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Can we stop treating black college students like frauds?

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Adonis



If the FBI’s announcement this week about the college-entrance scheme could be distilled down to a single word, it is that one.

Duh. Of course, higher education in this country is not a meritocracy.

Duh. Of course, wealthy parents who pay for their kids to have the best of everything in life would also find a way to buy them the best education.

Duh. Of course, all those people who have blamed poor brown and black kids for taking the spots of “more deserving” white kids through affirmative action should have been looking closer at who really didn’t earn their seats.

For so long, people of color who have attended elite schools in this country have felt the need to prove that they deserved to be there. They have accepted that no matter their grades or SAT scores, people will look at them as affirmative action recipients and talk about them, sometimes to their faces, as tokens.

 

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AbeHicks

Black/asian millionaires might have paid for their kids to get into one of those schools too. Who knows if the perpetrators were all white

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jinzo

Cool, and let's stop punishing Asian kids for....working harder, I guess?

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LookinIn
2 minutes ago, AbeHicks said:

Black/asian millionaires might have paid for their kids to get into one of those schools too. Who knows if the perpetrators were all white

this tbh 

 

I don't think what the OP says in that quote is what the majority of people think (outside of frats)

LookinIn
 
 

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Adonis
3 minutes ago, AbeHicks said:

Black/asian millionaires might have paid for their kids to get into one of those schools too. Who knows if the perpetrators were all white

Read the article.

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Adonis
2 minutes ago, jinzo said:

Cool, and let's stop punishing Asian kids for....working harder, I guess?

They cheat too. Or do I need to bring up that NYT article about how they scam American Universities so they can get in.

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shookspeare

while it is true that blacks generally receive admission with lower test scores it's funny that people aren't mad about legacy admissions, which is arguably more prevalent and gives even more of an advantage in many cases

 

just do away with the SAT/ACT tbh they are not reliable indicators of intelligence

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Koreku
3 minutes ago, shookspeare said:

 

just do away with the SAT/ACT tbh they are not reliable indicators of intelligence

They really aren’t. Those that can afford the classes and tutors do better. of course those who can afford these resources still have to work their asses off to get a good score but these resources make all the difference. 

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FloridaKilos
Posted (edited)

This is America. Everyone of every race cheats if they have the wealth and power to do it. It’s not shocking. Really, this is what America is. Wake up!

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Bloo
7 minutes ago, shookspeare said:

just do away with the SAT/ACT tbh they are not reliable indicators of intelligence

Points were made. Numerous studies show these tests aren’t effective at gauging college success and yet they are the most crucial metric for ensuring scholarship money. 

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PrinceJawbreaker
25 minutes ago, Adonis said:

They cheat too. Or do I need to bring up that NYT article about how they scam American Universities so they can get in.

Yikes. Asians are the most hardworking when it comes to education, but they’re still the least accepted just below black and hispanics tbh :biblio:

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firecrotch

If you got into a top school without cheating you are one of the  very few of lots of deserving people. If someone thinks they aren't welcome because of what they perceive to be oppression, thats their own problem. College  campuses are the most affirming, liberal thinking places in all of the United States. Especially the top schools. No way are black people getting the message at Yale or Berkley that they dont belong. NEXT!

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Dessy
44 minutes ago, AbeHicks said:

Black/asian millionaires might have paid for their kids to get into one of those schools too. Who knows if the perpetrators were all white

I mean sure but there are astronomically more millionaires and upper-class white folks than black and asian folks. All the while people blame poorer folks for "taking" their spots. 

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Dessy

But yeah, I gotten a few comments and implications about me not belonging in college and it was weird. Like all the time I spent in advance courses in High School and planning for specific college requirements just like everyone else didn't matter because of some backward logic thinking. 

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Speezy
51 minutes ago, shookspeare said:

while it is true that blacks generally receive admission with lower test scores it's funny that people aren't mad about legacy admissions, which is arguably more prevalent and gives even more of an advantage in many cases

 

just do away with the SAT/ACT tbh they are not reliable indicators of intelligence

Tbh Like people who did well on ACTs and SAT at my school don’t even go to college :deadbanana4:

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Adonis
44 minutes ago, PrinceJawbreaker said:

Yikes. Asians are the most hardworking when it comes to education, but they’re still the least accepted just below black and hispanics tbh :biblio:

Asians are not below anyone imo. But they too had a cheating scandal awhile back. Thats the bottom line. People were falsifying grades and scores to get into colleges in the US. They also did the same thing for STEM related jobs in the US. 

