GipJo Posted October 3 Posted October 3 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: This is tea. If she continues with traditional pop she'll continue to have very small openings, and her pop music will have diminishing returns too. I doubt she cares. And she probably wants her early stans either grow with her or get lost. You either join her journey of a pop/jazz hybrid singer or you leave. She doesn't want the stans who still have unrealistic expectations that she will do another GP BOP album and have major success again like TF/TFM. And guess what? She is immune to flopping now, she can flop commercially but can still have songs that smash, like DWAS. This is the normal progression of aging female pop stars, she at least has the talent to survive the de-stan-lization. I love her as a person and her talent and I decided to grow with her anyway, but I see why many of us decided to leave. 2
Kimi Posted October 3 Posted October 3 5 minutes ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said: This is a great convo, and many points are being made. At the end of the day, I hope y'all can still appreciate the work she's doing even if other fanbases are deadset on trying to make you miserable when she's feeding us like it's 2011. I do think the past nearly five years has really dampened the engagement of her core 'LM' fanbase. I wonder if the release of LG7 (if it the single it needs to be) will bring all her wayward fans back into the fold. i mean we are still here, even tho early gaga is peak to me i still like her more recent releases, i like harlequin and im not bashing her, she did what she wanted. i'm just trying to look at her career to understand how could someone like her not debut inside top 10. again not a success stan but she used to have THE fanbase. not feeding those TF-TFM-BTW little monsters, the ones that made her queen of pop, that has consequences and i think we're seeing them now. whether she cares or not, that's a different conversation. 1
Jack! Posted October 3 Posted October 3 1 minute ago, hausofbryan said: Her gradual transition into a jazz bomb artist and Sephora seller When she announces that Harlequin actually was LG7 after all, and completes the transition by starting her long hiatus in October instead of releasing a pop single, her mind!! 1 minute ago, Sheep said: If this was true the Shallow/MR crowd would have vanished in the past 6 years but DWAS is her biggest ballad. There was a 7 year gap between ARTPOP and Chromatica. Gaga is immensely talented and she can take these breaks between her ventures and still come back successfully if she tries hard enough. The pandemic really derailed her career and I think this content bukkake is an earnest attempt to fix that and bring all of her split fanbases back together. I think it's less that she has a niche crowd/market of people who only seek her out for these types of songs (not saying she doesn't at all), but rather they were just accessible enough to GP to become hits. In the same way that ROM and SL (to an extent) were accessible enough to become hits. She can still grab hits as long as the songs are good, whether they be full blown pop or HAC-adjacent. 1
hausofbryan Posted October 3 Posted October 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kimi said: i mean we are still here, even tho early gaga is peak to me i still like her more recent releases, i like harlequin and im not bashing her, she did what she wanted. i'm just trying to look at her career to understand how could someone like her not debut inside top 10. again not a success stan but she used to have THE fanbase. not feeding those TF-TFM-BTW little monsters, the ones that made her queen of pop, that has consequences and i think we're seeing them now. whether she cares or not, that's a different conversation. Yeah, her first three albums remain her best. Even when she returned to dance pop, she didn't deliver the same level of theatrics. MTV VMAs 2020 is an example of that. It just felt messy and disjointed. I'm hoping she proves she still has that prowess in her with LG7. Otherwise.. Yeah. Probably time for me to post less and stop following her as much, and I can say that as a mature person and still wish her the best. Edited October 3 by hausofbryan 1
LewisK Posted October 3 Posted October 3 40 minutes ago, Archetype said: It was the complete lack of passion on her end. We know *as a fact* that she did not want to record an album, any album, at the point in her life. She was very depressed, in pain from Fibro, and sold her IG page to random brands ranging from cookie companies to champagne to watches to supercars, etc. She gave us Haus Labs like there was no tomorrow but couldn't post an at home acoustic performance of her music. Even in her interview with Zane Lowe, you can hear her BSing her way through answers just because she felt like she needed to be there. I don't even need to go into the ways she abandoned the era after ROM, the pre-recorded 911 MV, and contractual obligations to MTV. It was, as a long time fan, the biggest let down I've experienced, and I was there during AP. Chromatica was her worst era by far, even if it was relatively successful. 100%. Actually, I became a stan during ARTPOP. I couldn't care less about floppage, she was INVESTED, creative and passionate about what she was doing. During Chromatica, she couldn't be more over it since the beginning.
