charts discussion Billboard Charts (Week of December 7, 2019)

[UNNAMI]

2 hours ago, slobro said:

Yeah, after Mariah gets her #1, I hope Billboard excludes the Xmas songs from the chart again

I hope that will never happen as well as banning more songs from one album like UK did.

 

 

This chart should be always TOP 100 most popular songs (radio streaming and sales) in that particular week. If top songs is christmas song - let it be.

 

If all top 10 songs are drake's or ed's songs - let it be. Don't ban anything, just let it be top 100 most popular songs.

 

and you can't pretend that christmas songs aren't most popular songs in December.

[marsblyr]

1 hour ago, idkwiam said:

Do they publish numbers?

No but based on HDD weekly numbers, Spotify accounted for less than 30% of the song's streams for many weeks. It's also still charting pretty high on amazon compared to its positions on spotify/AM. She was also declared as the most streamed artist overall on Amazon music in 2019.

Edited December 7, 2019 by marsblyr

[Samson]

25 minutes ago, UNNAMI said:

I hope that will never happen as well as banning more songs from one album like UK did.

 

 

This chart should be always TOP 100 most popular songs (radio streaming and sales) in that particular week. If top songs is christmas song - let it be.

 

If all top 10 songs are drake's or ed's songs - let it be. Don't ban anything, just let it be top 100 most popular songs.

 

and you can't pretend that christmas songs aren't most popular songs in December.

i totally agree

i already don't support recurrent rules as they are because i feel like it goes against the whole idea of representing the 100 most popular songs of the week in america. it only came into existence once soundscan came into play because it accurately showed how consistently songs were selling unlike what was previously demonstrated on the charts, where songs would climb to #1 and then descend rapidly… if consumers were buying songs for weeks then, then the charts should've demonstrated it.

and it's the same deal now, but with streaming; if consumers are streaming songs for months now, then the charts should be demonstrating it. it may make for a more boring chart, but i'd trade in exciting & somewhat inaccurate for boring & accurate.

 

UK charts are a farce now because of all of the silly streaming rules they have. their ACR thing has made their song chart a farce. you could probably make a decent argument that the company running the UK's charts is anti-streaming just by looking at the rules they've been putting on the charts. after 10 weeks of charting with 3 weeks of decline, it gets its streaming points halved??? seriously???

it hasn't even been working properly because the bottom half of the top 100 is always clogged with songs on ACR

Edited December 7, 2019 by eaucitronnée

[slw84]

1 hour ago, UNNAMI said:

I hope that will never happen as well as banning more songs from one album like UK did.

 

 

This chart should be always TOP 100 most popular songs (radio streaming and sales) in that particular week. If top songs is christmas song - let it be.

 

If all top 10 songs are drake's or ed's songs - let it be. Don't ban anything, just let it be top 100 most popular songs.

 

and you can't pretend that christmas songs aren't most popular songs in December.

Their faves Xmas songs are flops and they are hating on all I want for Xmas is #1. Sad!

[unbridled]

Mariah is getting her number one, bookmark me.

 

they hate to see it <3

[Pop Art]

I wonder if there's any way Mimi can get on TTH that last week. I wouldn't put it past her team, they've really been on it this year. 

[45seconds]

Mariah really is about to STOMP with a Christmas song released in the mid 90s 

[Green]

5 hours ago, UNNAMI said:

I hope that will never happen as well as banning more songs from one album like UK did.

 

 

This chart should be always TOP 100 most popular songs (radio streaming and sales) in that particular week. If top songs is christmas song - let it be.

 

If all top 10 songs are drake's or ed's songs - let it be. Don't ban anything, just let it be top 100 most popular songs.

 

and you can't pretend that christmas songs aren't most popular songs in December.

