charts discussion Billboard Charts (Week of December 7, 2019)

[Green]

35 minutes ago, MusicLoverDude said:

Is there any chance a Juice Wrld song will block Mariah in the upcoming week? His death was very sudden and we saw what happened with XXX 

 

I think Bandit could jump to #1. It will also have more days than SAD! because XXX's death was reported on a Monday afternoon I think

 

And Lucid Dreams will probably return to the top 50 or even higher

[hellocory]

Mariah  

[Armani?]

3 minutes ago, Green said:

 

I think Bandit could jump to #1. It will also have more days than SAD! because XXX's death was reported on a Monday afternoon I think

 

And Lucid Dreams will probably return to the top 50 or even higher

NBA Youngboy possibly possibly going #1

 

it's important to note, a music video for Sad! was also dropped after X died. I dont see Bandit going #1, but it should go top 10 again.

[iHype.]

4 hours ago, Green said:

 

It's like banning Whitney from charting after she died, or banning Gaga or Missy from charting after the Superbowl.

Those are one time things. This is songs recharting every single year for decades straight. It’s not comparable at all.

 

4 hours ago, Green said:

Ariana and Halsey had no problem blocking Mariah last year

 

If Adele, Rihanna or Drake released something, they would have blocked Mariah this year too. Even Roxanne by a new random artist could block her this year too with meme streams so we don't know yet. 

Holiday music gets bigger on Hot 100 every year so this point is also useless. 5 years ago AIWFCIY was struggling to reach top 20, now it’s about to go #1 for multiple weeks. 
 

Not to mention it’s not simply about 1 song going #1. It’s about the whole top 10/20 every single year about to be dominated by the same songs. All it ultimately will do is stop artists from releasing music the last 3 months of the year. Charts are supposed to influence artists to push out music NOT avoid doing it for an entire quarter. 

[By the Water]

I mean, the hot 100 is a popularity chart, no? It makes sense that around Crhistmas people listen to Christmas music and therefore it dominates the chart. The result is more and more artists will start to release Christmas songs. Banning them from charting would be a UK type of mess where they do it just because they don't like how the chart looks.

[B-Luke]

24 minutes ago, Green said:

 

I think Bandit could jump to #1. It will also have more days than SAD! because XXX's death was reported on a Monday afternoon I think

 

And Lucid Dreams will probably return to the top 50 or even higher

Hopefully Bandit goes #1 next week  Robbery and Hear Me Calling possibly going Top 10, I think. 

[1DES]

9 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Those are one time things. This is songs recharting every single year for decades straight. It’s not comparable at all.

 

Holiday music gets bigger on Hot 100 every year so this point is also useless. 5 years ago AIWFCIY was struggling to reach top 20, now it’s about to go #1 for multiple weeks. 
 

Not to mention it’s not simply about 1 song going #1. It’s about the whole top 10/20 every single year about to be dominated by the same songs. All it ultimately will do is stop artists from releasing music the last 3 months of the year. Charts are supposed to influence artists to push out music NOT avoid doing it for an entire quarter. 

This is the dumbest excuse I keep hearing. We have Harry Styles, the Weeknd and Camila releasing new music. The reason why most labels artist try to avoid December releases is because there is limited promotion. Most talk shows go on winter hiatus and there isn't awards shows until the next year, so record labels then have to put out tv specials for artist that will cost them money. Money is the factor for labels if they can make easy money of Christmas songs then they will push there artist to do so. 

[Letters From Adi]

2 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

Final predictions

 

1 Circles       288  (=)

2 Heartless       259  (+30)

3 All I Want For Christmas Is You       255  (+15)

Can Mariah get #2 this week and #1 next week? ?

[simmnfierzig]

6 minutes ago, 1DES said:

This is the dumbest excuse I keep hearing. We have Harry Styles, the Weeknd and Camila releasing new music. The reason why most labels artist try to avoid December releases is because there is limited promotion. Most talk shows go on winter hiatus and there isn't awards shows until the next year, so record labels then have to put out tv specials for artist that will cost them money. Money is the factor for labels if they can make easy money of Christmas songs then they will push there artist to do so. 

+ the Christmas freeze on radio

radio is by far the most important promo that exists. along with streaming playlists

 

awards shows really don't do much anymore

[iHype.]