hausofbryan Posted October 3 Posted October 3 3 minutes ago, Bad News said: Harlequin up to 70 on Metacritic Now we just need to jump 7% on RT and we're so back
Kimi Posted October 3 Posted October 3 but since i'm being serious for once i really don't understand why harlequin has such mid reviews. i'm not saying it should challenge brat on metacritic but i genuinely think it's a good record that deserves at least asib like response. 1
Sheep Posted October 3 Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, Jack! said: I think it's less that she has a niche crowd/market of people who only seek her out for these types of songs (not saying she doesn't at all), but rather they were just accessible enough to GP to become hits. In the same way that ROM and SL (to an extent) were accessible enough to become hits. She can still grab hits as long as the songs are good, whether they be full blown pop or HAC-adjacent. I think Shallow gp and ROM gp are different groups though, which is what i meant by separate fanbases. We've all been to Gaga shows this decade and seen the weird mix of people that used to not be there 4
GipJo Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Didn't see it posted here but the smash hit ARUTW certified DIAMOND in Poland, Oh Always Slay Us This Way the album track hit that you are
TrymeB Posted October 3 Posted October 3 1 minute ago, Kimi said: but since i'm being serious for once i really don't understand why harlequin has such mid reviews. i'm not saying it should challenge brat on metacritic but i genuinely think it's a good record that deserves at least asib like response. It's the jazzy covers especially GM and GH that bring the score down. 1
Jack! Posted October 3 Posted October 3 I'd love nothing more than LG7 to reach the impeccable level of her first three records, but I kinda no longer chase that longing from her and just enjoy (or don't) her music for what it is. Even as a Stomatica defender, I obviously can understand it not scratching the itch of those first three albums. She seems very passionate though, which is hopefully a good sign something great is coming. Although she was very passionate about ARTPOP and I hated it. This is kind of why I think she wouldn't be doing herself any damage to just start teasing the LG7 single now. Give the fans the boost they need lmao. 1
hausofbryan Posted October 3 Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, Kimi said: but since i'm being serious for once i really don't understand why harlequin has such mid reviews. i'm not saying it should challenge brat on metacritic but i genuinely think it's a good record that deserves at least asib like response. I think in the 70s is fair, 60s was too low. If it can inch to 71-72 I think that's understandable for a covers record.
truthteller Posted October 3 Posted October 3 9 minutes ago, hausofdave said: Harlequin MC: 70 (+1) 9 minutes ago, Bad News said: Harlequin up to 70 on Metacritic Another reason for me to chant "F*** you Todd Philips" one more time Sarah you're safe for another day this time.
Sheep Posted October 3 Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, TrymeB said: It's the jazzy covers especially GM and GH that bring the score down. the way I feel the opposite and That's Entertainment has been on repeat since release and I skip The Joker almost everytime. It's amazing how we can all be drawn to different aspects of her and all still be enormous fans.
GipJo Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Just now, TrymeB said: It's the jazzy covers especially GM and GH that bring the score down. They're just annoying to pop fans, but as jazz covers they're at least decent, the production is also top notch. So I guess many critics nowadays only have ears for pop songs which is sad.
hausofbryan Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Just now, Jack! said: I'd love nothing more than LG7 to reach the impeccable level of her first three records, but I kinda no longer chase that longing from her and just enjoy (or don't) her music for what it is. Even as a Stomatica defender, I obviously can understand it not scratching the itch of those first three albums. She seems very passionate though, which is hopefully a good sign something great is coming. Although she was very passionate about ARTPOP and I hated it. This is kind of why I think she wouldn't be doing herself any damage to just start teasing the LG7 single now. Give the fans the boost they need lmao. I think she should wait for the movie to premiere first officially on Friday, and then move on. Most of us who are hating this mini era (including me ) understand she's come this far with it, might as well just finish strong and then pivot. 1
TrymeB Posted October 3 Posted October 3 If Harlequin had been edited down to a 7-track EP, she'd be in the 80s on MC. It seems a bit self indulgent, not to mention , redundant to include GM, GH or even Smile tbh. 3 1
Namiskine Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Sputnik kinda made some point with their review but this is blaphemy Quote "The Joker" is, objectively, the worst song on the album, but it's so loud and silly that I can't help but bob along -when she repeatedly belts "THE JOKER IS MEEEEEEE!", I believe her. 4
CoolNebraskaGuy Posted October 3 Posted October 3 10 minutes ago, Kimi said: i mean we are still here, even tho early gaga is peak to me i still like her more recent releases, i like harlequin and im not bashing her, she did what she wanted. i'm just trying to look at her career to understand how could someone like her not debut inside top 10. again not a success stan but she used to have THE fanbase. not feeding those TF-TFM-BTW little monsters, the ones that made her queen of pop, that has consequences and i think we're seeing them now. whether she cares or not, that's a different conversation. The horrible numbers for Harlequin are definitely a gut punch. #17 is pitiful. I know they were hoping the movie would give it legs with ease, but obviously we don't live in that timeline I also think there was some very real time disappointment when people discovered this was predominantly a jazz album. That lowered morale in an already depleted fanbase, which could explain the particularly dismal first week. I'm hoping that there are some alarm bells going off for her or her team about building hype for LG7. I think she's really going to have to earn it if she wants a strong era to end on before starting her family. Ultimately, I'm just here for the music, looks, and performances though. I'll always tune in for her at this point
TrymeB Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Was a vocoder used during her Kimmel performance last night or are the OGHs making this up because she sounded pitch perfect? 1
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