 

This

 

The UK chart is a joke

[ilovemusic432]

Hot 100 dropouts

DROP-OUTS

	Previous	Title		Peak	Weeks
	38	Sucker Jonas Brothers		1	38
	46	Money In The Grave Drake and Rick Ross		7	23
	48	Dancing With A Stranger Sam Smith and Normani		7	45
	66	The Take Tory Lanez and Chris Brown		66	1
	72	Liar Camila Cabello		52	11
	73	Every Little Thing Russell Dickerson		50	12
	77	Lights Up Harry Styles		17	4
	80	I Don't Know About You Chris Lane		39	20
	82	Stuck In A Dream Lil Mosey X Gunna		62	4
	83	Homecoming Queen? Kelsea Ballerini		82	3
	87	Beauty In The Benz Tory Lanez and Snoop Dogg		87	1
	89	Up All Night Khalid		89	1
	90	Heartless Diplo featuring Thomas Wesley and Morgan Wallen		78	3
	92	Tusa Karol G and Nicki Minaj		78	2
	94	Self Control YoungBoy Never Broke Again		50	11
	96	Hot Shower Chance The Rapper featuring MadeinTYO and Dababy		66	7
	99	Hell Right Blake Shelton and Trace Adkins		99	1
	100	Ritmo (bad Boys For Life) Black Eyed Peas X J Balvin		100	1

 

 

Hot 100 video version

 

[brianc33710]

2 hours ago, ilovemusic432 said:

48 Dancing With A Stranger
Sam Smith and Normani   7 45

Will someone please provide me DWAS Hot 100 Chart run?

[jose168]

5 minutes ago, brianc33710 said:

Will someone please provide me DWAS Hot 100 Chart run?

https://acharts.co/song/119352

[iHype.]

11 hours ago, DemDam92 said:

lol at some of you trying to ban Xmas songs from billboard. They are most popular songs during this time and billboard is supposed to show the most popular music from the American Public so what’s the problem?

To be fair, it is kinda stupid to just allow the Christmas songs to hog the entire top 10... every single year... with the same exact songs. 

 

The Holiday 100 serves a better purpose for seeing how old Holiday classics stack up against each other each year. Seeing the same songs go top 10 every single year is insanely boring, and its not even because they regained popularity out of nowhere. They're just the same 10 mandatory songs included on every single Holiday playlist...

 

Normally I would say recurrent rules are unnecessary, but when it's the case of a Holiday music being spammed on every playlist as a Holiday comes, it really is unnecessary to just let it spam up the chart. They're Holiday standards, we get it. It is in a sense unfair to group songs tied synonymously to a Holiday, to normal hits performing well off their own popularity.

 

Having a group of Q4 hits every single year that peak much lower because the same group of spammed Holiday songs blocked them is also insanely annoying, and ultimately is just gonna encourage artists to not release October-December. We're gonna have a dry ass boring 3 months each year with literally no smashes, just like this year. The #1 song barely reaching 300 points for a whole entire quarter each year because everyone is afraid to get blocked by classics.

[DemDam92]

10 minutes ago, iHype. said:

To be fair, it is kinda stupid to just allow the Christmas songs to hog the entire top 10... every single year... with the same exact songs. 

 

The Holiday 100 serves a better purpose for seeing how old Holiday classics stack up against each other each year. Seeing the same songs go top 10 every single year is insanely boring, and its not even because they regained popularity out of nowhere. They're just the same 10 mandatory songs included on every single Holiday playlist...

 

Normally I would say recurrent rules are unnecessary, but when it's the case of a Holiday music being spammed on every playlist as a Holiday comes, it really is unnecessary to just let it spam up the chart. They're Holiday standards, we get it. It is in a sense unfair to group songs tied synonymously to a Holiday, to normal hits performing well off their own popularity. Having a group of Q4 hits every single year that peak much lower because the same group of spammed Holiday songs blocked them is also insanely annoying, and is just gonna encourage artists to not release October-December.

But they are the most popular songs during the Xmas week. So if your favs can’t beat them it’s the way it is. It doesn’t matter if the songs are all same. Every artist is free to record a Xmas song and be part of the competition or leave it the way it is. Plus, last year only 2 or 3 Xmas songs made Top 10 during the final Xmas week.

 

Hot 100 should represent the most popular songs despite the content of the song. All songs should be allowed to chart. 
Otherwise it’s discrimination. 

[iHype.]

