said and then saying that to do so you have to support a genocide. Complete hypocrisy Edited October 21 by wehavetostan removed the link 1 6
Lil Mistee Posted October 21 Posted October 21 1 minute ago, noodlelymph said: You're giving the green light to an admin that killed 60 thousand children in a year. Whatever helps you sleep at night. The literal bare minimum is to simply not vote for the woman who committed to continuing this genocide but expecting basic empathy from US (generally white) liberals for the victims of their harm reduction votes both in and out of their borders is useless at this point. I don't get how you people still don't get that half of us are voting for other issues, the idea that the dems can be moved on issues, and to keep trump (he'll kill even more babies yay! So fun!) out of office. why are we STILL having this discussion like girl… it's a circle. 10
wastedpotential Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Just now, noodlelymph said: You're giving the green light to an admin that killed 60 thousand children in a year. Whatever helps you sleep at night. The literal bare minimum is to simply not vote for the woman who committed to continuing this genocide but expecting basic empathy from US (generally white) liberals for the victims of their harm reduction votes both in and out of their borders is useless at this point. Sister, what is the red light option? Even if every single anti-Genocide voter in the US decided to write-in Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz, Trump would still win and that would be that. The numbers don't favor any splitting in the Democratic coalition (which is why Jill Stein is getting as much air time as she is this election, for as little good as it's practically doing), and you aren't going to convince any Republicans to support this nonexistent, hypothetically viable anti-Genocide ticket at this point. 2 1
CoolNebraskaGuy Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 9 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: You're giving the green light to an admin that killed 60 thousand children in a year. Whatever helps you sleep at night. The literal bare minimum is to simply not vote for the woman who committed to continuing this genocide but expecting basic empathy from US (generally white) liberals for the victims of their harm reduction votes both in and out of their borders is useless at this point. I seriously considered not voting for Biden and Harris so it's not like I don't understand where you're coming from. They are monsters and the Democratic party is a disgusting mess of wishy-washy do-nothingness. The alternative leadership for the country is quite literally a bigot and a moron with very real fascist tendencies. I don't want to get too OT but you and I both know Trump's plans for Palestine and its people is no improvement over the current administration. Edited October 21 by CoolNebraskaGuy 5
CoolNebraskaGuy Posted October 21 Posted October 21 51 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: imagine claiming you care about all the things you said and then saying that to do so you have to support a genocide. Complete hypocrisy You're free to vote however you are compelled. For what it's worth though, you're doing a terrible job of getting your message across in any sort of meaningful way 3 1
noodlelymph Posted October 21 Posted October 21 1 minute ago, Lil Mistee said: I don't get how you people still don't get that half of us are voting for other issues, the idea that the dems can be moved on issues, and to keep trump (he'll kill even more babies yay! So fun!) out of office. why are we STILL having this discussion like girl… it's a circle. You all would have voted to continue to the Holocaust if it meant worrying about other "issues." It needs to keep being brought up because it's genuinely sick how little y'all care about this pesky "issue." And the way several users in this thread minimize the genocide warrants the topic perpetually being brought up again. 5 minutes ago, Blade said: Under Biden, an 82 year old self proclaimed Zionist You're allowed to think that our hope that Kamala will be better for Palestine than Biden as something that will not materialize. But strategically, your reasoning makes no sense. You want 4 years of Trump giving Netanyahu the green light to "finish the job" but at least our Dems here at home will be pro-Palestine!!! That sure helps stop genocide. Long term strategy is important here. Trump's support of Israel will receive more scrutiny on the world stage than Biden's and potentially be an impetus for more EU countries to recognize Palestine, impose sanctions on Israel, etc. if Dems lose there's still a chance for the end of a bipartisan unconditional support for Israel. You don't hold leverage to change the party after an election. Again this is clear to folks who genuinely care about this genocide and the loss of Palestinian life but to a lot of you folks it simply doesn't matter enough to make the change now. That's what's so ****** up here. Yall just do not care enough and you SHOULD! 2 9
Vermillion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 If Kamala loses Michigan and loses the election I'll probably just stick to my news posts and snacks as I observe quietly because there's a safe bet this thread will implode. If Kamala loses Michigan and wins the election, many of the same conversations happening now will be more entertaining than dire or existential. Speaking from a place of my privilege when I say that of course, as I desperately needed some relief mentally from the constant apocalypse that is this election. 4
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 29 minutes ago, Sannie said: And you don't care about immigran Let's workshop this one, sis. 1 3
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: why are we STILL having this discussion like girl… it's a circle. I mean, it's the logical conversation that's going to keep happening any time a user punches left. Don't criticize non-voters. Don't criticize 3rd party voters. Don't criticize those demanding more of Harris from the left. This conversation will continually happen as long as any of the above happens. You cannot vote for genocide and demand moral authority. The vast majority of people don't even belittle those who are voting for Harris. It's when yall get brave and have to be reminded of who you're voting for when trying to project onto others. If you want to vote for Harris in spite of these failures because you believe she will be better than Trump for issues that matter to you, that's totally valid. But do so while knowing you're in a compromised position and thus cannot judge anyone else's vote. I don't know why this is so hard to grasp. If you want people to think you're just COMPRISING and voting for Harris as a lesser evil, acknowledge you're thus COMPROMISED and thus have no moral authority to cast any stones or judgments elsewhere. Edited October 21 by Communion 2 2 3
Vermillion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Trump being the acceleration to EU sanctions on Israel with more power than the U.S.? What power? I said I wouldn't bite into this conversation but…you know what, nevermind. I'm going to wait for this hypothetical Trump victory to actually occur before unpacking this.