19 minutes ago, By the Water said:

I mean, the hot 100 is a popularity chart, no? It makes sense that around Crhistmas people listen to Christmas music and therefore it dominates the chart. The result is more and more artists will start to release Christmas songs. Banning them from charting would be a UK type of mess where they do it just because they don't like how the chart looks.

What's the purpose of showing Jingle Bells Rock is a popular song associated with Christmas 70 years later? Everyone is well aware. The Holiday chart as I said, is a better chart to show how Holiday classics hold up each year relative to each other.

 

Anyone who has a hit during Q4 will have a chart run like 1-1-1-1-2-8-29-31-1-1-1-1 simply because of Holiday songs every year. 

Also there is no purpose to look back at December charts from every past year and see the literal same top 10. 

 

New Christmas music never competes at the same level of classic Christmas music (see Taylor's new song even with her starpower). So no, I don't think it will really encourage that many artists to join in and release Holiday music. 

10 minutes ago, 1DES said:

This is the dumbest excuse I keep hearing. We have Harry Styles, the Weeknd and Camila releasing new music. The reason why most labels artist try to avoid December releases is because there is limited promotion. Most talk shows go on winter hiatus and there isn't awards shows until the next year, so record labels then have to put out tv specials for artist that will cost them money. Money is the factor for labels if they can make easy money of Christmas songs then they will push there artist to do so. 

TV promo doesn't help songs anymore regardless it is not 2009. This Q4 is absolutely dead, and there is no notable artists releasing albums. Camila is going to bomb, and Harry isn't that relevant. The Weeknd is basically the only big artist releasing.

 

. People wouldn't want something to appear to be a flop, with points normally enough to go #1/top 10 because theyr'e charting behind 30 Holiday songs. 

[MusicLoverDude]

iHype kind of has a point. 

 

It would be one thing if other Christmas songs from recent years got a chance but that never happens. Kelly Clarkson is as far as we have gotten along with Katy's song last year. 

 

It would be nice if Ariana charted or Britney or Taylor or even Gaga. Something new. 

[MusicLoverDude]

iHype kind of has a point. 

 

It would be one thing if other Christmas songs from recent years got a chance but that never happens. Kelly Clarkson is as far as we have gotten along with Katy's song last year. 

 

It would be nice if Ariana charted or Britney or Taylor or even Gaga. Something new. 

[stevyy]

If people want to get a shoe in the H100 in December... well.. release good music. as simple as that.

[DemDam92]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

If people want to get a shoe in the H100 in December... well.. release good music. as simple as that.

Tea.

Or have at least a loyal and big fan base.

[iHype.]

Also the biggest issue is that these OLD songs, are pushing NEW songs off the Hot 100 as recurrents early in their run. 

 

In 5 years, when half the Hot 100 goes recurrent during December because the Hot 100 looks like this...

 

Then they can't even return to the Hot 100 in January, we have a completely inaccurate Hot 100 with dozens of current hits that should've been charting still no longer charting. Songs that were still popular or even at their peak, suddenly removed from Hot 100 midway through their chart run due to a few weeks of background Holiday music.

[stevyy]

Just now, DemDam92 said:

Tea.

Or have at least a loyal and big fan base.

right. If a 25 y.o. or 50 y.o. song can push you out of the higher regions or block you, there is something wrong with your song... not the system.

 

You cannot have a popularity chart and then restrict that popularity. 

 

I mean one might have to do it for every holiday... 4th of July, Halloween and Valentine's Day. 

 

Why not stop counting streams during the week bc people are working then or during weekends bc that's for families and streams are less than during the week. It's so dumb to impose new restrictions only bc you cannot deal with the outcome. 

 

Christmas is the biggest holiday in the western hemisphere... with around 3 billion people who are celebrating that as part of their culture, heritage and tradition. Of course it will massively affect the charts. 

 

 

[DemDam92]

1 minute ago, iHype. said:

Also the biggest issue is that these OLD songs, are pushing NEW songs off the Hot 100 as recurrents early in their run. 

 

In 5 years, when half the Hot 100 goes recurrent during December because the Hot 100 looks like this...

 

And then they can't even return to the Hot 100 in January. THEN we have a completely inaccurate Hot 100 with dozens of current hits that should've been charting still no longer charting.