4 minutes ago, DemDam92 said:

But they are the most popular songs during the Xmas week. So if your favs can’t beat them it’s the way it is. It doesn’t matter if the songs are all same. Every artist is free to record a Xmas song and be part of the competition or leave it the way it is. Plus, last year only 2 or 3 Xmas songs made Top 10 during the final Xmas week.

 

Hot 100 should represent the most popular songs despite the content of the song. All songs should be allowed to chart. 
Otherwise it’s discrimination. 

They're the most popular songs because they're syndicated everywhere in association to an event. 

 

"Happy Birthday" is the most known song ever, but nobody wants to see it chart on the Hot 100 for 3000 consecutive weeks at #1 simply because everyone has a birthday...

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, iHype. said:

They're the most popular songs because they're syndicated everywhere in association to an event. 

 

"Happy Birthday" is the most known song ever, but nobody wants to see it chart on the Hot 100 for 3000 consecutive weeks at #1 because everyone has a birthday.

Pfff no one is playing Happy Birthday on the radio, streaming it endlessly, or buying the versions on iTunes 

[DemDam92]

2 minutes ago, iHype. said:

They're the most popular songs because they're syndicated everywhere in association to an event. 

 

"Happy Birthday" is the most known song ever, but nobody wants to see it chart on the Hot 100 for 3000 consecutive weeks at #1 because everyone has a birthday.

Everyone is stopping Happy Birthday song after 30sec when the cake arrived so it wouldn’t count anyway. 
 

I try to get the point but no thanks. 
Nobody is forced to play the song with own Spotify account nor listen to the song anywhere.

And Mariah’s Xmas song has even big streams during off holiday season (e.x. August, September) which just shows that there are people who listen to it beyond Xmas time.

Hot 100 = most popular songs. End.

[iHype.]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

Pfff no one is playing Happy Birthday on the radio, streaming it endlessly, or buying the versions on iTunes 

Becuase it's so ingrained in society, everyone sings it themselves.  Even if they were playing it on radio, Spotify, and buying it nobody would still want to see it on the charts every week.

[DemDam92]

3 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Pfff no one is playing Happy Birthday on the radio, streaming it endlessly, or buying the versions on iTunes 

Exactly, Plus the song is horrible. 

[suburbannature]

1 minute ago, iHype. said:

Becuase it's so ingrained in society, everyone sings it themselves.  Even if they were playing it on radio, Spotify, and buying it nobody would still want to see it on the charts every week.

But it wouldn’t be topping the charts for those reasons  

[iHype.]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

But it wouldn’t be topping the charts for those reasons  

It would be the same as these Holiday songs charting. Because people associate the song in synonymity with an event/Holiday. 

 

Just like nobody wanna see God Bless the USA destroy the chart every 4th of July.  I'm all for Mariah getting her 19th #1, but yeah, hopefully they escort them songs right over the Holiday 100 after she snatches it.

[Isaiah]

If mariah gets the final #1 of the 2010s and the first #1 of the 2020s 

[suburbannature]

Just now, iHype. said:

It would be the same as these Holiday songs charting. Because people associate the song in synonymity with an event/Holiday. 

 

Just like nobody wanna see God Bless the USA destroy the chart every 4th of July.  I'm all for Mariah getting her 19th #1, but yeah, hopefully they escort them songs right over the Holiday 100 after she snatches it.

Sis, that makes no sense. It’s not an equivalent. Those songs wouldn’t top the charts because of lack of airplay, streams, purchases.

[Konril]

Make AIWFCIY #1 on TTH for maximum exposure.

[iHype.]

11 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Sis, that makes no sense. It’s not an equivalent. Those songs wouldn’t top the charts because of lack of airplay, streams, purchases.

God Bless the USA actually went top 10 on iTunes last Fourth of July.

 

All it really takes is Alexa/Spotify spamming the song on every BBQ playlist for it to take off and do yearly damage. Again, the point still stands. Seeing it chart every year would be useless... we are well aware its an everlasting song tied to a Holiday.

[jose168]

After mariah gets #1, they should remove holiday songs. The point of the hot 100 is for promotion, if artists arent going to release due to holiday songs clogging the charts is counter productive. @iHype. is right