parvatishallow Posted October 21 Posted October 21 4 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: You all would have voted to continue to the Holocaust if it meant worrying about other "issues." It needs to keep being brought up because it's genuinely sick how little y'all care about this pesky "issue." And the way several users in this thread minimize the genocide warrants the topic perpetually being brought up again. Long term strategy is important here. Trump's support of Israel will receive more scrutiny on the world stage than Biden's and potentially be an impetus for more EU countries to recognize Palestine, impose sanctions on Israel, etc. if Dems lose there's still a chance for the end of a bipartisan unconditional support for Israel. You don't hold leverage to change the party after an election. Again this is clear to folks who genuinely care about this genocide and the loss of Palestinian life but to a lot of you folks it simply doesn't matter enough to make the change now. That's what's so ****** up here. Yall just do not care enough and you SHOULD! This could all be true but it's a moot point if Trump gets unbridled power to pack SCOTUS with MAGA loyalists that will ruin our country beyond repair for the rest of our lives. Dems regaining power to reverse any of that won't even matter over the long term. Kamala is as evil as any other politician is but that doesn't lower the stakes that a second Trump term will present for the rest of our lives 1 1
Blade Posted October 21 Posted October 21 2 minutes ago, Communion said: If you want people to think you're just COMPRISING and voting for Harris as a lesser evil, acknowledge you're thus COMPROMISED and thus have no moral authority to cast any stones or judgments elsewhere. I'll gladly cast a stone at anyone who explicitly says they want Trump to win or prefer a Trump win. 5
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 1 minute ago, Blade said: The way this is basically the data story of the election the last 3 months consolidated into one summary. Something something the Rust Belt something something the American Heartland!!!
Communion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 2 minutes ago, Blade said: I'll gladly cast a stone at anyone who explicitly says they want Trump to win or prefer a Trump win. I mean, sure, but they have to explicitly and verbatim say the words "I want and am working to help Donald Trump win". Not just "I hate Kamala Harris and she deserves to suffer," especially if it's someone whose like...cousin Harris just literally helped to kill. 3 1
superglowy Posted October 21 Posted October 21 7 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: You all would have voted to continue to the Holocaust if it meant worrying about other "issues." It needs to keep being brought up because it's genuinely sick how little y'all care about this pesky "issue." And the way several users in this thread minimize the genocide warrants the topic perpetually being brought up again. Long term strategy is important here. Trump's support of Israel will receive more scrutiny on the world stage than Biden's and potentially be an impetus for more EU countries to recognize Palestine, impose sanctions on Israel, etc. if Dems lose there's still a chance for the end of a bipartisan unconditional support for Israel. You don't hold leverage to change the party after an election. Again this is clear to folks who genuinely care about this genocide and the loss of Palestinian life but to a lot of you folks it simply doesn't matter enough to make the change now. That's what's so ****** up here. Yall just do not care enough and you SHOULD! First of all that Holocaust statement is disgusting and a prime example how it is so hard to have an actual serious discussion about a nuanced and complicated situation. You don't need to make hyperbolic statements to express your point of view. The second paragraph makes me wonder what version of politics you've been watching for the past 10 years. Trumps position or opinion is going to cause the public, voters, congressman, countries to be so flummoxed and scandalised that they immediately enact actions against Israel that they aren't already? Do you genuinely care about your mother's rights? Your sisters rights? You can intellectually dissect this till the cows come home but it will never overthrow basically human psychology that people are gonna protect their own rights and their families rights before citizens of another country. Pack mentality is built into the family nucleus. 2 2
ClashAndBurn Posted October 21 Posted October 21 2 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Trump being the acceleration to EU sanctions on Israel with more power than the U.S.? What power? I said I wouldn't bite into this conversation but…you know what, nevermind. I'm going to wait for this hypothetical Trump victory to actually occur before unpacking this. Well, yes. I expect in any scenario that Europe tries to leverage sanctions on Israel, Trump would rally a bipartisan majority of Congress to begin proceedings to abandon NATO and start threatening the EU with nukes or something. I'd imagine fealty to Israel to be THE red line that Republicans and Democrats can come together on, apart from general warmongering and their shared desire to slaughter Muslims that is. 1
Sannie Posted October 21 Posted October 21 14 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: You all would have voted to continue to the Holocaust if it meant worrying about other "issues." It needs to keep being brought up because it's genuinely sick how little y'all care about this pesky "issue." And the way several users in this thread minimize the genocide warrants the topic perpetually being brought up again. Long term strategy is important here. Trump's support of Israel will receive more scrutiny on the world stage than Biden's and potentially be an impetus for more EU countries to recognize Palestine, impose sanctions on Israel, etc. if Dems lose there's still a chance for the end of a bipartisan unconditional support for Israel. You don't hold leverage to change the party after an election. Again this is clear to folks who genuinely care about this genocide and the loss of Palestinian life but to a lot of you folks it simply doesn't matter enough to make the change now. That's what's so ****** up here. Yall just do not care enough and you SHOULD! You people and your pathetic, bad-faith arguments. Hello, this is literally what we are trying to vote to stop RIGHT NOW in the US. Trump and his cult have promised a holocaust on Trans people and Immigrants and we are trying to stop it from happening. Meanwhile, your votes and support are going to stop NOTHING because you stand for nothing other than "feelings" at the end of the day. 2 1 2
Vermillion Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Why isn't there more passionate criticism here of non-voters more than those voting third party over Gaza? 1 minute ago, Blade said: I'll gladly cast a stone at anyone who explicitly says they want Trump to win or prefer a Trump win. Is Communion saying that outright? Those orgs that are don't necessarily speak for all those third partiers on this issue. Nor does Jill Stein who's managed to convince many Arab-Americans she cares even though I don't think she does and it's all window dressing (and I'm not absolving Kamala either as being any better obviously). 1 1
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