 

We dont need hard workers. We need smart workers. 

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Lost In Paradise
1 hour ago, FloridaKilos said:

This is America. Everyone of every race cheats if they have the wealth and power to do it. It’s not shocking. Really, this is what America is. Wake up!

Honestly you're probably mocked for being too sensational or cynical, but this is 100000% the truth. A country built on stealing and opportunism and not much has changed in 243 years.

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Shoto Todoroki
Posted (edited)

Wbk. It’s so funny to see comment regarding this scandal on Yahoo or whatever saying “ what about Affrimative Action?!?!?!?” “ it’s the same thing?!?!? Both should be illegal!?!?” :toofunny3:

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Shoto Todoroki
9 minutes ago, xclusivestylesz said:

So you're accepting the fact that every race cheats in life but it's less of a "crime" if you're black and cheat? I'm not understanding what point you're trying to make here

 

Maybe in bum**** Alabama, at some backwoods college, a black person might be treated differently but I'm not buying it that this is an issue anywhere else. The generalization in this thread topic is toxic. You're creating a problem where there isn't one. Maybe you'll influence some poor sjw who isn't feeling oppressed enough to seek out more ways they can be. :zzz:

If you really think discrimination and racism is only localized in the south than :skull: 

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EriKills
Posted (edited)

It's disgusting how hard it can be for poor people to break the cycle seeing how unfair the playing field can be. Like it's unfair as is when the rich can afford tutors, prep courses, going to an elite private school, can afford going away to a top university rather than community college, don't have to take a year off to work a minimum wage job to save up for college, etc...but then they do sh*t like bribing on TOP of the already numerous privileges like :skull: 

 

and then of course the best education results in a great job so that later down the road they do the same for THEIR children.

 

maybe in addition to affirmative action we need affirmative action for poor people :-*

(tho statistically speaking minorities typically ARE the poorer class :cm: ).

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getback

only in America... :rip: 

thank goodness we don't have this problem in Canada :rip: 

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Dessy
11 minutes ago, xclusivestylesz said:

Ive edited the part of my post you quoted. And I'll leave it at that. Discrimination goes every direction and if certain people(not race, people) keep waking up wondering how they'll be oppressed today then that's their issue. You're no longer a child in college. Maybe you should learn to deal with your source of discrimination instead of only screaming OPPRESSION. The real world isn't fair and the sooner you stop being a lil bitch the better off you'll be.

Honestly, you sound dumb as ****. If your take on this whole thing is "OMG stop yelling OPPRESSION" then you are tragically part of the problem. No one ever wake up looking around for things to be offended by and if you think that's even remotely larger than a very small minority of people then you are lost. Soundbite posts about victimhood and oppression are just that, soundbites. Posts like yours offer no ears to PoC voices telling you what they are trying to tell you, and does NOTHING to advance any narrative except this idea of a non-existent culture. But anyways, continue saying your usual kiki in race-related topics on here cause it's obvious there's a support base for it here among many white ATRLers and the PoC who continue to enable these dumbassery takes and opinions. 

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FloridaKilos
1 hour ago, Lost In Paradise said:

Honestly you're probably mocked for being too sensational or cynical, but this is 100000% the truth. A country built on stealing and opportunism and not much has changed in 243 years.

It’s not being too cynical, it’s the truth. We live in a capitalist country. :rip:  Look at our President(s). Look at the war they’ve unleashed on the rest of the world in the past few decades. But a rich family buying their kid into college: Black, White. Asian, purple....is shocking to folks? A joke 

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infrared
2 hours ago, firecrotch said:

If you got into a top school without cheating you are one of the  very few of lots of deserving people. If someone thinks they aren't welcome because of what they perceive to be oppression, thats their own problem. College  campuses are the most affirming, liberal thinking places in all of the United States. Especially the top schools. No way are black people getting the message at Yale or Berkley that they dont belong. NEXT!

You just sound ignorant sis. 

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