Ugh Mariah is going so hard.

[1DES]

12 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

+ the Christmas freeze on radio

radio is by far the most important promo that exists. along with streaming playlists

 

awards shows really don't do much anymore

 

11 minutes ago, iHype. said:

 

TV promo doesn't help songs anymore regardless it is not 2009. This Q4 is absolutely dead, and there is no notable artists releasing albums. Camila is going to bomb, and Harry isn't that relevant. The Weeknd is basically the only big artist releasing.

 

. People wouldn't want something to appear to be a flop, with points normally enough to go #1/top 10 because theyr'e charting behind 30 Holiday songs. 

The issue that y'all have here isn't with the charts it's with the Christmas Freeze, it's still going effect how non-seasonal songs are performing. Removing Holiday songs from charting isn't going to solve it. Having one week were 30 holiday songs to reappear isn't that really justifiable reason.

[By the Water]

2 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Also the biggest issue is that these OLD songs, are pushing NEW songs off the Hot 100 as recurrents early in their run. 

 

In 5 years, when half the Hot 100 goes recurrent during December because the Hot 100 looks like this...

 

Then they can't even return to the Hot 100 in January, we have a completely inaccurate Hot 100 with dozens of current hits that should've been charting still no longer charting.

That's Billboard's own fault for their recurrent rules. The same thing could be said when big artists drop albums and flood the charts with album tracks.

 

As for the fact that every year it's always the same songs that dominate that's only partly true. I don't think that long ago people expected Santa Tell Me to rebound every Christmas. And as annoying as it is, if people are listening to the same songs every year then it seems fair for them to be the ones charting.

[1DES]

16 minutes ago, MusicLoverDude said:

iHype kind of has a point. 

 

It would be one thing if other Christmas songs from recent years got a chance but that never happens. Kelly Clarkson is as far as we have gotten along with Katy's song last year. 

 

It would be nice if Ariana charted or Britney or Taylor or even Gaga. Something new. 

The reason the other songs are big is because of people that grew up listening to them. When I was growing up AIWFCIY wasn't considered a classic but I kept hearing it on the radio. Christmas songs take years to become hits. 

[iHype.]

7 minutes ago, By the Water said:

That's Billboard's own fault for their recurrent rules. The same thing could be said when big artists drop albums and flood the charts with album tracks.

 

As for the fact that every year it's always the same songs that dominate that's only partly true. I don't think that long ago people expected Santa Tell Me to rebound every Christmas. And as annoying as it is, if people are listening to the same songs every year then it seems fair for them to be the ones charting.

An album bomb is current music pushing other current music off the chart. The Holiday flood is 60 year old songs pushing current music off the chart.

 

Songs tied in tradition to a Holiday competing with current music is apple to oranges.

[Mr.Fenty]

16 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Also the biggest issue is that these OLD songs, are pushing NEW songs off the Hot 100 as recurrents early in their run. 

 

In 5 years, when half the Hot 100 goes recurrent during December because the Hot 100 looks like this...

 

Then they can't even return to the Hot 100 in January, we have a completely inaccurate Hot 100 with dozens of current hits that should've been charting still no longer charting. Songs that were still popular or even at their peak, suddenly removed from Hot 100 midway through their chart run due to a few weeks of background Holiday music.

i'd rather see Billboard getting rid of recurrent rules instead of banning old X-Mas music

 

just allow all the music to chart without limitations

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, 1DES said:

How is this bad for labels? Record labels that own Christmas songs they don't have to promote that hard for them. They get extra coin from them. 

The only reason Last Christmas, AIWFCIY and Rockin Around are the biggest seasonal songs is because of millennials and Gen X grew up with those songs. Santa Tell Me, Mistletoe and Underneath the Christmas Tree are going to be the most popular songs in a couple of years. 

Santa Tell Me is the only one that might have staying power. It's only gotten bigger every year since its release, while other more contemporary Christmas songs like Mistletoe have not.

[Armani?]

OMG, it's for like 5 weeks every year. It's not that big of a deal

[Samson]

the recurrent rules shouldn't even be in place

 

 

if a song is charting for 60 or 600 or 6000 weeks then so be it

Edited December 8, 2019 by eaucitronnée